#47360 - 07/04/06 11:31 AM
The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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This unusual fish uses a specialized system to blast insects out of the air. How could this evolve slowly over time when there is no survival advantage without the whole system working perfectly?
by Mario Seiglie
What's so amazing about the archerfish's ability to shoot straight? When light passes between air and water, it is refracted, which causes a distortion. If an archerfish simply aimed at the object where it appeared to be from below the water, it could never hit its target! Yet scientists have found that archerfish are able to strike their target when sighting upwards at angles of 40 degrees!
More amazingly, marine researchers have discovered that these fish can hit their prey whether the amount of refraction is large or small. They have also found that the fishes' binocular vision allows them to see clearly at considerable distances above them, an ability other fish do not have.
An experiment
Here is an experiment. In a clear glass of water, hold a pencil at an angle halfway under the water and look at it from different positions. Notice how the pencil appears different below and above the water. That is the refraction of the light changing from the water to the air.
So how can the archerfish compensate for this distortion and know how to shoot at the right place?
Evolutionists don't know
Evolutionists still don't know how the archerfish got its amazing abilities. They can only wonder! Viewed through the distortion of evolution, they cannot explain how the archerfish gradually learned to not aim where its eyes see but to aim instead at a different spot where the target actually is.
Without its binocular vision, it could not see the object with such precision, and without the special shape of the upper mouth and a specialized tongue, it could not make the groove it needs to shoot the concentrated jet of water. Many factors have to appear together—and be perfectly formed—for this shooting mechanism to work. This, of course, goes totally against Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory, which is based on a gradual, step-by-step process.
Darwin wrote in The Origin of Species, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down" (1859, p. 171).
The archerfish offers precisely such an example, since several complex systems must all appear at the same time, perfectly and not gradually formed—binocular vision, a specialized mouth and tongue, specialized gills to compress and expel water and an aiming system based in the brain and not in the eyes. If any of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not hit the target and no survival advantage is created.
Shooting down Darwin's theory
When you get down to the facts, the archerfish with one squirt of its gills shoots down Charles Darwin's entire theory of evolution—and that by Darwin's own admission!
So evolution doesn't have the answer to this mystery. But the Bible does. Genesis 1:20-21 says that God created all the creatures that live in the water. He created a great variety of perfectly formed fish, including the archerfish with all its special features, such as binocular vision, other specialized organs and a built-in ability to compensate for the distortion of the water.
http://www.verticalthought.org/issues/vt12/evolution.htm
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#47361 - 07/04/06 12:03 PM
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Evolutionists still don't know how the archerfish got its amazing abilities. They can only wonder! Viewed through the distortion of evolution, they cannot explain how the archerfish gradually learned to not aim where its eyes see but to aim instead at a different spot where the target actually is.
Without its binocular vision, it could not see the object with such precision, and without the special shape of the upper mouth and a specialized tongue, it could not make the groove it needs to shoot the concentrated jet of water. Many factors have to appear together—and be perfectly formed—for this shooting mechanism to work. This, of course, goes totally against Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory, which is based on a gradual, step-by-step process.
species - not individual organisms - adapt to fill the environmental niches. it is not a matter of any one fish "learning" to aim or suddenly developing the necessary anatomical features, but rather of specific genes being selected for by generations of environmental conditions. the reason you don't see any intermediate forms of species is because those genetic forms were "selected" out by purely natural processes.
have you ever really read darwin? he actually had it pretty well explained in his discussion of evolutionary specialization in galapagos finches.
then again, some people simply want to bypass the whole process and just say "god did it - period".
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#47362 - 07/04/06 12:22 PM
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more cool stuff about archer fish (from actual scientists this time):
Benchwarming pays off for the archer fish
Christopher R. Brodie
People who throw things for fun or profit—basketball and baseball players, the guy who slings darts at the pub—should respect the archer fish. This species blasts its insect prey out of the sky or off a perch with a quick squirt of water that's accurate up to two meters away (not bad for a fish that averages 25 centimeters in length).
However, these animals start with lousy aim, so they have to acquire the skill over time. What's amazing is that archer fish don't have to rehearse their piscine field goals: They can learn how to hit a fast-moving, flying object by watching another fish do so, according to a paper in the February 21 issue of the journal Current Biology. Imagine a fan who watches a season of hoops on TV, then picks up a basketball and sinks a 40-foot jump shot.
Stefan Schuster and his colleagues at Friedrich-Alexander University of Erlangen-Nuremberg discovered this unusual ability when they set out to study how archer fish hit their prey so accurately. The investigators regularly presented small, stationary targets at various heights to young fish, which became quite good at knocking them down over the course of a year. However, a moving target flummoxed them, even when it was going very slowly (five millimeters per second, or about twice as fast as a speeding snail).
With time and extensive training (hundreds of repetitions), the archer fish got better at hitting targets that moved horizontally at constant speed. This feat requires a tricky bit of neural computation that has to account for several variables: the target speed and direction, the changing angle between observer and target (which determines how much light is bent, or refracted, at the air-water boundary), the time of flight and the effect of gravity. As the fish became proficient, each increase in target height or speed erased most of the previous gains in accuracy until the shooter could adjust its calculations.
Based on this pattern, the investigators were surprised to find that the ballistic solution painstakingly learned and revised for horizontal movements could easily accommodate the addition of a vertical component. For archer fish, it seems, movement in three dimensions isn't any more difficult to follow than movement in two dimensions.
Nonetheless, the German team was unprepared for what happened when they began another round of training with a group of five fish unfamiliar with the moving-target game. This trial must have seemed like a busted experiment at first, as the dominant member of the group hogged all the shots and wouldn't let his subordinates line up for even a single attempt at the target. As expected, the one performing fish had learned its skills just fine by the end of training. But when Schuster's team removed the varsity player, the benchwarmers—fish that had previously failed to hit even the lowest, slowest targets and hadn't taken a single shot during the practice sessions—showed nearly the same ballistic prowess as their former leader.
One possible explanation was that the nondominant fish figured out all the angles simply by watching the target while the alpha trained. But in a control group without a dominant fish (experimenters played the same role by nudging the others out of firing position during the training), the spectators performed just like spectators, with dismal hit rates. In other words, the naive fish had to learn by watching a successful group member, and this observation apparently told them all they needed to know about refraction, target speed, rise time and gravity effects.
Archer fish don't have impressive neural hardware to process all this information; like other fish, they have a primitive cerebrum, so the means of performing these computations must already exist in simple nervous systems. At present, Schuster's team is working to identify the neuroanatomical circuits, but he doesn't expect to find distinctive features. The major goal is to "get [our] hands on how a defined network performs in a cognitive task," he says.
His success could be something of a breakthrough: Computational neuroscientists have spent decades figuring out how animals learn new motor skills, and most of their models use some kind of feedback routine that tries to minimize error with each new repetition—what engineers call a "closed-loop" design. But shots from the archer fish are "open-loop"—they don't involve continuous feedback. "That's what I find most challenging," says Schuster, "the fact that [the task] can be done extremely fast and with remarkable precision without adhering to traditional closed-loop design. We hope very much to convince researchers in robotics that much speed can be saved by implementing predictive (or ballistic) shortcuts in the motor guidance of autonomous robots."
Fish aren't particularly smart, but archer fish do seem to have a fairly sophisticated cognitive ability to generalize from one set of circumstances to another and to make predictions based on that general knowledge. They clearly acquire this skill more efficiently than we humans figure out how to swish a three-point shot or to throw a wicked curveball. Can we learn from the fish? Well, Dr. J is a Pisces. And Adrian Dantley, Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal are too. So I guess the answer is yes.
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#47363 - 07/04/06 12:28 PM
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Sure, I've read Darwin's fictional 'accounts' so-called 'facts' and his pet theories. Miracles too numerous to count. Random this, random that, it explains mothing.
God however, well, that's beautiful and magnificent. God is everywhere. 
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#47364 - 07/04/06 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
Fish aren't particularly smart, but archer fish do seem to have a fairly sophisticated cognitive ability to generalize from one set of circumstances to another and to make predictions based on that general knowledge.
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#47365 - 07/04/06 12:58 PM
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you don't give fish much credit do you?
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#47366 - 07/04/06 01:13 PM
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your statement:
"So evolution doesn't have the answer to this mystery. But the Bible does. Genesis 1:20-21 says that God created all the creatures that live in the water. He created a great variety of perfectly formed fish, including the archerfish with all its special features, such as binocular vision, other specialized organs and a built-in ability to compensate for the distortion of the water. "
Scientists do not have answer to many things as of yet. But they will answer them sooner or later. Unlike religion that has never answered anything. This devious crap game (crap meaning shit) of picking things out one after the other that science hasn't answered yet, is no proof in any way whatsoever that anyone or anything else does know. Your nonexisting " God", does nothing and knows nothing
"2. MISSING GENES: FINDING THE KEY THAT OPENS DARWIN'S BLACK BOX.
