#47375 - 07/05/06 02:06 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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#47376 - 07/05/06 09:41 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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ghoti
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Challenging and questioning existing ideas in science is a very good thing. Every theory is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of science.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove evolution - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO evolution is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47377 - 07/05/06 11:38 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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I
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lightning(creation scientist)
Your statement:
(Scientists do not have answer to many things as of yet. But they will answer them sooner or later. Unlike religion that has never answered anything. This devious crap game (crap meaning shit) of picking things out one after the other that science hasn't answered yet, is no proof in any way whatsoever that anyone or anything else does know. Your nonexisting " God", does nothing and knows nothing)
"Lets see what Rom 1:20 has to say "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
That is senseless psychopathic babble
Your statement:
(It is your religion that explains nothing)
"'My' religion explains everything. God is all around us, even you! (LUKE 17-21) Membership to my church has tripled in the past two years, more and more people are hearing the word, God’s message has been spreading throughout the world!"
Your religion explains absolutely nothing, it simply makes false statements. You mean," gods" are all around us, one after the other. But of course,"God is all around us, even you!", is just another of the endless false statements. These are trying times people are being purposefully pushed by the Christian administration into becoming more frightened and desperate, they thusly flee to the insanity of religion prompted by the increased power of the Christian controlled media
Your statement:
(Darwin's conclusions were the results of long intense study)
"Well, there are piles and piles of evidence stating otherwise and more and more scientists believe there is a creator! "
Nonsense, where are these piles and piles of evidence? The fact is that more and more evidence proves Darwin to be right. Scientists can be taken in like anybody else, especially if they were taken in as children before they became scientists. Not to mention the sleazy Christians who become scientists to purposefully undermine science and pervert it into religion.
Your statement:
(That's bullshit)
"Let your speech always be gracious… Col 4:6"
You mean like, The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad." Hosea, Chapter 9
9:7
Your statement:
"the bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18)
Linnean classification !"
Be a little more specific, and what about the rest of the list of the ridiculous supposed facts of the Bible
Paulwa
Your statement:
"Evolution as a theory is a dying breed. Hanging itself by its own rope! Just keep watching as evolution believers keep falling from that atheistic vine grown by Lucifer himself to deceive mankind."
More make believe, evolution is stronger today, than it ever was. If you are sick enough to believe in a " Lucifer", you are beyond help. But according to the construct of your world of imagining, your " God" created " Lucifer" and allowed and continues to allow him to manipulate the humanity your " God" supposedly loves so much. Therefore your" God" is doing it, using " Lucifer" as his tool. Your mind is so twisted, that you can at the same time glorify your " God" for giving humanity science, and and at the same time condemned atheist for science.
Your statement:
"Yep it's me..poor ole stupid Paul, but my King, Jesus the son of God will be here soon to explain it all to you. And there will be peace in this old world and happiness for all to learn of their creator. It's going to be a grand millenium when He comes to rule this old world and clean it up of sin, crime and sickness."
Tell your" God" that I am not the slightest bit interested. I have a little secret for you. If your " God" existed, he would have always been in control of the world. So you actually believe he will clean up the terrible mess he has made, but blame everything else but himself for it. Remember that he told you himself, that he created evil
Your statement:
"Well technically believers won't go through all this..the rapture remember? But creep it is only seven years before we return with Him and go to work on this place. It is going to be great!!!"
Believers will go through worse, they will have to spend eternity with that vicious, self loving, trap setting,, creep. So you've got it down to 7 years now? I guess you must think that you will probably not be alive by then, to be embarrassed by his failure to show up
Your statement:
"You are right Gimpy, no man knows the day nor the hour, but Jesus says and commands us to recognize the season of His return. It's there in the bible for anyone to read."
Then why did you say, it would happen in 7 years? Lying or sickness?
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#47378 - 07/05/06 11:56 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Paulwa_dup1
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Hi 'I'! No the seven years statement isn't setting a time because we don't know exactly the day or the hour of the rapture, but it will be seven years after the rapture when we all will come back to this earth with our sleeves rolled up and ready for work.
Yes God has always been in ultimate control of his creation. The sin and results on mankind I personally kind of view as a catalyst to take a level of imperfection up to perfection. Nothing is lost in the equation but there is great gain. All things work together for good for those who love God. Hang in there buddy, You are sharp so that someday somebody may say just the right words to you that will clear it all up for you. But for now we both know exactly what your viewpoint is and would not attempt to change it. It has to come from inside you for it to be of any benefit. And I try not to knowingly lie, think you know this.
