#47420 - 07/08/06 01:47 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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your statement
"True we all post to whomever posts in a particular thread, however, we don't assume to demand that we answer for other peoples post. In other words if you have a problem with lighteningcreationscience guy... talk to him not me."
You said I was confused, because I replied to you about a thread you had directed to somebody else, You now admit that many if not all here do reply to threads directed to others.. I did not demand that you answer anyone else's post, I demanded that you answer a question, that was asked by somebody else. I did talk to lighteningcreationscience without any problem. I then talked to you about your replies to statements of others and your replies to statements from me. Now give me an example of my confusion?:
Your statement:
"I'm sure religion does not necessarily have to include any supernatural beliefs."
The meaning of Religion is generally accepted as supernatural beliefs, and without any shadow of a doubt, you were using it in reference to supernatural beliefs. Stop the filthy nonsense
Your statement:
"Again, while we are all free to post whatever on the threads, the idea that I'm supposed to defend or be accountable for someone elses thought is silly"
That's right you are not supposed to do anything. Where demented one, did I attempt to hold you responsible for someone else's thoughts?
Your statement:
"As shown you are attempting to force me into defending someone elses thoughts/beliefs. Ain't gonna happen, shame shame shame."
Shown where, where you shown that you lying.dog? Who's thoughts am I forcing you to defend,, and how am I attempting to do that?
Your statement:
"Apology accepted."
No apology was presented
Your statement:
"Either you deliberately lied about me using italics or you were confused as to who posted italics. I assumed the best of you and figured you were just confused. Should I have assumed you would deliberately lie? "
I do not lie, and making an error is not a sign of confusion.. Errors are to be expected, because of our limitations. And errors become even more likely, when as in my case I am dealing with many posters on many threads
Your statement:
"I never said it was the subject and at one time it was the truth."
You don't have to (say) it was the subject, to pretend it was. When you made the statement,
"Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing"
you purposefully made it appear, but I had mentioned something about punctuation and spelling, knowing full well that I did not. The Christian deviousness continuous. Whether or not there was a time, when all Christians used proper punctuation and spelling is unknown. I am sure the Christian scribes made their share of errors as did non- Christian scribes
Your statement:
"And you've only always pointed out the bad that religion has done, while you are constantly bloating(?) about the wonderful good that "science" has suposedly done."
Don't use me as your excuse. You do not mention only the " good" of religion and the bad of science, because I don't mention the " good" of religion. You do it for: devious religious purposes. My constant presentation of the good science has done, is the necessary result of the constant demeaning of science by religion. I can see no " good", that religion has done. When apparent goodness is done for the specific purpose of promoting evil, it is not good
Your statement:
"Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement."
As I have said many times, good and bad are simply self serving titles humanity has assigned to promote what they like, and try to prevent what they don't like
Your statement:
"What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth"
Nonsense, this reality and the titles in uses of the things within it, are the same for you and everyone else on this earth.. Reality was not created by me or for me, thusly it is not a separate thing for or by me. My ( judgment) of it, had no part in its existence. Again I do not deal with (beliefs). I do not choose ( evidence), it cannot be a personal thing. You are completely dependent on the same reality that has always existed. And you are completely dependent today, on (facts) discovered centuries ago by others, proving that facts are not subject to individual acceptance or rejecting
Your statement:
"Things fly off the earth on a routine basis. Does it not scare you that you might also fly away at some point? How can you be sure that you won't?"
I cannot be sure that I will not fly off the earth, but that possibility isn't even worth considering, when placed beside the endless and more likely dangers of this life
Your statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in the idea that you want to live based on facts and yet there are not enough facts to support your life. Belief has to enter into the picture somewhere in some form. You admit it and then deny that you are a hypocrit to your own beliefs! "
Life is a fact, that is the only fact that life needs. There are enough Facts to keep all creatures and other forms of life going, without the slightest taint of belief. Look at any baby and see the proof, that belief is completely unnecessary. There are enough facts to support my life and all life, in fact facts are the only thing that supports life.. where did I ever say that belief was necessary to me. Evidently your God tells you morons to lie and lie and lie some more Belief absolutely does not have to enter the picture anywhere, trust alone is what is necessary sometimes. Don't try to corrupt trust into belief. Trust is, I think so, I hope so. Belief is, I know so . Where oh where is my hypocrisy. Do You have some twisted definition of hypocrisy, you would like to present
Your statement:
"I was referring to all you that statement. It's delusional at best, paranoid most likely."