" It was a lousy day for intelligent design, which has had a lot of
bad days lately. Even as a missing link showed up on the pages
of Nature, a report in Science from the University of Oregon
showed how a new hormone-receptor pair evolved. An existing
molecule, created for a different role, was recruited to do the
new job. The lead author, Joseph Thornton, believes this may be
common in the evolution of complex systems. Hormone-receptor
pairs would seem to be an example of what intelligent-design guru
Michael Behe calls "irreducible complexity" (ID). One without
the other would be useless. However, Behe scoffed to the NY
Times that Hormone-receptor pairs aren't really ID. Either he's
still a little cranky from the Dover trial, or he just prefers
miracles http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN05/wn102105.html"
Here are some of the answers , that your Bible supposedly knew
(a) the bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
(b) Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
(c) Some creeping insects have four legs. (Lev. 11:22-23);
(d) Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
(e) Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
(f) Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
(g) The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
(h) The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
(i) The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
(j) A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
(k) The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
(l) A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
(m) Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
(n) The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
(o) The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
(p) Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
(q) The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
(r) A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).
Your statement:
"Sure, I've read Darwin's fictional 'accounts' so-called 'facts' and his pet theories. Miracles too numerous to count. Random this, random that, it explains mothing."
It is your religion that explains nothing, it just mouths off its lies and ignorance. Your religion is the enemy of truth and facts. Truth and facts destroy your religion. Darwin's conclusions were the results of long intense study, and you in your criminal pretending that his accounts are fictional, show your absurdity. If you had a trace of honesty or sanity,. You would understand and know that your religion is the fiction. Darwins theory is found to be more and more correct year after year. Your religion has been found to be more and more incorrect year after year. Lets hear about the (random) " gods"
Your statement:
"God however, well, that's beautiful and magnificent. God is everywhere."
That's bullshit
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#47367 - 07/04/06 01:29 PM
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Sure, I've read Darwin's fictional 'accounts' so-called 'facts' and his pet theories. Miracles too numerous to count. Random this, random that, it explains mothing.
suffice to say that without a solid foundation on the evolutionary model, we would have not have the basis for our most recent advances in agricultural and medical research. i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
hi, *I*.  nice to see you again.
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#47368 - 07/04/06 01:36 PM
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Scientists do not have answer to many things as of yet. But they will answer them sooner or later. Unlike religion that has never answered anything. This devious crap game (crap meaning shit) of picking things out one after the other that science hasn't answered yet, is no proof in any way whatsoever that anyone or anything else does know. Your nonexisting " God", does nothing and knows nothing
Lets see what Rom 1:20 has to say "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
It is your religion that explains nothing
'My' religion explains everything. God is all around us, even you! (LUKE 17-21) Membership to my church has tripled in the past two years, more and more people are hearing the word, God’s message has been spreading throughout the world!
Darwin's conclusions were the results of long intense study
Well, there are piles and piles of evidence stating otherwise and more and more scientists believe there is a creator!
That's bullshit
Let your speech always be gracious… Col 4:6
the bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18)
Linnean classification !
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#47369 - 07/04/06 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
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#47370 - 07/04/06 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by lightning(creation scientist): Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
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#47371 - 07/04/06 04:01 PM
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Evolution as a theory is a dying breed. Hanging itself by its own rope! Just keep watching as evolution believers keep falling from that atheistic vine grown by Lucifer himself to deceive mankind.
Yep it's me..poor ole stupid Paul, but my King, Jesus the son of God will be here soon to explain it all to you. And there will be peace in this old world and happiness for all to learn of their creator. It's going to be a grand millenium when He comes to rule this old world and clean it up of sin, crime and sickness. Thank God His day is very near. Weather, earthquakes and sin will nearly do us all in before He does though. Well technically believers won't go through all this..the rapture remember? But then it is only seven years before we return with Him and go to work on this place. It is going to be great!!!
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#47372 - 07/04/06 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Paulwa: Evolution as a theory is a dying breed. Hanging itself by its own rope! Just keep watching as evolution believers keep falling from that atheistic vine grown by Lucifer himself to deceive mankind.
Yep it's me..poor ole stupid Paul, but my King, Jesus the son of God will be here soon to explain it all to you. And there will be peace in this old world and happiness for all to learn of their creator. It's going to be a grand millenium when He comes to rule this old world and clean it up of sin, crime and sickness. Thank God His day is very near. Weather, earthquakes and sin will nearly do us all in before He does though. Well technically believers won't go through all this..the rapture remember? But then it is only seven years before we return with Him and go to work on this place. It is going to be great!!!
Paul
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#47373 - 07/04/06 04:18 PM
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You are right Gimpy, no man knows the day nor the hour, but Jesus says and commands us to recognize the season of His return. It's there in the bible for anyone to read.
By the way the rapture was looked for in the first 100 years after Jesus death on the cross. Darby in 1800's was a very late comer to recognize that the rapture is a fact Jesus preached and was better explained by the Apostle Paul...well gotta go for today guys...wifey is calling.
Paul
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#47375 - 07/05/06 02:06 AM
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#47376 - 07/05/06 09:41 AM
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Challenging and questioning existing ideas in science is a very good thing. Every theory is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of science.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove evolution - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO evolution is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47377 - 07/05/06 11:38 AM
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lightning(creation scientist)
Your statement:
(Scientists do not have answer to many things as of yet. But they will answer them sooner or later. Unlike religion that has never answered anything. This devious crap game (crap meaning shit) of picking things out one after the other that science hasn't answered yet, is no proof in any way whatsoever that anyone or anything else does know. Your nonexisting " God", does nothing and knows nothing)
"Lets see what Rom 1:20 has to say "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
That is senseless psychopathic babble
Your statement:
(It is your religion that explains nothing)
"'My' religion explains everything. God is all around us, even you! (LUKE 17-21) Membership to my church has tripled in the past two years, more and more people are hearing the word, God’s message has been spreading throughout the world!"
Your religion explains absolutely nothing, it simply makes false statements. You mean," gods" are all around us, one after the other. But of course,"God is all around us, even you!", is just another of the endless false statements. These are trying times people are being purposefully pushed by the Christian administration into becoming more frightened and desperate, they thusly flee to the insanity of religion prompted by the increased power of the Christian controlled media
Your statement:
(Darwin's conclusions were the results of long intense study)
"Well, there are piles and piles of evidence stating otherwise and more and more scientists believe there is a creator! "
Nonsense, where are these piles and piles of evidence? The fact is that more and more evidence proves Darwin to be right. Scientists can be taken in like anybody else, especially if they were taken in as children before they became scientists. Not to mention the sleazy Christians who become scientists to purposefully undermine science and pervert it into religion.
Your statement:
(That's bullshit)
"Let your speech always be gracious… Col 4:6"
You mean like, The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad." Hosea, Chapter 9
9:7
Your statement:
"the bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18)
Linnean classification !"
Be a little more specific, and what about the rest of the list of the ridiculous supposed facts of the Bible
Paulwa
Your statement:
"Evolution as a theory is a dying breed. Hanging itself by its own rope! Just keep watching as evolution believers keep falling from that atheistic vine grown by Lucifer himself to deceive mankind."
More make believe, evolution is stronger today, than it ever was. If you are sick enough to believe in a " Lucifer", you are beyond help. But according to the construct of your world of imagining, your " God" created " Lucifer" and allowed and continues to allow him to manipulate the humanity your " God" supposedly loves so much. Therefore your" God" is doing it, using " Lucifer" as his tool. Your mind is so twisted, that you can at the same time glorify your " God" for giving humanity science, and and at the same time condemned atheist for science.
Your statement:
"Yep it's me..poor ole stupid Paul, but my King, Jesus the son of God will be here soon to explain it all to you. And there will be peace in this old world and happiness for all to learn of their creator. It's going to be a grand millenium when He comes to rule this old world and clean it up of sin, crime and sickness."
Tell your" God" that I am not the slightest bit interested. I have a little secret for you. If your " God" existed, he would have always been in control of the world. So you actually believe he will clean up the terrible mess he has made, but blame everything else but himself for it. Remember that he told you himself, that he created evil
Your statement:
"Well technically believers won't go through all this..the rapture remember? But creep it is only seven years before we return with Him and go to work on this place. It is going to be great!!!"
Believers will go through worse, they will have to spend eternity with that vicious, self loving, trap setting,, creep. So you've got it down to 7 years now? I guess you must think that you will probably not be alive by then, to be embarrassed by his failure to show up
Your statement:
"You are right Gimpy, no man knows the day nor the hour, but Jesus says and commands us to recognize the season of His return. It's there in the bible for anyone to read."
Then why did you say, it would happen in 7 years? Lying or sickness?
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#47378 - 07/05/06 11:56 AM
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Hi 'I'! No the seven years statement isn't setting a time because we don't know exactly the day or the hour of the rapture, but it will be seven years after the rapture when we all will come back to this earth with our sleeves rolled up and ready for work.
