#47769 - 07/07/06 08:49 AM
Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Consider John 6:28-29 "Then said they to him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
Dissent From Darwin “Goes Global” as Over 600 Scientists From Around the World Express Their Doubts About Darwin’s Theory
During recent decades, new scientific evidence from many scientific disciplines such as cosmology, physics, biology, "artificial intelligence" research, and others have caused scientists to begin questioning Darwinism's central tenet of natural selection and studying the evidence supporting it in greater detail.
Yet public TV programs, educational policy statements, and science textbooks have asserted that Darwin's theory of evolution fully explains the complexity of living things. The public has been assured that all known evidence supports Darwinism and that virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true.
The scientists on this list dispute the first claim and stand as living testimony in contradiction to the second. Since Discovery Institute launched this list in 2001 over 500 scientists have courageously stepped forward to sign their names. The list is growing and includes scientists from the US National Academy of Sciences, Russian, Polish and Czech National Academies, as well as from universities such as Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, UC Berkeley, UCLA, and others.
A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism
"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
The arguments that ultimately unravel the Darwinian synthesis aren't terribly difficult to grasp. Anyone who remembers the rudiments of logic they learned in freshman composition can follow the essentials of the argument. Below are three articles to get started:
Fact Sheet: Microevolution vs. Macroevolution
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The Survival of the Fakest web page
Global dissent (Over) 600 Scientists From Around the World Express Their Doubts About Darwin's "Theory"
EATTLE — Over 600 doctoral scientists from around the world have now signed a statement publicly expressing their skepticism about the contemporary theory of Darwinian evolution. The statement, located online at http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org, reads: “We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”
The fastest growing segment of the list is scientists from outside the United States. International scientists now represent just over 12% of all signers, and as a group has seen nearly 40% growth in the past four months.
“I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, because I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favour of Darwinian dogma,” said Raul Leguizamon, M. D., Pathologist, and a professor of medicine at the Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexico.
“Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all,” added Leguizamon. “Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as Bernard Shaw used to say.”
The list of 610 signatories includes member scientists from National Academies of Science in Russia, Czech Republic, Hungary, India (Hindustan), Nigeria, Poland, Russia and the United States. Many of the signers are professors or researchers at major universities and international research institutions such as Cambridge University, British Museum of Natural History, Moscow State University, Masaryk University in Czech Republic, Hong Kong University, University of Turku in Finland, Autonomous University of Guadalajara in Mexico, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paléontologie Humaine in France, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology in Japan, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, MIT, The Smithsonian and Princeton.
“Dissent from Darwinism has gone global,” said Discovery Institute President Bruce Chapman, former US Ambassador to the United Nations in Vienna. “Darwinists used to claim that virtually every scientist in the world held that Darwinian evolution was true, but we quickly started finding US scientists that disproved that statement. Now we’re finding that there are hundreds, and probably thousands, of scientists all over the world that don’t subscribe to Darwin’s theory.”
Discovery Institute first published its Scientific Dissent From Darwinism list in 2001 to challenge false statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS’s “Evolution” series. At the time it was claimed that “virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true.”
Prominent signatories include U.S. National Academy of Sciences member Philip Skell; American Association for the Advancement of Science Fellow Lyle Jensen; evolutionary biologist and textbook author Stanley Salthe; Smithsonian Institution evolutionary biologist and a researcher at the National Institutes of Health’s National Center for Biotechnology Information Richard von Sternberg; Editor of Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum --the oldest still published biology journal in the world-- Giuseppe Sermonti; and Russian Academy of Natural Sciences embryologist Lev Beloussov.
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a PDF copy of the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism list web page
Remember, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
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#47770 - 07/07/06 09:16 AM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Convenient how these creation "scientists" refute Darwin, claiming a "lack of true scientific evidence" and dismiss it as just "primarily a worldview," yet they swallow the Bible and Christian worldview without question.
Even if Darwin was full of shit, it doesn't make your god any more real.
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#47771 - 07/07/06 09:32 AM
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Wow - 600 scientists worldwide. That's a tremendous number, considering there are at least hundreds of thousands of scientists. Looks like they'll all be rejecting Darwin any day now. (insert extreme irony icon here)
"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of creation science to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for solely Biblical-based creation theory should be encouraged."
I wonder how many scientists world-wide would agree with the above statement? More than 600, I bet.
Edited to add: Lightning, you sound a lot like an old buddy of mine who used to post here. He called himself Truthteller. Any connection?
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#47772 - 07/07/06 09:41 AM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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SteveGIMP
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"I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favour of Christian dogma.”
“Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Christianity at all.”
“Christianity is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview."
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#47773 - 07/07/06 10:13 AM
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StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by SteveGIMP:
Even if Darwin was full of shit, it doesn't make your god any more real.
the article is basically just discovery institute PR.
Dissent From Darwin “Goes Global” as Over 600 Scientists From Around the World Express Their Doubts About Darwin’s Theory
"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
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#47774 - 07/07/06 12:58 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Paulwa_dup1
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Evolution is the biggest false religion there is next to Islam!
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#165245 - 10/04/09 02:39 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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First ape woman suggests human ancestors may have started walking in pursuit of sex
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 4:43 PM on 02nd October 2009
She lived at the dawn of a new era, when chimps and people began walking (or climbing) along their own evolutionary trails. This is Ardi - the oldest member of the human family tree we've found so far.
Short, hairy and with long arms, she roamed the forests of Africa 4.4million years ago.
Her discovery, reported in detail for the first time today, sheds light on a crucial period when we were just leaving the trees. Some scientists said she could provide evidence that our ancestors first started walking upright in the pursuit of sex.
Ardi's skeleton (left) revealed she was 4ft tall and weighed 7st 12oz
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Conventional wisdom says our earliest ancestors first stood up on two legs when they moved out of the forest and into the open savannas. But this does not explain why Ardi's species was bipedal (able to walk on two legs) while still living partly in the trees.
Owen Lovejoy from Kent State University said the answer could be as simple as food and sex.
He pointed out that throughout evolution males have fought with other males for the right to mate with fertile females. Therefore you would expect dominant males with big fierce canines to pass their genes down the generations.
But say a lesser male, with small stubby teeth realised he could entice a fertile female into mating by bringing her some food? Males would be far more successful food-providers if they had their hands free to carry home items like fruit and roots if they walked on two legs.
Mr Lovejoy said this could explain why males from Ardi's species had small canines and stood upright - it was all in the pursuit of sex.
He added that it could also suggest that monogamous relationships may be far older than was first thought.
Ardi - short for Ardipithecus ramidus or 'root of the ground ape' - stood 4ft tall and weighed 110lb.
She lived a million years before the famous Lucy, the previous earliest skeleton of a hominid who was dug up in 1974.
Experts believe Ardi is very, very close to the 'missing link' common ancestor of humans and chimps, thought to have lived five to seven million years ago.
'This is not that common ancestor, but it's the closest we have ever been able to come,' said Dr Tim White, director of the Human Evolution Research Centre at the University of California, Berkeley, who reports the discovery today in Science. The first fossilised and crushed bones of Ardi were found in 1994 in Ethiopia's Afar Rift.
But it has taken an international team of 47 scientists 17 years to piece together, analyse and describe the remains.
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Ardi's skeleton had been trampled and scattered, while the skull was crushed to just two inches in height.
Despite this, Dr David Pilbeam, curator of palaeoanthropology at Harvard's Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology said: 'This is one of the most important discoveries for the study of human evolution.
'It is relatively complete in that it preserves head, hands, feet, and some critical parts in between.'
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Digital representations of Ardi's skull (left) and hand (right)
Researchers have pieced together 125 fragments of bone - including much of her skull, hands, feet, arms, legs and pelvis - which were dated using the volcanic layers of soil above and below the find.
The results were surprising. Previously, scientists believed that our common ancestor would have been very chimp-like, and that ancient hominids such as Ardi would still have much in common with them.
But she was not suited like a modern- day chimp to swinging or hanging from trees or walking on her knuckles.
This suggests that chimps and gorillas developed those characteristics after the split with humans - challenging the idea that they are merely an 'unevolved' version of us.
Analysis of the ape skeleton of Ardi, found in Ethiopia in 1994, reveals humans and chimps evolved separately from a common ancestor
Ardipithecus ramidus
- Volcanic layers around the fossil were used to date it from 4.4million years ago
- Ardi's upper canine teeth are more similar to stubby human teeth than sharp chimpanzee teeth
- Tooth enamel analysis revealed they ate fruit, nuts and leaves
- Ardi's brain was positioned in a similar way to that of humans
- Pelvis and hip show the gluteal muscles were positioned so she could walk upright
Ardi's feet were rigid enough to allow her to walk upright some of the time, but she still had a grasping big toe for use in climbing trees.
And she had long arms but short palms and fingers which were flexible, allowing her to support her body weight on her palms.