What is delusional or paranoid about my following statements?
("To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked")
Don't try to get out of it by saying that it is all delusional or paranoid. Speak to each issue, to show that it is not true. It is clear who lives in a world of delusion , called belief
Your statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true."
Of course it is, but you said it was delusional or paranoid when I said what I say has an effect on you
Your statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true. It's been a long time since I have worked in mental health and it's kinda fun chatting with you at times. You remind me of a patient I once had who seriously believed he could change traffic lights by using the heat from his eyes. The weird part was he drove a truck for a living. They(the police) brought him to the looney bin cause he'd been holed up for three days in his room rigging basketball games by using this same eye heat thing on the basketballs. He was a really nice feller except for that little quirk. We got along fine until I pointed out to him that the game he was currently watching was on a 2 hour tape delay and even the power of this eyes couldn't change the tape. He got really angry and quit talkin to me. lol Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Strange that was posted to me quite a while ago, by the lying soul . So you have worked in mental health also; isn't this all a coincidence. Is the repeated story above an attempt to disassociate your own delusions from yourself onto the character you are describing?
Your statement:
"Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
To me they are boring and aggravating. Yes indeed it is extremely hard to deprogram a believer, but it happens.
Your statement:
"Let's see... science/religion both come to conclusions based a data sets"
Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements
Your statement:
"science/religion both evaluate that data set and come to some sort of 'collective hunch'"
Again religion has no real data. Because it has no data, it has nothing to show in the real world. Science on the other hand far from being a" hunch", displays its results continually all over the earth and in space. You see and use so much of it every day. Very few could survive without science, but thousands survive without any religious belief. That's why religion hates atheists, they are living proof, along with children and all the rest of life, that religious belief is completely unnecessary
Your statement:
"science/religion both have so called "experts" that 90% or more of the population have little to no idea exactly what they are talking about... they simply "trust" the experts"
The so-called" experts" of religion, have no comparison with the experts of science. Try to notice the difference between scientific experts and those so-called religious experts who are versed only in lies. Also try to see the difference between trusting science, and believing you must trust the so-called religious experts
Your statement:
"science/religion both have had some goofs that were later corrected"
Lies are not goofs. Some of the religions lies and ignorant errors have been exposed, and it certainly was not religion that told the public about them.. The honest errors of science were told to the public by the scientists themselves
Your statement:
"So a "true" perversion is not false? Let me get this straight, if you really believe that 2+2= 5 then that's not false because it's not premeditated or arranged for a specific purpose?"
What is called a perversion in human actions, is not false. The actions are driven by emotion etc. not by premeditation. To the ****ed up believer it is true that 2+2= 5 . Try to recognize the difference in stating something false that you believe to be true, and stating something false that you know is not true. The premeditation is when you know it is not true
Your statement:
"So then those with religious beliefs who aren't premeditating or arranging for a specific purpose can be as wrong as the day is long and they aren't false! "
this is the lying soul's continuing bullshit. As I have always said those who really believe the garbage, are obviously not being false. The creators, hierarchy, and proselytizers of religion are the fakes
Your statement:
"Nothing, but I do have an opinion on just about everything!"
So you do not have a corner on any truth, just an opinion? Why is your opinion called Christianity? Does Christianity have a corner on any truth?
Your statement:
"On behalf of my son, thanks for taking this just one page further to getting those new brake drums."
You welcome.
Hi Starlight, sorry to have taken so long to reply
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#47421 - 07/08/06 08:18 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"On behalf of my son, thanks for taking this just one page further to getting those new brake drums."
Your statement:
"You welcome."