Yes God has always been in ultimate control of his creation. The sin and results on mankind I personally kind of view as a catalyst to take a level of imperfection up to perfection. Nothing is lost in the equation but there is great gain. All things work together for good for those who love God. Hang in there buddy, You are sharp so that someday somebody may say just the right words to you that will clear it all up for you. But for now we both know exactly what your viewpoint is and would not attempt to change it. It has to come from inside you for it to be of any benefit. And I try not to knowingly lie, think you know this.
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#47379 - 07/05/06 12:00 PM
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Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47380 - 07/05/06 12:17 PM
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So if Darwin didn't explain how the archer fish works, then evolution must be wrong? I guess since the Bible doesn't explain "E = MC squared", it's all completely fiction.
This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard, even from creationists.
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#47381 - 07/05/06 01:13 PM
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your statement:
"Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap
Your statement:
"Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator."
Darwin - science, informed you of that , didn't they. Yes isn't nature amazing and wonderful. It even creates many imagined" God's, by first creating humans who imagine their existence. There is just reality, glory is just a desired concept of impotent human beings
Paulwa
your statement:
"Yes God has always been in ultimate control of his creation. The sin and results on mankind"
If he is in ultimate control, nothing else can produce results. Man like everything else in this universe, is not responsible for what it is.. how do you know, that this" God" who will not take responsibility for anything, is not lying to you? How do you know he is not entrapping you, as he did to Adam and Eve?
Your statement:
"I personally kind of view as a catalyst to take a level of imperfection up to perfection"
So his creation of mankind, was an imperfect creation, interesting. And whose fault would that be? All life should suffer,so he can corrected his failure?
Your statement:
"Nothing is lost in the equation but there is great gain"
Nothing??? What about the endless horrible suffering? What about the" lost souls" lovingly put into a burning hell forever
Your statement:
"All things work together for good for those who love God."
Why doesn't " God" love those who do not love him?
Thank you for your very kind remarks, but I cannot be bribed into accepting your statements
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#47382 - 07/05/06 01:22 PM
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You mean like, The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad." Hosea, Chapter 9
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Ooooo! Very good! I'm so proud of you. See, we are making progress. First you start quoting scripture, and that eventually leads you right back to god. What a glorious day that will be. Now, for your efforts, I give you a great big 'cyber-hug' because god does indeed work in mysterious ways. Like when I quoted the good book and asked you kindly to clean up your language, you did (Mat 26:74 When someone curses, they are betraying Christ, just as Peter did when he cursed and betrayed Christ). Another testament to your renewal. Now, as far as Hosea goes, this passage is referring to the people of Israel, saying that the prophet is a fool and in keeping it in context with other references to fool in the Bible, it is a warning that people (strange how you picked the very passage that I thought of when reading some of your replies) will curse and shout down the biblical message, or the Prophet. I'd love to stay and chat with you, about your budding transformation, but the Church group I belong to has a permit for a July display down at the local public park. Later this week will be holding group prayers at the Library and will enjoy an afternoon of fellowship. We have a hand puppet show that illustrates to the kids how God is in their corner. Should be a great time. Yesterday when daycare let out, we passed out wonderful balloons to the children in the area and talked with them about salvation. I'm going to tell the children that I'm having a discussion with a supposed non believer and he's suddenly quoting scripture. What an impact that will be. So thank you "I", I appreciate your support. Millions of new followers, and growing everyday! Wish me luck!
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#47383 - 07/05/06 02:43 PM
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your statement:
"Ooooo! Very good! I'm so proud of you. See, we are making progress. First you start quoting scripture, and that eventually leads you right back to god."
Then your quoting me, must mean you are heading towards atheism? It Is a confusing world you live in isn't it. It is a terrible thing, that you are so happily doing to those children. Someday it will be recognized as the child abuse it is. Numbers don't mean anything, most of them don't even know what it is they are supposedly believing.. You prefer to deceive those children, rather than explain to them why someone would quote scripture without it having anything to do with agreeing with or accepting it. That is evil. Beware innocent children, evil has its hands on you
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#47384 - 07/05/06 04:20 PM
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your statement:
"Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
"A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else"
Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God.
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
Your deviousness:
"All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap"
Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie. :p
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#47385 - 07/05/06 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
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#47386 - 07/05/06 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
 I thought I was taught way gravity works - magnetic fields and such - opposites attract type stuff within the solar system.
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#47387 - 07/05/06 04:45 PM
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Rather than attack Darwin's science, why not attack him as a racist with an agenda to prove that some people (white) were superior to others (all non-whites), because we have "evolved further"?
Wouldn't that be a lot more fun? :p
PS: edited since apparently, I can't write decently under the influence of pain meds.
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#47389 - 07/05/06 04:52 PM
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Serendipity
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Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47390 - 07/05/06 05:05 PM
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Serendipity
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
Rather than attack Darwin's science, why not attack him as a racist with an agenda to prove that some people (white) were inferior to others (all non-whites), because we have "evolved further"?
Wouldn't that be a lot more fun? :p
My take on the above is that it proves that Darwin went with the flow in terms of Sociological thinking and that that coloured his judgement Scientifically. The whole notion of 'subjetive/objective' was an alien concept. Society treated non whites as second class citizens so Darwin did also. He no doubt held the same type of disregard for women too. 
Back to the fish and evolution vs the bible..Can it not be a mix of both?
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#47391 - 07/05/06 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by MerryA: Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
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#47392 - 07/05/06 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator. 
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#47393 - 07/05/06 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
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#47394 - 07/05/06 06:12 PM
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#47395 - 07/05/06 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by Serendipity: Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by Serendipity: quote:
Originally posted by Davyd:
Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion.
The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge.
Living things are designed to be self-correcting and improve themselves over time to adapt to new conditions. Isn't that an amazing and wonderful thing? IMO life is evidence of the true glory of creation and the subtlety of the mind of the creator.
Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe.
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#47396 - 07/06/06 01:20 AM
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'I' my remarks are genuine and I have learned it is not my place in life to presume to tell anyone what to do with there lives. I can only share my beliefs and leave the rest up to God Himself and anyone who hears my beliefs. I am only repeating what those in the bible teach including Jesus.
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#47397 - 07/06/06 10:59 AM
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Davyd
your statement:
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
"Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God."
Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".
Your statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
(All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap)
"Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie"
Nature made grass.. Science brought us to the moon and further, and gave us televisions, computers etc. Religion does nothing but enslave, cause human conflict and insanity. Being able to explain something is what is important, where or when the explanation originated is of minimum value. What is so cool about the average everyday situation of someone or something knowing what it is going to do, before anyone or anything else does? Why don't you eat the grass?
Your statement:
Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
"as i'm sure even the staunchest atheist has no problem walking around without fear of flying out into space even tho no one knows for sure exactly why gavity works."
That is a senseless reply to Starlight's statement. An atheist would have no fear of flying out into space (as long as nothing went wrong) because of the laws of physics and trust in science, with or without any particular knowledge about gravity. Her statement referred to the fact of how quickly all those who attempt to minimize science and or condemn science as atheistic, will rush to that science rather than their prayers, when they are in dire need. Your reply had no reference to that
Your statement:
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Lies and truth are complete opposites, no similarity can ever be pretended
Paulwa
your statement:
"'I' my remarks are genuine and I have learned it is not my place in life to presume to tell anyone what to do with there lives."
Stop making believe, every time you post you are telling everyone what to believe
Your statement:
"I can only share my beliefs and leave the rest up to God Himself and anyone who hears my beliefs. I am only repeating what those in the bible teach including Jesus"
How many times are you going to" share" your beliefs?. When are you going to, " leave the rest up to God Himself "?
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#47398 - 07/06/06 11:58 AM
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Davyd
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My statement:
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
I your statement:
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
My statement:
"Religion has been challenging and questioning existing ideas long before science was identified as such. It is true tho that when a "new" theological idea hits - it probably did indeed come from God."
I your statement:
Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".
You must be confused as to the nature of this conversation. Either that or it's a devious evil attempt to control the discussion.
My statement:
"The archer fish is an amazing little critter and no one really knows how they developed their ability. That doesn't disprove creation - it just means there's a gap in existing knowledge."
Your statement:
(All creatures are amazing as are all plants, as is everything. Science has already explained many of the wonders of this world, and will in time explain that. The fact that you cannot understand something, is no indication of any intelligent design. You who believe in intelligent design must start off with the fact, that you don't really know how your supposed" God" came into existence, or that is really exist. Figure that out, before you continue with the rest of the crap)
My statement:
"Being able to explain something that someone else does... isn't nearly as cool as being able to do it loooooooooong before anyone even thought about it. God made grass, science made a Twinkie"
Your statement:
Nature made grass.. Science brought us to the moon and further, and gave us televisions, computers etc. Religion does nothing but enslave, cause human conflict and insanity. Being able to explain something is what is important, where or when the explanation originated is of minimum value. What is so cool about the average everyday situation of someone or something knowing what it is going to do, before anyone or anything else does? Why don't you eat the grass?
