"The fights, the soaps, the feuds are what kept NM alive and well for 10 years."

Do you agree with this?
Is the what you want NM to be in the future?

Lola if you have regrets aboout the past - how do you think the future can be changed?

TJ, so quantity of posts is more important than quality?
This is a popularity contest?

Merry, I didn't post the person's name I quoted deliberately so that they would not feel it necessary to defend their position.

They have stated this is what they believe was the source of NM's success - how is that trashing them? I am giving people the opportunity to agree with the position stated. I tried to quote and ask 2 questions without swaying the outcome one way or the other.

I am on many message boards where people have diametrically opposite viewpoints - and argue their sides without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why can't this happen more frequently here?

"The fights, the soaps, the feuds are what kept NM alive and well for 10 years."

Do you agree with this?
Is the what you want NM to be in the future?

True democracy. Surely you can appreciate that?

Something changed.

You did post it as my position, it was in quotations, you just lacked the balls to give me credit for the QUOTE.

Dan - you only know who spoke up and felt SAFE speaking up. I got plenty of PMs and emails from people encouraging me to keep on.

others think very little has changed at all.

They won't be back as long as bullying continues.

Where are they now? The board has been scoured. Why aren't they here?

TJ, so quantity of posts is more important than quality?

you stole my signature suggestion. huh? lol

I am on many message boards where people have diametrically opposite viewpoints - and argue their sides without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why can't this happen more frequently here?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I am also preparing for a dental and another doctors apointment requesting an orthopaedic assessment.

Merry, I didn't post the person's name I quoted deliberately so that they would not feel it necessary to defend their position.

They have stated this is what they believe was the source of NM's success - how is that trashing them? I am giving people the opportunity to agree with the position stated. I tried to quote and ask 2 questions without swaying the outcome one way or the other.

I am on many message boards where people have diametrically opposite viewpoints - and argue their sides without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Why can't this happen more frequently here?

Why do some people insist on making Xuxan a scapegoat? I think she's a bit too meddlesome but to blame her for the demise of this board is wrong.

If NM had maintained itself as it used to be, Susans actions and attitudes would have just been a bump in the road.

still, on some of the chats, some still feel entitled to 'cry-baby' in the midst of dis issued talk. theres no hierarchy, no dis above dis, age above age, socio-economic-status (SES) above SES. it's mature conversation. emotional as well as rational conversation. it's not easy. that's why dis chats exist: air-it-out. but take responsibility for your emotions.

in other words, 'how mature old are you?'

"Maintained itself" how, without moderation?

What should have been done instead, in your opinion?

NM has created a safe haven for the very posters that cause the majority of the problems and disruption. I no longer recommend NM to people because of this new bias.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's pretty ironic and comical considering you were one of the main culprits that brought about these newfound changes.

somebody called and complained about paradude again!?

...just like in the chats. idiosyncratic behavior stands out.

somebody called and complained about paradude again!? unless PD's messin behind the scenes, i.e., whatever, NM's problems are dwindling down to a few idiosyncratic freaks. just like in the chats. idiosyncratic behavior stands out.

idiosyncratic was a vague term. people in chat who stand out as being, i'm coming up with a lack of a term. thinking, i can't come up with what i'm trying to define.

absolute dumbass would work. or, stupid, another.

for now, i'll stick with those terms.

i think disagreeing and arguement is healthy.

Hmmm...I musta been sick that day. What did Merry do to bring about these new found changes? Besides of course leveling the playing field around here by letting everyone know what Xuxan was up to behind the scenes.

and even Flix to a lessar extent.(which did disapoint me because she's one of my favs here)

"The fights, the soaps, the feuds are what kept NM alive and well for 10 years."

Do you agree with this?
Is the what you want NM to be in the future?

Now the valley cried with anger,
"Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
And they killed the mountain-people,
So they won their just reward.

Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red.
Turned the stone and looked beneath it...
"Peace on Earth" was all it said.

"The fights, the soaps, the feuds are what kept NM alive and well for 10 years."

Do you agree with this?
Is the what you want NM to be in the future?

now...it's just kind of like a room that someone died in. You lock it up and only go into once in a while to try and feel some old memory.

Except for the fact that the board it literally DEAD!

If things don't pick up here, won't be any future.