I do believe this will result in attaining at least page 4 if not 5!
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#47422 - 07/08/06 08:21 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"Nothing, but I do have an opinion on just about everything!"
Your statement:
"So you do not have a corner on any truth, just an opinion? Why is your opinion called Christianity? Does Christianity have a corner on any truth?"
Yes, I believe I only have an opinion not a corner on any truth. My opinion is called Christian I suppose because that's what other people refer to it as. IF Christianity has a corner on truth it's not readily apparent at this time. Perhaps in the life after this one?
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#47423 - 07/08/06 08:26 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"So then those with religious beliefs who aren't premeditating or arranging for a specific purpose can be as wrong as the day is long and they aren't false! "
Your statement:
"this is the lying soul's continuing bullshit. As I have always said those who really believe the garbage, are obviously not being false. The creators, hierarchy, and proselytizers of religion are the fakes"
Out of all the religions combined, how many creators, hierarchy and proselytizers do you think there are? A percentage would do here.
And that percentage of the religious even tho they believe this "garbage" aren't evil, wicked or devious?
How do you tell the difference between a non-evil religious person and an evil religious person?
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#47424 - 07/08/06 08:38 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"So a "true" perversion is not false? Let me get this straight, if you really believe that 2+2= 5 then that's not false because it's not premeditated or arranged for a specific purpose?"
Your statement:
"What is called a perversion in human actions, is not false. The actions are driven by emotion etc. not by premeditation. To the ****ed up believer it is true that 2+2= 5 . Try to recognize the difference in stating something false that you believe to be true, and stating something false that you know is not true. The premeditation is when you know it is not true"
Naw, I ain't buying it. 2+2=5 is always perverted. Whether it's premeditated or not is not relevant.
Think about it this way, according to you if a feller has sex with a chicken and doesn't know it's perverted then according to you it's perfectly fine. It's only when you know having sex with a chicken is perverted that it's a perversion? That sounds amazingly similar to what the APA said when it changed the DSM criteria for pedophilia when it stated that it was a mental illness ONLY if you felt bad for doing it. It's always perverted, justifing and rationalizing it away is crazy talk.
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#47425 - 07/08/06 08:44 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"science/religion both have had some goofs that were later corrected"
Your statement:
"Lies are not goofs. Some of the religions lies and ignorant errors have been exposed, and it certainly was not religion that told the public about them.. The honest errors of science were told to the public by the scientists themselves"
Yeah, that's the reason the Piltdown Man was almost immediately revealed as a fake? lol How many decades did that one take again? Honest and Piltdown Man don't belong in the same sentence, I believe hoax would be more appropriate.
Both have had their share of goofs, science may move faster than religion but eventually they all are exposed.
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#47426 - 07/08/06 08:46 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"science/religion both have so called "experts" that 90% or more of the population have little to no idea exactly what they are talking about... they simply "trust" the experts"
Your statement:
"The so-called" experts" of religion, have no comparison with the experts of science. Try to notice the difference between scientific experts and those so-called religious experts who are versed only in lies. Also try to see the difference between trusting science, and believing you must trust the so-called religious experts"
Sure they have a comparison, I just did it! I see far more similarities between the two than differences.
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#47427 - 07/08/06 08:47 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd, you're just doing this for the money! :p
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#47428 - 07/08/06 08:50 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"science/religion both evaluate that data set and come to some sort of 'collective hunch'"
Your statement:
"Again religion has no real data. Because it has no data, it has nothing to show in the real world. Science on the other hand far from being a" hunch", displays its results continually all over the earth and in space. You see and use so much of it every day. Very few could survive without science, but thousands survive without any religious belief. That's why religion hates atheists, they are living proof, along with children and all the rest of life, that religious belief is completely unnecessary"
Sure it does. Hypothesis, comparisons, theories, proofs, test/retest... are all contained within religious belief. Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity.
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#47429 - 07/08/06 08:52 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"Let's see... science/religion both come to conclusions based a data sets"
Your statement:
"Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements"
It deals with statements, whether they are false or not is a subjective judgement.