God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep.
Television?!?
My statement:
Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
i am sure even the staunchest creationist has no problem accepting evolution when he/she needs a new antibiotic.
"as i'm sure even the staunchest atheist has no problem walking around without fear of flying out into space even tho no one knows for sure exactly why gavity works."
Your statement:
That is a senseless reply to Starlight's statement. An atheist would have no fear of flying out into space (as long as nothing went wrong) because of the laws of physics and trust in science, with or without any particular knowledge about gravity. Her statement referred to the fact of how quickly all those who attempt to minimize science and or condemn science as atheistic, will rush to that science rather than their prayers, when they are in dire need. Your reply had no reference to that
My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence.
My statement:
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Your statement:
Lies and truth are complete opposites, no similarity can ever be pretended
Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief.
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#47399 - 07/06/06 02:52 PM
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your statement:
I your statement:
(Again, we were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God".)
"You must be confused as to the nature of this conversation. Either that or it's a devious evil attempt to control the discussion."
You admittedly took the following statement of ghoti
" Challenging and questioning existing ideas in science is a very good thing. Every theory is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of science."
And perverted it into this your statement
""Challenging and questioning existing ideas in religion is a very good thing. Every theological idea is constantly examined and refined when new information comes to light and sometimes they are dramatically changed or even completely replaced by new ones. That's one of the greatest strengths of religion."
To which I replied
("A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else")
And these your words prove that I was correct
"Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe."
I was talking to lightning(creation scientist) who was constantly bringing up the Bible and creationism which supposedly are the words and actions of a God. Thusly we were talking about the words of a " God" not theological ideas. So when you chimed in with the statement of ghoti's that you perverted, I replied correctly (as below, that we were talking about the words of a " God" not theological ideas
(A devious attempt to pretend that religion works the way science does. We were not talking about theological ideas, we were talking about the supposed words of a" God". There is no need to refine the words of a" God". Any (new) information about his words, would come from that" God", nowhere else)
Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?
Your statement:
"God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep"
Which " God made nature"., or did all the" gods" do the same thing over and over again? I wonder what they are all doing now. Strange how the twisted sick mind admits to only the bad of that which it wishes to condemn (science) and only the supposed good of that which it wishes to glorify (the" gods") the twisted mind does the same with material things. The medicines that science creates, are called miracles, the weapons science creates are the only things that science alone is credited for. Be consistent, if you are going to give credit to your " God" for giving humanity's science, than God is just as responsible for the miracle weapons as for the miracle medical cures. But consistency, balance, logic, fairness, and truth; do not exist in the minds of the insane
Your statement:
"My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence."
Your reply was far from an excellent direct reference, instead it was a completely incorrect analogy with no reference to her statement. The atheist does not condemn the science it trusts. The religious condemn the science that they trust, when they take the medicine the operation etc.
Your statement:
""Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth
Your statement:
"Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief."
Another lying perversion of the truth, that is completely false. The" some truth" is the truth, the only truth. Are we back to pretending that their are degrees of truth? In your delusion, what is the part of the truth that is not the truth?
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#47400 - 07/06/06 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by I:
You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is.
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#47401 - 07/06/06 05:40 PM
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Your statement:
"Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?"
You seem to be confused with the idea that if I post on this thread then it simply must be to you. I posted a general idea to this thread. It really had nothing whatsoever to do with lighteningcreationistscience guy or you. I actually had to go back and see where the words of God were even talked about. You are devious and evil in that you are trying to twist my comments to address something in this thread other than their original intent. That's a bad I, shame on you.
And seeing how we're offering 'proof' of your confusion, deviousness and evil ways where exactly did I use italics????
Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing.
My statement:
"God made nature and thus the grass. Science also brought us weapons of mass destruction and pollution of the air/water & earth. Even dumb animals know better than to shit where they sleep"
Your statement"
Which " God made nature"., or did all the" gods" do the same thing over and over again? I wonder what they are all doing now. Strange how the twisted sick mind admits to only the bad of that which it wishes to condemn (science) and only the supposed good of that which it wishes to glorify (the" gods") the twisted mind does the same with material things. The medicines that science creates, are called miracles, the weapons science creates are the only things that science alone is credited for. Be consistent, if you are going to give credit to your " God" for giving humanity's science, than God is just as responsible for the miracle weapons as for the miracle medical cures. But consistency, balance, logic, fairness, and truth; do not exist in the minds of the insane"
I've not said that science hasn't done good. I've not said that God doesn't often do things we consider bad. If you are simply going to make up things and declare that I believe them so you can make some hate mongering speech then I really don't need to be here do I?
My statement:
"My reply was an excellent direct reference to the fact that even atheist must trust things they don't totally understand for their existence. Either that or they live a fearful existence."
Your statement:
Your reply was far from an excellent direct reference, instead it was a completely incorrect analogy with no reference to her statement. The atheist does not condemn the science it trusts. The religious condemn the science that they trust, when they take the medicine the operation etc.
So your BELIEF is that my statement was incorrect, correct? Actually if you only trust that which you can know... then you must be fearful of flying off the face of the earth. You do not trust that which you claim to trust. Hypocrisy? I think so.
My statement:
""Because it was originally written by ghoti. All I did was change a few words to get the point across that religion and science "may" not be as different as some would like to believe"
Your statement:
"Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth"
Oh well... if "YOU" say so... then it must be true? Let me clue you a little here, just cause you say it don't mean squat to me. There are quite a few similarities between the two if you'd open your mind a tad.
My statement:
"Both are composed of some lies and some truth. Being able to discern which is which is a matter of belief."
Your statement:
"Another lying perversion of the truth, that is completely false. The" some truth" is the truth, the only truth. Are we back to pretending that their are degrees of truth? In your delusion, what is the part of the truth that is not the truth?"
rofl So let me ask you... when is a "lying perversion" not false?
Only the most extreme radical fundamentalists believe that they have a corner on "the" truth.
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#47402 - 07/06/06 05:42 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by I:
You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is.
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.
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#47404 - 07/06/06 09:54 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by Davyd:
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.  )
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#47405 - 07/06/06 09:56 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by Davyd:
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.
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#47406 - 07/06/06 09:57 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by Davyd:
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10.
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#47407 - 07/06/06 10:01 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by Davyd:
Hey MrSoul! Wanna bet on how long I can keep "I" boy posting? $1/page if it goes 5 pages... or I'll send ya $10. 
Rather than cutting back, learn to embrace the sidetrack. Utilize each and everyone to individualize the thought and allow each thought to have it's own post.
Increased posts = increased thread length = more money 4 dave!
Isaac needs new brake drums for the Buick, show me the money!
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#47408 - 07/06/06 11:53 PM
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'I', don't pull that six shooter..no way I would try a quick draw contest with you! I keep blabberin my beliefs in case someone hasn't heard them before. Those who have, can overlook my statements.
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#47409 - 07/07/06 10:37 AM
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I
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Davyd
Your statement:
("Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?")
"You seem to be confused with the idea that if I post on this thread then it simply must be to you"
You know that's not true. Mr. soul was making a big deal about that a while ago. I stated to him than what is obvious, that I have always replied to statements directed to others and others have done that also. You don't have to feign ignorance, your ignorance is obvious
Your statement:
"I posted a general idea to this thread. It really had nothing whatsoever to do with lighteningcreationistscience guy or you. I actually had to go back and see where the words of God were even talked about."
Religion has nothing to do with" God", are you sure that? It had to do with religion and religion has to do with a" God". So you were talking about religion. That which claims and defines a" God". To put it simple enough for you to understand," God" cannot be separated from religion. Obviously you found the words of" God" directly or indirectly in the statements of lightning creation scientists. She didn't mention" God"
Your statement:
"You are devious and evil in that you are trying to twist my comments to address something in this thread other than their original intent. That's a bad I, shame on you."
I twisted nothing as explained above. You are trying to twist your way out of it
Your statement:
"And seeing how we're offering 'proof' of your confusion, deviousness and evil ways where exactly did I use italics????"
Evidently it was lightning creation scientists who used the italics, my error. But how does your twisted mind, turn that into proof of my supposed confusion and deviousness?
Your statement:
"Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing"
That was never the subject, and that was never the truth
Your statement:
"I've not said that science hasn't done good. I've not said that God doesn't often do things we consider bad. If you are simply going to make up things and declare that I believe them so you can make some hate mongering speech then I really don't need to be here do I?
No but you pointed out only the bad that science has done, while you are constantly bloating about the wonderful good that your" God" has supposedly done. Never mind the copout, you still are not saying that God has done anything bad. You say it is only what we consider bad. You do realize don't you, that the good is also only what we consider good. I do not make up anything, that's your game
Your statement:
"So your BELIEF is that my statement was incorrect, correct? Actually if you only trust that which you can know... then you must be fearful of flying off the face of the earth. You do not trust that which you claim to trust. Hypocrisy? I think so."