Paul
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#47379 - 07/05/06 12:00 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47380 - 07/05/06 12:17 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Hellonwheels
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So if Darwin didn't explain how the archer fish works, then evolution must be wrong? I guess since the Bible doesn't explain "E = MC squared", it's all completely fiction.
This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, even from creationists.
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#47381 - 07/05/06 01:13 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
your statement:
"Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap
Your statement:
"Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator."
Darwin - science, informed you of that , didn't they. Yes isn't nature amazing and wonderful. It even creates many imagined" God's, by first creating humans who imagine their existence. There is just reality, glory is just a desired concept of impotent human beings
Paulwa
your statement:
"Yes God has always been in ultimate control of his creation. The sin and results on mankind"
If he is in ultimate control, nothing else can produce results. Man like everything else in this universe, is not responsible for what it is.. how do you know, that this" God" who will not take responsibility for anything, is not lying to you? How do you know he is not entrapping you, as he did to Adam and Eve?
Your statement:
"I personally kind of view as a catalyst to take a level of imperfection up to perfection"
So his creation of mankind, was an imperfect creation, interesting. And whose fault would that be? All life should suffer,so he can corrected his failure?
Your statement:
"Nothing is lost in the equation but there is great gain"
Nothing??? What about the endless horrible suffering? What about the" lost souls" lovingly put into a burning hell forever
Your statement:
"All things work together for good for those who love God."
Why doesn't " God" love those who do not love him?
Thank you for your very kind remarks, but I cannot be bribed into accepting your statements
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#47382 - 07/05/06 01:22 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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You mean like, The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad." Hosea, Chapter 9
9:7
Ooooo! Very good! I'm so proud of you. See, we are making progress. First you start quoting scripture, and that eventually leads you right back to god. What a glorious day that will be. Now, for your efforts, I give you a great big 'cyber-hug' because god does indeed work in mysterious ways. Like when I quoted the good book and asked you kindly to clean up your language, you did (Mat 26:74 When someone curses, they are betraying Christ, just as Peter did when he cursed and betrayed Christ). Another testament to your renewal. Now, as far as Hosea goes, this passage is referring to the people of Israel, saying that the prophet is a fool and in keeping it in context with other references to fool in the Bible, it is a warning that people (strange how you picked the very passage that I thought of when reading some of your replies) will curse and shout down the biblical message, or the Prophet. I'd love to stay and chat with you, about your budding transformation, but the Church group I belong to has a permit for a July display down at the local public park. Later this week will be holding group prayers at the Library and will enjoy an afternoon of fellowship. We have a hand puppet show that illustrates to the kids how God is in their corner. Should be a great time. Yesterday when daycare let out, we passed out wonderful balloons to the children in the area and talked with them about salvation. I'm going to tell the children that I'm having a discussion with a supposed non believer and he's suddenly quoting scripture. What an impact that will be. So thank you "I", I appreciate your support. Millions of new followers, and growing everyday! Wish me luck!
Friendship of, for Paul Romans 16:3
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#47383 - 07/05/06 02:43 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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I
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lightning(creation scientist)
your statement:
"Ooooo! Very good! I'm so proud of you. See, we are making progress. First you start quoting scripture, and that eventually leads you right back to god."
Then your quoting me, must mean you are heading towards atheism? It Is a confusing world you live in isn't it. It is a terrible thing, that you are so happily doing to those children. Someday it will be recognized as the child abuse it is. Numbers don't mean anything, most of them don't even know what it is they are supposedly believing.. You prefer to deceive those children, rather than explain to them why someone would quote scripture without it having anything to do with agreeing with or accepting it. That is evil. Beware innocent children, evil has its hands on you
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#47384 - 07/05/06 04:20 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Davyd
your statement:
"Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
"A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else"
Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God.
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
Your deviousness:
"All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap"
Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie. :p
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#47385 - 07/05/06 04:24 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
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#47386 - 07/05/06 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
 I thought I was taught way gravity works - magnetic fields and such - opposites attract type stuff within the solar system.
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#47387 - 07/05/06 04:45 PM
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Rather than attack Darwin's science, why not attack him as a racist with an agenda to prove that some people (white) were superior to others (all non-whites), because we have "evolved further"?
Wouldn't that be a lot more fun? :p
PS: edited since apparently, I can't write decently under the influence of pain meds.
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#47389 - 07/05/06 04:52 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Serendipity
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Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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than to do nothing flawlessly.
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. For some reason the title of this thread had me thinking that it belonged in the sex and relationship forum.