Her upper canine teeth are more like the stubby teeth of modern people than the long, sharp ones of chimps. An analysis of her tooth enamel suggests she ate fruit, nuts and leaves.
Scientists believe she was a female because her skull is relatively small and lightly built. Her teeth were also smaller than other members of the same family that were found later.
Alan Walker, of Pennsylvania Sate University, told Science: 'These things were very odd creatures. You know what Tim (White) once said: 'If you wanted to find something that moved like these things you'd have to go to the bar in Star Wars'.'
Since the discovery, scientists have unearthed another 35 members of the Ardipithecus family.
Ardi was found in alongside crumbling fossils of 29 species of birds and 20 species of small mammals - including owls, parrots, shrews, bats and mice.
Lucy, also found in Africa, thrived a million years after Ardi and was of the more human-like genus Australopithecus.
'In Ardipithecus we have an unspecialized form that hasn't evolved very far in the direction of Australopithecus. So when you go from head to toe, you're seeing a mosaic creature that is neither chimpanzee, nor is it human. It is Ardipithecus,' said Dr White.
How Ardipithecus fits into humankind's evolutionary path
He noted that Charles Darwin, whose research in the 19th century paved the way for the science of evolution, was cautious about the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
'Darwin said we have to be really careful. The only way we're really going to know what this last common ancestor looked like is to go and find it. Well, at 4.4 million years ago we found something pretty close to it,' Dr White added.
'And, just like Darwin appreciated, evolution of the ape lineages and the human lineage has been going on independently since the time those lines split, since that last common ancestor we shared.'
Some details about Ardi in the collection of papers:
- Ardi was found in Ethiopia's Afar Rift, where many fossils of ancient plants and animals have been discovered. Findings near the skeleton indicate that at the time it was a wooded environment. Fossils of 29 species of birds and 20 species of small mammals were found at the site.
- Geologist Giday WoldeGabriel of Los Alamos National Laboratory was able to use volcanic layers above and below the fossil to date it to 4.4 million years ago.
- Paleoanthropologist Gen Suwa of the University of Tokyo reported that Ardi's face had a projecting muzzle, giving her an ape-like appearance. But it didn't thrust forward quite as much as the lower faces of modern African apes do.
Some features of her skull, such as the ridge above the eye socket, are quite different from those of chimpanzees.
The details of the bottom of the skull, where nerves and blood vessels enter the brain, indicate that Ardi's brain was positioned in a way similar to modern humans, possibly suggesting that the hominid brain may have been already poised to expand areas involving aspects of visual and spatial perception.
The first signs of Ardi were discovered in Middle Awash, a desert site that would have been much wetter, teeming with animal life and thickly covered with trees 4 million years ago. A graduate student from the University of California at Berkley found two finger bones. Further excavation turned up pieces of pelvis, feet, hands and skull. By the end of three years, scientists realised they'd found a paleontological treasure.
The search continues for the 'last common ancestor' from which both modern humans and modern chimpanzees can trace their ancestry.
Many experts think the common ancestor lived at least 7 million years ago.
Research on Ardi suggests that this ancestor didn't look nearly as much like a modern chimpanzee as had been previously suspected.
This suggests that chimpanzees have themselves evolved significantly.
For more information visit http://www.sciencemag.org
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...l#ixzz0T0AKYGOz
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#165362 - 10/05/09 11:23 AM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Evolution makes more sense than the idea that two physically perfect human specimens were placed on the planet and they being the horny little devils they were managed to populate an entire planet.
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#165373 - 10/05/09 11:36 AM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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The nuns never did tell us how they managed to accomplish that without committing an even greater sin.
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#165462 - 10/05/09 02:13 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Jesus said it best, "Let the dead bury the dead and the blind lead the blind." Evolution believers just place their ancestry to the apes while religion places their ancestry to an intelligent beautiful eternal God. I prefer God to hairy beasty apes. But it is a personal preference and one which cannot be proven to another to any satisfaction.
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#165463 - 10/05/09 02:17 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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Wabisan
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The whole thing was explained in Planet of the Apes.
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#165466 - 10/05/09 02:25 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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:-)
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#165468 - 10/05/09 02:36 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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This article is bsed on great speculation and incorrect info.
No anthropoloigist has been so bold as to say this proves anything. They are still trying to piece together the meanings
of the varios bone structures. The Daily Mail looks like fun read.
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#165519 - 10/05/09 08:05 PM
Re: Skepticism of Darwin's Theory Continues to Grow
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The nuns never did tell us how they managed to accomplish that without committing an even greater sin.
What sin would that be Wabi?
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