No it was obvious (nothing to do with belief) that your reply to Starlight's statement was unrelated, a false analogy. I did not say that I can only trust that which I can know. (And you are accusing me of making up things.). I can never know fully anything or anyone, yet I trust what I trust. (Again stop making up things). I do trust what I trust. I do not fear flying off the face of the earth, because I have never heard of or seen it happen . Where is my hypocrisy? The hypocrisy lies within the life you live and your beliefs.
Your statement:
("Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth")
"Oh well... if "YOU" say so... then it must be true? Let me clue you a little here, just cause you say it don't mean squat to me. There are quite a few similarities between the two if you'd open your mind a tad."
To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked
Your statement:
"rofl So let me ask you... when is a "lying perversion" not false? "
When the perversion is a premeditated perversion of words and statements it is false. A true perversion is not premeditated and not arranged for a specific purposes
Your statement:
"Only the most extreme radical fundamentalists believe that they have a corner on "the" truth"
And just what is it, that you proclaim you have a corner on?.
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#47410 - 07/07/06 08:52 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
("Now tell me what I was confused about, and what my devious and evil attempt to change the subject was. You seem to be constructed of the same kind of slime that Mr. soul is. Same tactics, even the use of italics. Or is that just the way of all Christians?")
My statement:
"You seem to be confused with the idea that if I post on this thread then it simply must be to you"
Your statement:
"You know that's not true. Mr. soul was making a big deal about that a while ago. I stated to him than what is obvious, that I have always replied to statements directed to others and others have done that also. You don't have to feign ignorance, your ignorance is obvious"
True we all post to whomever posts in a particular thread, however, we don't assume to demand that we answer for other peoples post. In other words if you have a problem with lighteningcreationscience guy... talk to him not me.
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#47411 - 07/07/06 08:55 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"I posted a general idea to this thread. It really had nothing whatsoever to do with lighteningcreationistscience guy or you. I actually had to go back and see where the words of God were even talked about."
Your statement:
Religion has nothing to do with" God", are you sure that? It had to do with religion and religion has to do with a" God". So you were talking about religion. That which claims and defines a" God". To put it simple enough for you to understand," God" cannot be separated from religion. Obviously you found the words of" God" directly or indirectly in the statements of lightning creation scientists. She didn't mention" God"
I'm sure religion does not necessarily have to include any supernatural beliefs.
Again, while we are all free to post whatever on the threads, the idea that I'm supposed to defend or be accountable for someone elses thought is silly.
Yippeee we've hit page 3!!!!!!!!
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#47412 - 07/07/06 08:57 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"You are devious and evil in that you are trying to twist my comments to address something in this thread other than their original intent. That's a bad I, shame on you."
Your statement:
"I twisted nothing as explained above. You are trying to twist your way out of it"
As shown you are attempting to force me into defending someone elses thoughts/beliefs. Ain't gonna happen, shame shame shame.
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#47413 - 07/07/06 08:59 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"And seeing how we're offering 'proof' of your confusion, deviousness and evil ways where exactly did I use italics????"
Your statement:
"Evidently it was lightning creation scientists who used the italics, my error. But how does your twisted mind, turn that into proof of my supposed confusion and deviousness?"
Apology accepted.
Either you deliberately lied about me using italics or you were confused as to who posted italics. I assumed the best of you and figured you were just confused. Should I have assumed you would deliberately lie?
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#47414 - 07/07/06 09:01 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing"
Your statement:
"That was never the subject, and that was never the truth"
I never said it was the subject and at one time it was the truth.
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#47415 - 07/07/06 09:03 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"I've not said that science hasn't done good. I've not said that God doesn't often do things we consider bad. If you are simply going to make up things and declare that I believe them so you can make some hate mongering speech then I really don't need to be here do I?
Your statement:
"No but you pointed out only the bad that science has done, while you are constantly bloating about the wonderful good that your" God" has supposedly done. Never mind the copout, you still are not saying that God has done anything bad. You say it is only what we consider bad. You do realize don't you, that the good is also only what we consider good. I do not make up anything, that's your game"
And you've only always pointed out the bad that religion has done, while you are constantly bloating(?) about the wonderful good that "science" has suposedly done.
Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement.
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#47416 - 07/07/06 09:09 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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I
My statement:
"So your BELIEF is that my statement was incorrect, correct? Actually if you only trust that which you can know... then you must be fearful of flying off the face of the earth. You do not trust that which you claim to trust. Hypocrisy? I think so."
Your statment:
"No it was obvious (nothing to do with belief) that your reply to Starlight's statement was unrelated, a false analogy. I did not say that I can only trust that which I can know. (And you are accusing me of making up things.). I can never know fully anything or anyone, yet I trust what I trust. (Again stop making up things). I do trust what I trust. I do not fear flying off the face of the earth, because I have never heard of or seen it happen . Where is my hypocrisy? The hypocrisy lies within the life you live and your beliefs."
What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth.
Things fly off the earth on a routine basis. Does it not scare you that you might also fly away at some point? How can you be sure that you won't?
Your hypocrisy lies in the idea that you want to live based on facts and yet there are not enough facts to support your life. Belief has to enter into the picture somewhere in some form. You admit it and then deny that you are a hypocrit to your own beliefs!
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#47417 - 07/07/06 09:20 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
("Oh you just corrupted it completely, destroyed its meaning, perverted it to suit your needs, that's all you did. That is sickening evil, deviousness. That is the way of Christians. As I said religion and science are complete opposites and have absolutely nothing in common. The one (science) seeks the truth, the other (religion) distorts, censors, perverts and does everything else in its power to destroy the truth")
My statement:
"Oh well... if "YOU" say so... then it must be true? Let me clue you a little here, just cause you say it don't mean squat to me. There are quite a few similarities between the two if you'd open your mind a tad."
Your statement:
"To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked"
I was referring to all you that statement. It's delusional at best, paranoid most likely.
You "know" that what you say means plenty to me? Based on what objective proof? Or is this simply a belief?
You do have an effect on me, that's true. It's been a long time since I have worked in mental health and it's kinda fun chatting with you at times. You remind me of a patient I once had who seriously believed he could change traffic lights by using the heat from his eyes. The weird part was he drove a truck for a living. They(the police) brought him to the looney bin cause he'd been holed up for three days in his room rigging basketball games by using this same eye heat thing on the basketballs. He was a really nice feller except for that little quirk. We got along fine until I pointed out to him that the game he was currently watching was on a 2 hour tape delay and even the power of this eyes couldn't change the tape. He got really angry and quit talkin to me. lol Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy.
Let's see... science/religion both come to conclusions based a data sets
science/religion both evaluate that data set and come to some sort of 'collective hunch'
science/religion both have so called "experts" that 90% or more of the population have little to no idea exactly what they are talking about... they simply "trust" the experts.
science/religion both have had some goofs that were later corrected
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#47418 - 07/07/06 09:23 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"rofl So let me ask you... when is a "lying perversion" not false? "
Your statement:
"When the perversion is a premeditated perversion of words and statements it is false. A true perversion is not premeditated and not arranged for a specific purposes"
So a "true" perversion is not false? Let me get this straight, if you really believe that 2+2= 5 then that's not false because it's not premeditated or arranged for a specific purpose?
So then those with religious beliefs who aren't premeditating or arranging for a specific purpose can be as wrong as the day is long and they aren't false!
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#47419 - 07/07/06 09:25 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Only the most extreme radical fundamentalists believe that they have a corner on "the" truth"
Your statement:
"And just what is it, that you proclaim you have a corner on?. "
Nothing, but I do have an opinion on just about everything!
On behalf of my son, thanks for taking this just one page further to getting those new brake drums.
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#47420 - 07/08/06 01:47 PM
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I
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your statement
"True we all post to whomever posts in a particular thread, however, we don't assume to demand that we answer for other peoples post. In other words if you have a problem with lighteningcreationscience guy... talk to him not me."
You said I was confused, because I replied to you about a thread you had directed to somebody else, You now admit that many if not all here do reply to threads directed to others.. I did not demand that you answer anyone else's post, I demanded that you answer a question, that was asked by somebody else. I did talk to lighteningcreationscience without any problem. I then talked to you about your replies to statements of others and your replies to statements from me. Now give me an example of my confusion?:
Your statement:
"I'm sure religion does not necessarily have to include any supernatural beliefs."
The meaning of Religion is generally accepted as supernatural beliefs, and without any shadow of a doubt, you were using it in reference to supernatural beliefs. Stop the filthy nonsense
Your statement:
"Again, while we are all free to post whatever on the threads, the idea that I'm supposed to defend or be accountable for someone elses thought is silly"
That's right you are not supposed to do anything. Where demented one, did I attempt to hold you responsible for someone else's thoughts?
Your statement:
"As shown you are attempting to force me into defending someone elses thoughts/beliefs. Ain't gonna happen, shame shame shame."
