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#72520 - 12/13/06 07:51 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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soooo, did the US finally sign it or not?
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#72594 - 12/14/06 08:58 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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There was a tremndous outcry from the disability community including people from the USA that it needed to be approved so that the all people worldwide would have rights.


So without this you would have no rights as a human being? Or is this something 'special'? lol You knew I had to ask....
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#72613 - 12/15/06 08:40 AM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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People with disabilities aren't human beings?
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#72649 - 12/15/06 04:42 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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lol

Nah, I had rights before I was disabled and becoming disabled didn't nullify ANY of my rights. To specifically spell them out only serves to draw attention to oneself and set up second class citizenship for those who aren't lucky enough to have their rights spelled out.
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#72659 - 12/15/06 05:05 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: TeddysMom
You would be right if they had not in the USA and in most other countries enacted laws that specifically nullify rights many assume everyone has.


I've not seen such laws and would rather fight that individual law rather than making such sweeping new laws. We've got enough laws already.
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#72721 - 12/15/06 09:06 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: Davyd]
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Originally Posted By: Davyd
Originally Posted By: TeddysMom
You would be right if they had not in the USA and in most other countries enacted laws that specifically nullify rights many assume everyone has.


I've not seen such laws and would rather fight that individual law rather than making such sweeping new laws. We've got enough laws already.

I'm interested in the laws that nullify rights. Yes, blacks were subject to discriminating laws, but I think most disabled are fighting general attitude (people assuming everyone can use a handicapped stall if it has grab-bars) rather than specific laws.
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#72724 - 12/15/06 09:14 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: flicka]
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I agree flick. There were some terrible laws passed. Those laws should have been repealed, rather than adding more.

I also think you are correct in that we(the disabled) are fighting more of an attitudinal thing... which the laws won't ever address no matter how many are passed. Well, not unless we start putting camera's in stalls to check on need, but even that will only monitor compliance - not change attitudes.


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#72842 - 12/16/06 01:30 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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1. - already exists
2. - already exists
3. - already exists for the most part, but the law is in place and only needs to be inforced.
4. - jeez...didn't think that was even an issue. No one has suggested that I should be put to death.
5. - seems this is an issue for a human beings considering what happened to ALL people in the Katrina disaster.
6. - already exists
7. - already exists
8. - everyone has the ability to rise up and live the life we choose, no one can force us to stay down
9. - already exists
10.- really? How are we special? Everyone should be free from abuse, the fact is that EVERYONE can be abused.
11.- huh?
12.- huh again
13.- We all have that right already, if you are suggesting that EVERYONE have access to FREE education then I agree.
14.- EVERYONE, not just the disabled need access to the same type of healthcare.
15.- Wow...crips get no respect? Puleeeze. Tell that to the snoop sisters
16.- already exists
17.- <roll eyes> grasping at straws on that one.
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#72847 - 12/16/06 01:49 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabilities [Re: ]
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Vatican refuses to endorse UN charter of disability rights -16/12/06

The Vatican has indicated that, at present, it will not be signing a new, widely-heralded international treaty to protect the rights and dignity of people living with disabilities.

The UN-sanctioned treaty needs to be ratified by individual member states, and Britain is among those who have made an early indication of their intention to do so. As a city-state the Vatican is in a position to take a similar lead, but is being encouraged in its present decision not to do so by anti-abortion hardliners.

The Holy See says that, despite reassurances to the contrary, it is concerned that the treaty's inclusion of a reference to "sexual and reproductive health" could be construed as promoting abortion...


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#72877 - 12/16/06 03:08 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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There are countries (I wish I could state them - but a quick google search came up empty) where people with disabilities are not allowed to choose to have abortions because they are presumed incompetent to make any medical decision on their own behalf.(Not because they a have guardian, but because they have a disability.)


are you talking physical OR mental disability? if someone with down's syndrome wants to have a child then what's the societal obligation to support that decision? what if that person ISN'T competent? simply having the right to reproduce does not absolve one from the responsibility of raising a family.

btw i pretty much feel the same way for ALL people, with or without disabilities. "you breed em, you feed em"...

i know, kind of off topic. hi PD!
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#72881 - 12/16/06 03:10 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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I don't believe you deaf analogy exists. I have seen and heard of court cases where deaf people are involved and every possible accomodation is afforded them.

All much ado about nothing.

Fix and enforce the laws that exist now. No need for "special" treatment.
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#72923 - 12/16/06 04:22 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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Wow...next time I get called for jury duty I will claim deafness as my reason for not being able to serve. Seems like a bonus to me.
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#73070 - 12/16/06 10:23 PM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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Hey Susan,

I appreciate the time you took to post the responses. I'm just not convinced it's the best thing to do. I'm not saying there won't be some benefit... I'm not saying it's a terrible thing and the world as we know it will cease to exist. I think that addressing individual laws by individuals is a better course of action for everyone, not just the disabled.
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#73101 - 12/17/06 11:25 AM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: TeddysMom
The rational behind this is that human rights should be enjoyed by all and that having a disability should not deprive anyone of specific rights because of their disability -

neither should age, race, gender, or religion (or lack thereof) just to name a few other variables.
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#73103 - 12/17/06 11:53 AM Re: Convention on the Rights of Person w/ Disabili [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: TeddysMom
Karen,
There are countries and states where epilepsy is all one needs a diagnosis for to be considered incompetent to make a medical decision. North Carolina is a state where a person with a diagnsis of epilepsy can be declared incompetent by the county clerk.
hang on, are you talking about medical decisions that affect only oneself OR decisions that affect children (actual or potential)? because imho those are two entirely different classes of issues.

i don't think u answered the question i posted earlier about rights vs. responsibilities etc. thanks.


Edited by StarlightAngel (12/17/06 11:54 AM)
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