Who are you to decide what is true or false for others?
A false set of statements is still data and can be contained within a set.
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#47430 - 07/08/06 08:56 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Your statement:
"To me they are boring and aggravating. Yes indeed it is extremely hard to deprogram a believer, but it happens. "
That's unfortunate. I find them extremely interesting. It simply amazes me how someone can have an alphabet of A, B, C, D, W, X, Y, Z, 3, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z and still function to great degree! That's what makes me wonder about you. You seem smart and I'm sure you function at a normal level... and yet if you stumble across this one area of hatred you are completely bonkers. lol
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#47431 - 07/08/06 09:01 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true. It's been a long time since I have worked in mental health and it's kinda fun chatting with you at times. You remind me of a patient I once had who seriously believed he could change traffic lights by using the heat from his eyes. The weird part was he drove a truck for a living. They(the police) brought him to the looney bin cause he'd been holed up for three days in his room rigging basketball games by using this same eye heat thing on the basketballs. He was a really nice feller except for that little quirk. We got along fine until I pointed out to him that the game he was currently watching was on a 2 hour tape delay and even the power of this eyes couldn't change the tape. He got really angry and quit talkin to me. lol Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Your statement:
"Strange that was posted to me quite a while ago, by the lying soul . So you have worked in mental health also; isn't this all a coincidence. Is the repeated story above an attempt to disassociate your own delusions from yourself onto the character you are describing?"
REALLY?!? If true that is quite amazing! I have never heard of someone else who had the hot eyeball thingy! I must have missed MrSoul posting about this deal, I'll have to ask him about it.
Yes I have worked in several mental health facilities. It's always a blast, but the pay really sucks. Kinda makes you think no one cares about the mentally ill.
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#47432 - 07/08/06 09:03 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true."
Your statement:
"Of course it is, but you said it was delusional or paranoid when I said what I say has an effect on you"
Yes by golly I did refer to it as delusional or paranoid or possibly both. People who are delusional or paranoid or possibly both do have an effect on me... they make me smile.
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#47433 - 07/08/06 09:08 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"I was referring to all you that statement. It's delusional at best, paranoid most likely."
Your statement:
"What is delusional or paranoid about my following statements?
("To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked")
Don't try to get out of it by saying that it is all delusional or paranoid. Speak to each issue, to show that it is not true. It is clear who lives in a world of delusion , called belief"
It's delusional simply because you are sure it means plenty to me, although you have absolutely no way of knowing what effect it may or may not have. Delusions of Grandeur It's paranoid simply because you seem to have given a lot of thought to my response.
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#47434 - 07/08/06 09:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in the idea that you want to live based on facts and yet there are not enough facts to support your life. Belief has to enter into the picture somewhere in some form. You admit it and then deny that you are a hypocrit to your own beliefs! "
Your statement:
"Life is a fact, that is the only fact that life needs. There are enough Facts to keep all creatures and other forms of life going, without the slightest taint of belief. Look at any baby and see the proof, that belief is completely unnecessary. There are enough facts to support my life and all life, in fact facts are the only thing that supports life.. where did I ever say that belief was necessary to me. Evidently your God tells you morons to lie and lie and lie some more Belief absolutely does not have to enter the picture anywhere, trust alone is what is necessary sometimes. Don't try to corrupt trust into belief. Trust is, I think so, I hope so. Belief is, I know so . Where oh where is my hypocrisy. Do You have some twisted definition of hypocrisy, you would like to present"
If trust is "I think so, I hope so"... then what is the thought and hope based on? Certainly not facts cause then there would be no need of thought or hope.
Belief is based on not knowing... I believe that God is alive and well. That statement is a belief. I trust that God is alive and well is essentially the same statement. My trust is based not on facts but upon belief in something.
Your hypocrisy lies in that while you want to split trust and belief... you essentially have both and deny one. Ever heard the story of the guy who jumped out of a plane while holding a piece of sod to his feet and repeating to himself that he couldn't possibly be falling cause his feet were firmly planted on dirt. Pot-Kettle > Black
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