Shown where, where you shown that you lying.dog? Who's thoughts am I forcing you to defend,, and how am I attempting to do that?
Your statement:
"Apology accepted."
No apology was presented
Your statement:
"Either you deliberately lied about me using italics or you were confused as to who posted italics. I assumed the best of you and figured you were just confused. Should I have assumed you would deliberately lie? "
I do not lie, and making an error is not a sign of confusion.. Errors are to be expected, because of our limitations. And errors become even more likely, when as in my case I am dealing with many posters on many threads
Your statement:
"I never said it was the subject and at one time it was the truth."
You don't have to (say) it was the subject, to pretend it was. When you made the statement,
"Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing"
you purposefully made it appear, but I had mentioned something about punctuation and spelling, knowing full well that I did not. The Christian deviousness continuous. Whether or not there was a time, when all Christians used proper punctuation and spelling is unknown. I am sure the Christian scribes made their share of errors as did non- Christian scribes
Your statement:
"And you've only always pointed out the bad that religion has done, while you are constantly bloating(?) about the wonderful good that "science" has suposedly done."
Don't use me as your excuse. You do not mention only the " good" of religion and the bad of science, because I don't mention the " good" of religion. You do it for: devious religious purposes. My constant presentation of the good science has done, is the necessary result of the constant demeaning of science by religion. I can see no " good", that religion has done. When apparent goodness is done for the specific purpose of promoting evil, it is not good
Your statement:
"Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement."
As I have said many times, good and bad are simply self serving titles humanity has assigned to promote what they like, and try to prevent what they don't like
Your statement:
"What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth"
Nonsense, this reality and the titles in uses of the things within it, are the same for you and everyone else on this earth.. Reality was not created by me or for me, thusly it is not a separate thing for or by me. My ( judgment) of it, had no part in its existence. Again I do not deal with (beliefs). I do not choose ( evidence), it cannot be a personal thing. You are completely dependent on the same reality that has always existed. And you are completely dependent today, on (facts) discovered centuries ago by others, proving that facts are not subject to individual acceptance or rejecting
Your statement:
"Things fly off the earth on a routine basis. Does it not scare you that you might also fly away at some point? How can you be sure that you won't?"
I cannot be sure that I will not fly off the earth, but that possibility isn't even worth considering, when placed beside the endless and more likely dangers of this life
Your statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in the idea that you want to live based on facts and yet there are not enough facts to support your life. Belief has to enter into the picture somewhere in some form. You admit it and then deny that you are a hypocrit to your own beliefs! "
Life is a fact, that is the only fact that life needs. There are enough Facts to keep all creatures and other forms of life going, without the slightest taint of belief. Look at any baby and see the proof, that belief is completely unnecessary. There are enough facts to support my life and all life, in fact facts are the only thing that supports life.. where did I ever say that belief was necessary to me. Evidently your God tells you morons to lie and lie and lie some more Belief absolutely does not have to enter the picture anywhere, trust alone is what is necessary sometimes. Don't try to corrupt trust into belief. Trust is, I think so, I hope so. Belief is, I know so . Where oh where is my hypocrisy. Do You have some twisted definition of hypocrisy, you would like to present
Your statement:
"I was referring to all you that statement. It's delusional at best, paranoid most likely."
What is delusional or paranoid about my following statements?
("To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked")
Don't try to get out of it by saying that it is all delusional or paranoid. Speak to each issue, to show that it is not true. It is clear who lives in a world of delusion , called belief
Your statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true."
Of course it is, but you said it was delusional or paranoid when I said what I say has an effect on you
Your statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true. It's been a long time since I have worked in mental health and it's kinda fun chatting with you at times. You remind me of a patient I once had who seriously believed he could change traffic lights by using the heat from his eyes. The weird part was he drove a truck for a living. They(the police) brought him to the looney bin cause he'd been holed up for three days in his room rigging basketball games by using this same eye heat thing on the basketballs. He was a really nice feller except for that little quirk. We got along fine until I pointed out to him that the game he was currently watching was on a 2 hour tape delay and even the power of this eyes couldn't change the tape. He got really angry and quit talkin to me. lol Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Strange that was posted to me quite a while ago, by the lying soul . So you have worked in mental health also; isn't this all a coincidence. Is the repeated story above an attempt to disassociate your own delusions from yourself onto the character you are describing?
Your statement:
"Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
To me they are boring and aggravating. Yes indeed it is extremely hard to deprogram a believer, but it happens.
Your statement:
"Let's see... science/religion both come to conclusions based a data sets"
Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements
Your statement:
"science/religion both evaluate that data set and come to some sort of 'collective hunch'"
Again religion has no real data. Because it has no data, it has nothing to show in the real world. Science on the other hand far from being a" hunch", displays its results continually all over the earth and in space. You see and use so much of it every day. Very few could survive without science, but thousands survive without any religious belief. That's why religion hates atheists, they are living proof, along with children and all the rest of life, that religious belief is completely unnecessary
Your statement:
"science/religion both have so called "experts" that 90% or more of the population have little to no idea exactly what they are talking about... they simply "trust" the experts"
The so-called" experts" of religion, have no comparison with the experts of science. Try to notice the difference between scientific experts and those so-called religious experts who are versed only in lies. Also try to see the difference between trusting science, and believing you must trust the so-called religious experts
Your statement:
"science/religion both have had some goofs that were later corrected"
Lies are not goofs. Some of the religions lies and ignorant errors have been exposed, and it certainly was not religion that told the public about them.. The honest errors of science were told to the public by the scientists themselves
Your statement:
"So a "true" perversion is not false? Let me get this straight, if you really believe that 2+2= 5 then that's not false because it's not premeditated or arranged for a specific purpose?"
What is called a perversion in human actions, is not false. The actions are driven by emotion etc. not by premeditation. To the ****ed up believer it is true that 2+2= 5 . Try to recognize the difference in stating something false that you believe to be true, and stating something false that you know is not true. The premeditation is when you know it is not true
Your statement:
"So then those with religious beliefs who aren't premeditating or arranging for a specific purpose can be as wrong as the day is long and they aren't false! "
this is the lying soul's continuing bullshit. As I have always said those who really believe the garbage, are obviously not being false. The creators, hierarchy, and proselytizers of religion are the fakes
Your statement:
"Nothing, but I do have an opinion on just about everything!"
So you do not have a corner on any truth, just an opinion? Why is your opinion called Christianity? Does Christianity have a corner on any truth?
Your statement:
"On behalf of my son, thanks for taking this just one page further to getting those new brake drums."
You welcome.
Hi Starlight, sorry to have taken so long to reply
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#47421 - 07/08/06 08:18 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"On behalf of my son, thanks for taking this just one page further to getting those new brake drums."
Your statement:
"You welcome."
I do believe this will result in attaining at least page 4 if not 5!
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#47422 - 07/08/06 08:21 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Nothing, but I do have an opinion on just about everything!"
Your statement:
"So you do not have a corner on any truth, just an opinion? Why is your opinion called Christianity? Does Christianity have a corner on any truth?"
Yes, I believe I only have an opinion not a corner on any truth. My opinion is called Christian I suppose because that's what other people refer to it as. IF Christianity has a corner on truth it's not readily apparent at this time. Perhaps in the life after this one?
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#47423 - 07/08/06 08:26 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"So then those with religious beliefs who aren't premeditating or arranging for a specific purpose can be as wrong as the day is long and they aren't false! "
Your statement:
"this is the lying soul's continuing bullshit. As I have always said those who really believe the garbage, are obviously not being false. The creators, hierarchy, and proselytizers of religion are the fakes"
Out of all the religions combined, how many creators, hierarchy and proselytizers do you think there are? A percentage would do here.
And that percentage of the religious even tho they believe this "garbage" aren't evil, wicked or devious?
How do you tell the difference between a non-evil religious person and an evil religious person?
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#47424 - 07/08/06 08:38 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"So a "true" perversion is not false? Let me get this straight, if you really believe that 2+2= 5 then that's not false because it's not premeditated or arranged for a specific purpose?"
Your statement:
"What is called a perversion in human actions, is not false. The actions are driven by emotion etc. not by premeditation. To the ****ed up believer it is true that 2+2= 5 . Try to recognize the difference in stating something false that you believe to be true, and stating something false that you know is not true. The premeditation is when you know it is not true"
Naw, I ain't buying it. 2+2=5 is always perverted. Whether it's premeditated or not is not relevant.
Think about it this way, according to you if a feller has sex with a chicken and doesn't know it's perverted then according to you it's perfectly fine. It's only when you know having sex with a chicken is perverted that it's a perversion? That sounds amazingly similar to what the APA said when it changed the DSM criteria for pedophilia when it stated that it was a mental illness ONLY if you felt bad for doing it. It's always perverted, justifing and rationalizing it away is crazy talk.
