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#168123 - 10/19/09 07:36 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
shakey56
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Loc: where the wild roadrunners roa... 		I don't care what you believe. It is not abt you. I just engage you to expose the completely irrational aspects of your beliefs. You may not be twisting arms, but you are fishing for converts. Any potential converts deserve to see more than just your view.
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#168168 - 10/20/09 05:45 AM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: shakey56]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
I don't care what you believe. It is not abt you. I just engage you to expose the completely irrational aspects of your beliefs. You may not be twisting arms, but you are fishing for converts. Any potential converts deserve to see more than just your view.


You should take time off, shakey.

You look at what you say here.

If it were'nt personal: You believe that he's fishing for converts...................then you would just state your point and be done OR else you'd maybe read it and not comment.

I love to read Paulwa and get much from him. And I like reading others too...it is insane to pound away at him. It IS personal...it seems your mission to stop his ways. They are his own ways. just ignore or read and pass on or comment but why the meanness and the madness...you and cbal-craig showed just what YOU can do to a board for all others...with your insistent heckling of him.

Take the time to fall back on your own reading of your own posts ------you'll see. Or else drinking, smoking pot...etc is just not going to allow that to happen. I'd NEVER take the abuse of the posters here or at PQ again...I've learned. but you guys...some of you...never learn.
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#168219 - 10/20/09 10:14 AM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: ævory]
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Loc: Tennessee 		I think the err in PaulWA's approach is clearly stated in his own words of disgust when Shakey doesn't yeild: "I can't help you."

People who push "help" on others without being asked can be tiresome.
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#168227 - 10/20/09 10:43 AM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: MerryA]
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Loc: United Provinces of America 		Precisely Merry...THAT just about sums this all up perfectly.

It seems rather demeaning to me that one human being would look at another and decide for themselves that that other person needs help, it gets even more demeaning when that person actually insists that they help.

If I ask for help (ie - "Hello, please tell me about the Bible, God and Jesus") then please, feel free to express to me your faith and beliefs. If I don't ask, then keep your help (disguised as opinions) to yourself.

Pretty simple solution if you ask me.
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#168251 - 10/20/09 12:37 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: ævory]
shakey56
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Originally Posted By: shakey56
I don't care what you believe. It is not abt you. I just engage you to expose the completely irrational aspects of your beliefs. You may not be twisting arms, but you are fishing for converts. Any potential converts deserve to see more than just your view.


You should take time off, shakey.

You look at what you say here.

If it were'nt personal: You believe that he's fishing for converts...................then you would just state your point and be done OR else you'd maybe read it and not comment.

I love to read Paulwa and get much from him. And I like reading others too...it is insane to pound away at him. It IS personal...it seems your mission to stop his ways. They are his own ways. just ignore or read and pass on or comment but why the meanness and the madness...you and cbal-craig showed just what YOU can do to a board for all others...with your insistent heckling of him.

Take the time to fall back on your own reading of your own posts ------you'll see. Or else drinking, smoking pot...etc is just not going to allow that to happen. I'd NEVER take the abuse of the posters here or at PQ again...I've learned. but you guys...some of you...never learn.


I read it and did not say a word for years. He was asked nicely to confine it to religious forums and refused. I joined in the request nicely. He refused. Since I find his behavior offensive, I countered with what I knew would offend him, profanity. He whined. I told him all he need do was ask me to stop. He was not man enough to make the request. He selected instead to threaten to leave. I apologized telling him I didn't want him to go. He stayed and even toned it down for abt 3 days. I have nothing against Paul personally. It's the demand by the religious that their beliefs be respected while they refuse to respect others. I only questioned the aspects of his religion disproved by science, and I question his ability to know things mortal man can not know. I never once said the basis of his faith is wrong. On the contrary, I repeatedly said he may very well be right. He, on the other hand, has repeatedly told me I'm going to hell for not seeing things his way. He has also question the Christianity of others for disagreeing with him.

I find his behavior offensive for the same reason Merry stated. This offense is not taken personally, as something he is doing to just upset me.

If I were to go after somebody here for personal reasons, there are others who have taken far more personal shots at me.
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#168260 - 10/20/09 01:19 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: shakey56]
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Loc: Washington 		Shakey the peoplewho read what I have to say are not unthinking idiots as you seem to have stated. They are thinking people and pretty much set in there ways. I am not out there trying to persuade anyone to believe as I do. I do give my viewpoints and yes I do believe there are some christians who are in deep error and are not actually following Jesus Christ. Jesus said Himself that there would be some He would turn away because they never knew Him but were christians in name only. I am not picking on anyone. PD I don't know why you think I am trying to twist your arm to convert you. I can't do that, I have stated that many times. The Holy Spirit isthe only one who can convert anyone. Yes we probably are fishing. Jesus said He will make us fishers of men. We put out the gospel as bait and there will be some who will take a bite and be reeled in by Jesus to believe the gospel. That is Jesus way. As the parable about the sower who went out to sow his seed. Some would fall on stony ground, some would fall on good ground, grow and bring forth fruit. That is the gospel. I just state opinions which tome is fact though probably it is not to you. So just ignore what you don't believe if that is your option. You don't go around whacking everyone you have a conversation with just because you don't believe them..why do that here? I AM ONLY STATING MY BELIEFS if you don't like them ignore them..I have many other things to say that may interest you. I think some of the things I have to say irritate you because you don't truly believe what you hold on to so strongly, but it fits your over view of the picture in your mind and you are afraid to let go, so you blast the source that irritates you.
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#168261 - 10/20/09 01:23 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I think some of the things I have to say irritate you because you don't truly believe what you hold on to so strongly, but it fits your over view of the picture in your mind and you are afraid to let go, so you blast the source that irritates you.


