#47390 - 07/05/06 05:05 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Serendipity
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
Rather than attack Darwin's science, why not attack him as a racist with an agenda to prove that some people (white) were inferior to others (all non-whites), because we have "evolved further"?
Wouldn't that be a lot more fun? :p
My take on the above is that it proves that Darwin went with the flow in terms of Sociological thinking and that that coloured his judgement Scientifically. The whole notion of 'subjetive/objective' was an alien concept. Society treated non whites as second class citizens so Darwin did also. He no doubt held the same type of disregard for women too. 
Back to the fish and evolution vs the bible..Can it not be a mix of both?
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#47391 - 07/05/06 05:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by MerryA: Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
 I thought I was taught way gravity works - magnetic fields and such - opposites attract type stuff within the solar system.
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#47392 - 07/05/06 05:17 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator. 
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#47393 - 07/05/06 05:26 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Serendipity
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Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47394 - 07/05/06 06:12 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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#47395 - 07/05/06 09:50 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by Serendipity: quote:
Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe.
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#47396 - 07/06/06 01:20 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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'I' my remarks are genuine and I have learned it is not my place in life to presume to tell anyone what to do with there lives. I can only share my beliefs and leave the rest up to God Himself and anyone who hears my beliefs. I am only repeating what those in the bible teach including Jesus.
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#47397 - 07/06/06 10:59 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
your statement:
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
"Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God."
Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
(All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap)
"Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie"
Nature made grass.. Science brought us to the moon and further, and gave us televisions, computers etc. Religion does nothing but enslave, cause human conflict and insanity. Being able to explain something is what is important, where or when the explanation originated is of minimum value. What is so cool about the average everyday situation of someone or something knowing what it is going to do, before anyone or anything else does? Why don't you eat the grass?
Your statement:
Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
"as i'm sure even the staunchest atheist has no problem walking around without fear of flying out into space even tho no one knows for sure exactly why gavity works."
That is a senseless reply to Starlight's statement. An atheist would have no fear of flying out into space (as long as nothing went wrong) because of the laws of physics and trust in science, with or without any particular knowledge about gravity. Her statement referred to the fact of how quickly all those who attempt to minimize science and or condemn science as atheistic, will rush to that science rather than their prayers, when they are in dire need. Your reply had no reference to that
Your statement:
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Lies and truth are complete opposites, no similarity can ever be pretended
Paulwa
your statement:
"'I' my remarks are genuine and I have learned it is not my place in life to presume to tell anyone what to do with there lives."
Stop making believe, every time you post you are telling everyone what to believe
Your statement:
"I can only share my beliefs and leave the rest up to God Himself and anyone who hears my beliefs. I am only repeating what those in the bible teach including Jesus"
How many times are you going to" share" your beliefs?. When are you going to, " leave the rest up to God Himself "?
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#47398 - 07/06/06 11:58 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
My statement:
"Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God."
I your statement:
Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".
You must be confused as to the nature of this conversation. Either that or it's a devious evil attempt to control the discussion.
My statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
Your statement:
(All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap)
My statement:
"Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie"
Your statement:
Nature made grass.. Science brought us to the moon and further, and gave us televisions, computers etc. Religion does nothing but enslave, cause human conflict and insanity. Being able to explain something is what is important, where or when the explanation originated is of minimum value. What is so cool about the average everyday situation of someone or something knowing what it is going to do, before anyone or anything else does? Why don't you eat the grass?
God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep.
Television?!? 
My statement:
Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
"as i'm sure even the staunchest atheist has no problem walking around without fear of flying out into space even tho no one knows for sure exactly why gavity works."
Your statement:
That is a senseless reply to Starlight's statement. An atheist would have no fear of flying out into space (as long as nothing went wrong) because of the laws of physics and trust in science, with or without any particular knowledge about gravity. Her statement referred to the fact of how quickly all those who attempt to minimize science and or condemn science as atheistic, will rush to that science rather than their prayers, when they are in dire need. Your reply had no reference to that
My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence.
My statement:
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Your statement:
Lies and truth are complete opposites, no similarity can ever be pretended
Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief.
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#47399 - 07/06/06 02:52 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
your statement:
I your statement:
(Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".)
"You must be confused as to the nature of this conversation. Either that or it's a devious evil attempt to control the discussion."