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#47425 - 07/08/06 08:44 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"science/religion both have had some goofs that were later corrected"
Your statement:
"Lies are not goofs. Some of the religions lies and ignorant errors have been exposed, and it certainly was not religion that told the public about them.. The honest errors of science were told to the public by the scientists themselves"
Yeah, that's the reason the Piltdown Man was almost immediately revealed as a fake? lol How many decades did that one take again? Honest and Piltdown Man don't belong in the same sentence, I believe hoax would be more appropriate.
Both have had their share of goofs, science may move faster than religion but eventually they all are exposed.
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#47426 - 07/08/06 08:46 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"science/religion both have so called "experts" that 90% or more of the population have little to no idea exactly what they are talking about... they simply "trust" the experts"
Your statement:
"The so-called" experts" of religion, have no comparison with the experts of science. Try to notice the difference between scientific experts and those so-called religious experts who are versed only in lies. Also try to see the difference between trusting science, and believing you must trust the so-called religious experts"
Sure they have a comparison, I just did it! I see far more similarities between the two than differences.
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#47427 - 07/08/06 08:47 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd, you're just doing this for the money! :p
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#47428 - 07/08/06 08:50 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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My statement:
"science/religion both evaluate that data set and come to some sort of 'collective hunch'"
Your statement:
"Again religion has no real data. Because it has no data, it has nothing to show in the real world. Science on the other hand far from being a" hunch", displays its results continually all over the earth and in space. You see and use so much of it every day. Very few could survive without science, but thousands survive without any religious belief. That's why religion hates atheists, they are living proof, along with children and all the rest of life, that religious belief is completely unnecessary"
Sure it does. Hypothesis, comparisons, theories, proofs, test/retest... are all contained within religious belief. Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity.
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#47429 - 07/08/06 08:52 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Let's see... science/religion both come to conclusions based a data sets"
Your statement:
"Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements"
It deals with statements, whether they are false or not is a subjective judgement.
Who are you to decide what is true or false for others?
A false set of statements is still data and can be contained within a set.
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#47430 - 07/08/06 08:56 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Your statement:
"To me they are boring and aggravating. Yes indeed it is extremely hard to deprogram a believer, but it happens. "
That's unfortunate. I find them extremely interesting. It simply amazes me how someone can have an alphabet of A, B, C, D, W, X, Y, Z, 3, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z and still function to great degree! That's what makes me wonder about you. You seem smart and I'm sure you function at a normal level... and yet if you stumble across this one area of hatred you are completely bonkers. lol
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#47431 - 07/08/06 09:01 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true. It's been a long time since I have worked in mental health and it's kinda fun chatting with you at times. You remind me of a patient I once had who seriously believed he could change traffic lights by using the heat from his eyes. The weird part was he drove a truck for a living. They(the police) brought him to the looney bin cause he'd been holed up for three days in his room rigging basketball games by using this same eye heat thing on the basketballs. He was a really nice feller except for that little quirk. We got along fine until I pointed out to him that the game he was currently watching was on a 2 hour tape delay and even the power of this eyes couldn't change the tape. He got really angry and quit talkin to me. lol Delusional folks are interesting... you almost never convince them of their delusions and the best we could offer the feller was to simply not tell anyone else cause they'd think he was crazy."
Your statement:
"Strange that was posted to me quite a while ago, by the lying soul . So you have worked in mental health also; isn't this all a coincidence. Is the repeated story above an attempt to disassociate your own delusions from yourself onto the character you are describing?"
REALLY?!? If true that is quite amazing! I have never heard of someone else who had the hot eyeball thingy! I must have missed MrSoul posting about this deal, I'll have to ask him about it.
Yes I have worked in several mental health facilities. It's always a blast, but the pay really sucks. Kinda makes you think no one cares about the mentally ill.
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#47432 - 07/08/06 09:03 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"You do have an effect on me, that's true."
Your statement:
"Of course it is, but you said it was delusional or paranoid when I said what I say has an effect on you"
Yes by golly I did refer to it as delusional or paranoid or possibly both. People who are delusional or paranoid or possibly both do have an effect on me... they make me smile.
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#47433 - 07/08/06 09:08 PM
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Davyd
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My statement:
"I was referring to all you that statement. It's delusional at best, paranoid most likely."
Your statement:
"What is delusional or paranoid about my following statements?
("To what part of my above statement are you referring to, when you say, " then it must be true? I know that what I say does mean plenty to you, so you must reject it to protect your belief. However it does have its effects, on your belief. There are absolutely no similarities of religion and science, other than that both consist of human beings. Would you like to give me a few similarities regarding religion and science? You are the one with the closed mind. You have been programmed, and you don't dare let it go. So your mind is shut tight and locked")
Don't try to get out of it by saying that it is all delusional or paranoid. Speak to each issue, to show that it is not true. It is clear who lives in a world of delusion , called belief"
It's delusional simply because you are sure it means plenty to me, although you have absolutely no way of knowing what effect it may or may not have. Delusions of Grandeur It's paranoid simply because you seem to have given a lot of thought to my response.
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#47434 - 07/08/06 09:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in the idea that you want to live based on facts and yet there are not enough facts to support your life. Belief has to enter into the picture somewhere in some form. You admit it and then deny that you are a hypocrit to your own beliefs! "
Your statement:
"Life is a fact, that is the only fact that life needs. There are enough Facts to keep all creatures and other forms of life going, without the slightest taint of belief. Look at any baby and see the proof, that belief is completely unnecessary. There are enough facts to support my life and all life, in fact facts are the only thing that supports life.. where did I ever say that belief was necessary to me. Evidently your God tells you morons to lie and lie and lie some more Belief absolutely does not have to enter the picture anywhere, trust alone is what is necessary sometimes. Don't try to corrupt trust into belief. Trust is, I think so, I hope so. Belief is, I know so . Where oh where is my hypocrisy. Do You have some twisted definition of hypocrisy, you would like to present"
If trust is "I think so, I hope so"... then what is the thought and hope based on? Certainly not facts cause then there would be no need of thought or hope.
Belief is based on not knowing... I believe that God is alive and well. That statement is a belief. I trust that God is alive and well is essentially the same statement. My trust is based not on facts but upon belief in something.
Your hypocrisy lies in that while you want to split trust and belief... you essentially have both and deny one. Ever heard the story of the guy who jumped out of a plane while holding a piece of sod to his feet and repeating to himself that he couldn't possibly be falling cause his feet were firmly planted on dirt. Pot-Kettle > Black
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#47435 - 07/08/06 09:23 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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My statement:
"Things fly off the earth on a routine basis. Does it not scare you that you might also fly away at some point? How can you be sure that you won't?"
Your statement:
"I cannot be sure that I will not fly off the earth, but that possibility isn't even worth considering, when placed beside the endless and more likely dangers of this life "
"An atheist would have no fear of flying out into space (as long as nothing went wrong) because of the laws of physics and trust in science, with or without any particular knowledge about gravity."
So you have no fear, but at the same time you can't be sure. You "trust/believe" the laws of physics even tho they can't explain how it works(collective hunch).
Whether it's more or less likely isn't relevant to the question or the discussion of your hypocrisy here.
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#47436 - 07/08/06 09:27 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement
"True we all post to whomever posts in a particular thread, however, we don't assume to demand that we answer for other peoples post. In other words if you have a problem with lighteningcreationscience guy... talk to him not me."
your statement:
"You said I was confused, because I replied to you about a thread you had directed to somebody else, You now admit that many if not all here do reply to threads directed to others.. I did not demand that you answer anyone else's post, I demanded that you answer a question, that was asked by somebody else. I did talk to lighteningcreationscience without any problem. I then talked to you about your replies to statements of others and your replies to statements from me. Now give me an example of my confusion?:"
I said you were confused because you demand an answer to an issue I hadn't addressed, didn't intend to address and still have no desire to address... and yet you continue to insist that I do such a thing. It was lighteningsciencecreation guy who brought the words of God into the thread, if you wish to discuss that with them that's fine... I made no mention of them in my post.... no matter how much you wish to twist and contort my original post.
YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! page 4
You can almost smell them new brake drums can't ya????
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#47437 - 07/08/06 09:30 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"I'm sure religion does not necessarily have to include any supernatural beliefs."
your statement:
"The meaning of Religion is generally accepted as supernatural beliefs, and without any shadow of a doubt, you were using it in reference to supernatural beliefs. Stop the filthy nonsense"
And the generally accepted meaning of God is the Christain God. That doesn't mean it's true tho. What is generally accepted means little to me personally. I suppose if you want to live your life by someone elses standards.... try some free thinking for a change... don't follow the herd.
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#47438 - 07/08/06 09:33 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Again, while we are all free to post whatever on the threads, the idea that I'm supposed to defend or be accountable for someone elses thought is silly"
your statement:
"That's right you are not supposed to do anything. Where demented one, did I attempt to hold you responsible for someone else's thoughts?"