The same can be said about you when you go off on other people's and belief systems.

I am not irritated by your posts anymore Paul, I have taken you advice and ignore most of it when you start posting in to what appears to me "tongues" because I simply don't understand a word you are saying.
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#168275 - 10/20/09 01:48 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
shakey56
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Loc: where the wild roadrunners roa... 		I never said anything abt the intellectual capacity of those who read you. I did say that the potential converts deserve to see what's only revealed when your brand of Christianity is challenged.

What is I hold onto so strongly? I am undecided abt God, but pretty sure religion could mess up any message a God may have for us. I accept science based on the method and proof offered, and I'm open to new info.

Once again it seems you are projecting your feelings onto others. You don't irritate me. You do amuse me.
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#168278 - 10/20/09 01:56 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: ParaDude]
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Loc: Washington 		No PD it just disturbs me when I see people wandering away from my perceived best course...but it is their choice. I am glad you have settled down to a way of looking at what I put out as my views. I don't have any problem with that whatsoever. My view of the truth is in concrete and I am at total peace on those beliefs. It is like the parable where a man finds a pearl of great price and sells all and goes and buys it. The gospel is my pearl and I am totally happy with it for eternity.

Something I would like to just pass on that i saw the other day. On a tv show they were talking about evil disasters such as the sunami that killed so many people and other natural disasters some attribute to God. Defenders of God asked why people thought that if God loved the world He didn't do something to stop these disasters and save people. They said He made the physical laws in creating the universeand the earth and didn't want to break them. That we lived on the earth and had to reap the consequences of living in sometimes dangerous places. There is some truth to all of that but I think more than that, they are focusing on the wrong things. Satan when he brought sin into our hummanity also brought sin on Gods earth andcreation. This has caused many natural disasters because he desires mens souls for himself to prove to God how big he is. Instead I think we shoud focus on trust in God because with this trust, God can save us regardless of the disaster we are in. Focus on god and His love rather than any disaster going on around you. That is the only thing that can keep you safe. If you die you go directly to be with Him. People who die in disasters who don't have that trust in God do not go to be with God. Those who God choose to save may be because He has further work for them to do in their life. Yes I know it is all very subjective but it makes sense to those who trust in God. Just something I felt and wanted to share.
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#168290 - 10/20/09 02:44 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: shakey56]
MerryA
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
It's the demand by the religious that their beliefs be respected while they refuse to respect others.
Most religious folks don't disrespect others. IMO the fringe religious people - the fundamentalists - are the "its my duty to save you" type. I am what most would call religious and while I can be disrespectful, I try not to paint with a wide brush - unless of course we are talking politics!

Edited by MerryA (10/20/09 02:44 PM)
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#168469 - 10/21/09 01:24 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: MerryA]
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Loc: Washington 		No MerryA, Fundamentalist work hard at not being detracted from the words of God and that is why they cling only to the KJV bible as their only bible and they read it as the literalwords of God and believe there is no other book or way to be saved. If other folks don't feel that way then it is up to them to choose their path. Fundamentalists just know that any other path will not lead to God and that hell is at the end of all otherpaths. That is why we cling to the straight and narrow path shown by Jesus. That is what makes us fundamentalists. Not putting other religions down or other beliefs but we stand for our doctrine against them for our protection but without twisting their arms to join us.
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#168476 - 10/21/09 01:51 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
MerryA
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Loc: Tennessee 		So you're "not putting other religions down" but "Fundamentalists just know that any other path will not lead to God and that hell is at the end of all otherpaths."

LOL - so telling me I'm going to hell because I don't believe like you is a compliment?
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#168479 - 10/21/09 02:06 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: MerryA]
Paulwa_dup1
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Loc: Washington 		No we must all choose our paths. I thought you were on the christian path MerryA??
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#168480 - 10/21/09 02:13 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Loc: Washington 		I wasn't too clear on this point, fundamentalists are a part of the christian pathway shown by Jesus. All christians are on the same path but with minor variations..well maybe big variations of doctrine,but they still follow Gods word. For some they believe with their mind but not their heart and put God last in their lives, they might find themselves not being able to enter the gates of the Holy city one day.
Hope that clears up this misunderstanding. Other religions we do feel would not be on the right path to God but that is their choice in life.
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#168532 - 10/21/09 10:06 PM Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Gro [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255 		Paulwa, nearly everyone here respects your faith and some possibly even envy it. The problem is with your constant harping that the pathway you've found for yourself MUST BE FOLLOWED BY ALL OTHERS. You've repeated that sentiment here THOUSANDS of times over the years and it has gotten VERY tiresome.

Many, many times you have shown disrespect for the faith of others by implying that yours is superior to theirs, yet the only evidence you can produce is your subjective experiences and your own interpretations of obscure Bible verses. You don't seem to realize or care that others who have had very different experiences and/or interpret the Bible differently can legitimately come to different conclusions.

As long as you only listen to things that reinforce your opinions and utterly reject and even attack anything that runs counter to them, it is impossible to have rational discussions with you.
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