You admittedly took the following statement of ghoti
" Challenging and questioning existing ideas in science is a very good thing. Every theory is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of science."
And perverted it into this your statement
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
To which I replied
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
And these your words prove that I was correct
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe."
I was talking to lightning(creation scientist) who was constantly bringing up the Bible and creationism which supposedly are the words and actions of a God. Thusly we were talking about the words of a " God" not theological ideas. So when you chimed in with the statement of ghoti's that you perverted, I replied correctly (as below, that we were talking about the words of a " God" not theological ideas
(A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else)
Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?
Your statement:
"God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep"
Which " God made nature"., or did all the" gods" do the same thing over and over again? I wonder what they are all doing now. Strange how the twisted sick mind admits to only the bad of that which it wishes to condemn (science) and only the supposed good of that which it wishes to glorify (the" gods") the twisted mind does the same with material things. The medicines that science creates, are called miracles, the weapons science creates are the only things that science alone is credited for. Be consistent, if you are going to give credit to your " God" for giving humanity's science, than God is just as responsible for the miracle weapons as for the miracle medical cures. But consistency, balance, logic, fairness, and truth; do not exist in the minds of the insane
Your statement:
"My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence."
Your reply was far from an excellent direct reference, instead it was a completely incorrect analogy with no reference to her statement. The atheist does not condemn the science it trusts. The religious condemn the science that they trust, when they take the medicine the operation etc.
Your statement:
""Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth
Your statement:
"Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief."
Another lying perversion of the truth, that is completely false. The" some truth" is the truth, the only truth. Are we back to pretending that their are degrees of truth? In your delusion, what is the part of the truth that is not the truth?
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#47400 - 07/06/06 04:43 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is.
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#47401 - 07/06/06 05:40 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?"
You seem to be confused with the idea that if I post on this thread then it simply must be to you. I posted a general idea to this thread. It really had nothing whatsoever to do with lighteningcreationistscience guy or you. I actually had to go back and see where the words of God were even talked about. You are devious and evil in that you are trying to twist my comments to address something in this thread other than their original intent. That's a bad I, shame on you.
And seeing how we're offering 'proof' of your confusion, deviousness and evil ways where exactly did I use italics????
Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing.
My statement:
"God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep"
Your statement"
Which " God made nature"., or did all the" gods" do the same thing over and over again? I wonder what they are all doing now. Strange how the twisted sick mind admits to only the bad of that which it wishes to condemn (science) and only the supposed good of that which it wishes to glorify (the" gods") the twisted mind does the same with material things. The medicines that science creates, are called miracles, the weapons science creates are the only things that science alone is credited for. Be consistent, if you are going to give credit to your " God" for giving humanity's science, than God is just as responsible for the miracle weapons as for the miracle medical cures. But consistency, balance, logic, fairness, and truth; do not exist in the minds of the insane"
I've not said that science hasn't done good. I've not said that God doesn't often do things we consider bad. If you are simply going to make up things and declare that I believe them so you can make some hate mongering speech then I really don't need to be here do I?
My statement:
"My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence."
Your statement:
Your reply was far from an excellent direct reference, instead it was a completely incorrect analogy with no reference to her statement. The atheist does not condemn the science it trusts. The religious condemn the science that they trust, when they take the medicine the operation etc.
So your BELIEF is that my statement was incorrect, correct? Actually if you only trust that which you can know... then you must be fearful of flying off the face of the earth. You do not trust that which you claim to trust. Hypocrisy? I think so.
My statement:
""Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Your statement:
"Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth"
Oh well... if "YOU" say so... then it must be true? Let me clue you a little here, just cause you say it don't mean squat to me. There are quite a few similarities between the two if you'd open your mind a tad.
My statement:
"Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief."
Your statement:
"Another lying perversion of the truth, that is completely false. The" some truth" is the truth, the only truth. Are we back to pretending that their are degrees of truth? In your delusion, what is the part of the truth that is not the truth?"
rofl So let me ask you... when is a "lying perversion" not false?
Only the most extreme radical fundamentalists believe that they have a corner on "the" truth.
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#47402 - 07/06/06 05:42 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by I:
You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is.
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.
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#47404 - 07/06/06 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by Davyd:
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.  )
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. For some reason the title of this thread had me thinking that it belonged in the sex and relationship forum.