This from culprit # 2! I'm not going to argue the merits of this whole transitioning of NM as a result of the sh*t slingin you and your counterparts participated in. Never have I, ( aside from the ocassional wise cracks on the subject) nor will I'll ever begin. You dunderheads ruined this message board, I'm calling all of you out right now. Some of you I actually liked and shared similar views. Paradude, Xuxan, joyt, wabi, Merry, soda, Lola, MrSoul, Shelly, and even Flix to a lessar extent.(which did disapoint me because she's one of my favs here) At least Steve had the foresight and wherewithal to capitalize on the madness and left and built his own even better site. However, you are all culpable and share equal imputation and I'm pretty sure most here would agree with me, they're just not as forthcoming. This board sucks now because of you! I use to learn valuable life experience and debate plolitical ideology with intelligent people and that's all been consumed with nothing more than junior high clicks and high school jibberish. Do you guys actually talk about this sh*t and happenings here around the dinner table and/or company? What's more dissapointing is I know you're all actually really good people. Do us all a favor please and just stop with this perpetual nonsense. I can't remember the last time a newbi actually enthusiastically proclaimed their newfound membership and anticipated participation here on this site. They're gone, just like the dinosaurs.................

It makes me hot when you're rough with me.

filthy, old squag!

i agree w/e 100%. in our defence: it really is difficult not to get caught-up in the nonsense, form cliques and perpetuate this crap.

Jealousy will get you no where.

[quote=sodapop] i agree w/e 100%. in our defence: it really is difficult not to get caught-up in the nonsense, form cliques and perpetuate this crap.

defence noun British spelling of defense . defense |diˈfens; ˈdēˌfens| ( Brit. defence) noun 1 the action of defending from or resisting attack : they relied on missiles for the country's defense | she came to the defense of the eccentric professor. • attempted justification or vindication of something : he spoke in defense of a disciplined approach. • an instance of defending a title or seat in a contest or election : his first title defense against Jones. • military measures or resources for protecting a country : the minister of defense | [as adj. ] defense policy. • a means of protecting something from attack : education is the best defense against tyranny. • ( defenses) fortifications or barriers against attack : coastal defenses. • (in sports) the action or role of defending one's goal against the opposition : we played solid defense. • ( the defense) the players in a team who perform this role. 2 the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused or sued in a lawsuit. 3 one or more defendants in a trial. • (usu. the defense) [treated as sing. or pl. ] the counsel for the defendant in a lawsuit : the defense requested more time to prepare their case. PHRASES defense in depth the practice of arranging defensive lines or fortifications so that they can defend each other, esp. in case of an enemy incursion. ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French defens, from late Latin defensum (neuter), defensa (feminine), past participles of defendere ‘defend.’

Dan and I used to have respectful arguments. I welcomed arguing with him because I had to be sure that I had the proof behind what I stated. I had to research my position to be sure I was clear what I wanted to say. If you checked how I rated Dan long ago I gave him a 5. Something changed. The ad hominem attacks began and never let up.

I beg to differ. This paragraph shows exactly why you wanted one of the rules changed and quoting sources enforced. You felt you would then gain some kind of superiority. You feel we're incapable of forming our own opinions w/out tons of footnotes. This is a message board, not a Masters Thesis. dash

You hit the nail on the head, Dash.

You are both wrong.

Yes, I wanted the rule changed as it made no sense. Even if a newspaper gave you permission to quote according to the rules you could not. Jeff said he didn't mind if you quoted - then why have the rule?

A written rule should be consistent with unwritten policy.

You are both wrong.

I gotta admit I didn't realize Susan was powerful enough to do the things ya'll accuse her of, but... I've been known to be wrong.

stfu..

"The fights, the soaps, the feuds are what kept NM alive and well for 10 years."

Do you agree with this?

Is the what you want NM to be in the future?

LOL!

I for one do not blame Susan. I blame Jeff for taking her serious.

i think disagreeing and arguement is healthy.

Now the valley cried with anger,
"Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
And they killed the mountain-people,
So they won their just reward.

Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red.
Turned the stone and looked beneath it...
"Peace on Earth" was all it said.

And Flicka, stop bragging. I saw that as only an honorable mention.

Honorable mentions can get me hot! They obviously make Rob jealous. (smile...) damned ugly emoticons!

Isn't it obvious to you the changes that have occured here in the last several weeks?

Have you been reading what people have said?

NM is not a happy place now.

I for one will say that I DO blame Susan for changing NM,and I hope she is happy.

Thanks to Steve for giving us an option.

Tell me Dayvd, do you like the new and improved NM?

Did you like the good old place?

Do you miss it?

The fights and attacks around here were just part of the unique atmosphere.

Saint Susan decided we needed to be "sanitized" so she started her sneaky crap.

She is no better than any one of us, and she took it upon herself to change things.

She buddies up to people, and then shits on them.

I will never trust her.