Earlier in this thread when you attempted to twist my post to address lighteningcreationscience guys words. I have no intention of trying to defend what they said, nor am I real interested in discussing what they posted. I could be persuaded tho if MrSoul were to up the ante to maybe $5/pg for anything over 5 pages. Let me know.
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#47439 - 07/08/06 09:35 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"As shown you are attempting to force me into defending someone elses thoughts/beliefs. Ain't gonna happen, shame shame shame."
your statement:
"Shown where, where you shown that you lying.dog? Who's thoughts am I forcing you to defend,, and how am I attempting to do that? "
You are attempting to force me to discuss/defend lighteningsciencecreation guys posting of Biblical verses. Your repeated attempts to get me to answer for what they posted is proof of that. This continuing line of discussion is further proof. So quit it out already freddie.
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#47440 - 07/08/06 09:37 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Apology accepted."
your statement:
"No apology was presented"
Then you aren't sorry for being confused? Or you aren't sorry you got caught at being confused?
If you wanna get snotty about it then I retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof. Nana Nana boo boo
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#47441 - 07/08/06 09:40 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Either you deliberately lied about me using italics or you were confused as to who posted italics. I assumed the best of you and figured you were just confused. Should I have assumed you would deliberately lie? "
your statement:
"I do not lie, and making an error is not a sign of confusion.. Errors are to be expected, because of our limitations. And errors become even more likely, when as in my case I am dealing with many posters on many threads"
If you do lie then saying you don't lie would in itself be a lie, no? So prove you don't lie.
Please don't rush on my account, take yer time, use as many words as necessary and post as often as you feel you need to convey the complete idea. Errors are often the result of confusion.
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#47442 - 07/08/06 09:46 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"I never said it was the subject and at one time it was the truth."
your statement:
"You don't have to (say) it was the subject, to pretend it was. When you made the statement,
"Yes, all Christians use proper punctuation and spelling. Thank you for noticing"
you purposefully made it appear, but I had mentioned something about punctuation and spelling, knowing full well that I did not. The Christian deviousness continuous. Whether or not there was a time, when all Christians used proper punctuation and spelling is unknown. I am sure the Christian scribes made their share of errors as did non- Christian scribes"
What you believe were my intentions may or may not have been, you'd have to ask rather than assume unless of course yer psychic.
When Jesus walked the earth He utilized completely perfect punctuation and spelling, well Him and that small group of His but they really didn't do much writing then.
Punctuation and spelling seemed to cover the type style of italics for me personally, it's all that grammar thing which I kinda detest.
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#47443 - 07/08/06 09:51 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"And you've only always pointed out the bad that religion has done, while you are constantly bloating(?) about the wonderful good that "science" has suposedly done."
your statement:
"Don't use me as your excuse. You do not mention only the " good" of religion and the bad of science, because I don't mention the " good" of religion. You do it for: devious religious purposes. My constant presentation of the good science has done, is the necessary result of the constant demeaning of science by religion. I can see no " good", that religion has done. When apparent goodness is done for the specific purpose of promoting evil, it is not good "
And you know I "do it for devious religious purposes" how? ESP?? Psychic???
If you can see no good that religion has done then you simply must have you haid in the ground. When I took food/clothing to those in need was that evil? When I paid for people to have heat in their homes that was evil? Oh what a horrible person I am! I should be horse whipped.
We are constantly bombarded with the goofball antics of a very few in religion or even better the actions of those who live several hundred years ago as if we are to blame for their doings. I am accountable only for my actions. Simply because I'm an American doesn't mean I'm responsible for those who act crazy here.
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#47444 - 07/08/06 09:52 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement."
your statement:
"As I have said many times, good and bad are simply self serving titles humanity has assigned to promote what they like, and try to prevent what they don't like "
So you agree with my religious concept!
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#47445 - 07/08/06 09:59 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth"
your statement:
"Nonsense, this reality and the titles in uses of the things within it, are the same for you and everyone else on this earth.. Reality was not created by me or for me, thusly it is not a separate thing for or by me. My ( judgment) of it, had no part in its existence. Again I do not deal with (beliefs). I do not choose ( evidence), it cannot be a personal thing. You are completely dependent on the same reality that has always existed. And you are completely dependent today, on (facts) discovered centuries ago by others, proving that facts are not subject to individual acceptance or rejecting"
We weren't talking about this reality and titles... we were discussing my post to Starlight. You made the statement that my reply was unrelated and a false analogy. Your statement is subjective and a judgement based upon your beliefs.
Objectively you can say that I made a statement.
Subjectively you can make a judgement of that statement but it holds no weight or proof or fact. It's simply a crap statement.
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#47448 - 07/09/06 10:39 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Paulwa_dup1
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#47449 - 07/10/06 12:58 PM
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Davyd
your statement:
"Yes, I believe I only have an opinion not a corner on any truth. My opinion is called Christian I suppose because that's what other people refer to it as. IF Christianity has a corner on truth it's not readily apparent at this time. Perhaps in the life after this one? "
When other people refer to Christianity, they are not referring to your opinion. I think they as you, are simply blindly accepting the lie of your religion.. It is patently ridiculous of you to try and pretend that an institution of lies, that was created before you even existed is simply a matter of your opinion. If Christianity had a corner on the truth, it would be readily apparent. The truth does not play hide and seek. Your religion has no apparent truth for the same reason that other religions do not have any apparent truth, because they are lies.
So your God failed to assure you of any truth, you will only know for sure (you believe) when you are dead. The con game continues right through your death. But you can't be sure of that neither can you. You probably will have to be born again to know, whoops no, you will have to die again to know,. nope born again, die again, born again, die again etc. etc. etc. etc. By the time you get through, it won't matter anymore. And just think that all the while you really knew deep in your being, that it was all bullshit made up by men
Your statement:
"Out of all the religions combined, how many creators, hierarchy and proselytizers do you think there are? A percentage would do here."
What difference does that make?
Your statement:
" And that percentage of the religious even tho they believe this "garbage" aren't evil, wicked or devious?"
The creators, the hierarchy are definitely evil and devious there may be some proselytizers, who believe what they are promoting. But That does not change the situation
Your statement:
"How do you tell the difference between a non-evil religious person and an evil religious person? "
I have no need to
Your statement:
"Naw, I ain't buying it. 2+2=5 is always perverted. Whether it's premeditated or not is not relevant."
It is always wrong not always perverted
Your statement:
"Think about it this way, according to you if a feller has sex with a chicken and doesn't know it's perverted then according to you it's perfectly fine."
Where did I say that would be perfectly fine? What I said was that the desire was not preconceived therefore not false
Your statement:
" It's only when you know having sex with a chicken is perverted that it's a perversion? "
You are really trying to pervert completely what I said ; aren't you, lying soul. What I said was, ( a true perversion is not false?) . I was not defining perversion. You are trying to twist the subject over to perversion. You continually try to crawl more and more away from the main subject
Your statement:
"That sounds amazingly similar to what the APA said when it changed the DSM criteria for pedophilia when it stated that it was a mental illness ONLY if you felt bad for doing it. It's always perverted, justifing and rationalizing it away is crazy talk."
It sounds that way because you purposefully tried to make it sound that way, by perverting what I said. Once again I said, ( a true perversion is not false?)
Your statement:
"Yeah, that's the reason the Piltdown Man was almost immediately revealed as a fake? lol How many decades did that one take again? Honest and Piltdown Man don't belong in the same sentence, I believe hoax would be more appropriate"
Are you blaming science for what A. few individual criminals did, those criminals prevented science from getting at the truth for awhile, that was not a deliberate lie of science as you are pretending. When science realized it was false, they immediately brought that information to the public. I'm still waiting for your religion to add a little more than that they were wrong to persecuted Galileo. And unlike science, it was the church that committed the abuse of Galileo. Again there is no similarity whatsoever of religion and science
Your statement:
"Both have had their share of goofs, science may move faster than religion but eventually they all are exposed."
Mistakes can be exposed, institutional lies are extremely difficult to expose. Scientists being human can be expected to make errors in their fields. Religion is supposed to consist of the word of a God, programmed and directed by those directed by that God, in the light of that God , they have no right to claim error; unless God make errors. The depth and horror of the actions excused as errors by religion, should not be soft peddled by calling them goofs
Your statement:
"Sure they have a comparison, I just did it! I see far more similarities between the two than differences. "
You have not given one similarity. I have given the only similarity they both consist of human beings
Your statement:
"Sure it does. Hypothesis, comparisons, theories, proofs, test/retest... are all contained within religious belief. Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity. "
None of that has to do with the truth of the basics of religion, it is just their bickering over the meaning of words of the composite lies of religion. What proof of anything has religion given?
Your statement:
"Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity.
Those billions could also survive without a belief, but criminal religion would not allow that. The numbers of atheist, were constantly eliminated by the evil religions. The number of victims who, those of your Church, is nothing more than an indication of the expanse of the criminal activity of religion
Your statement:
"and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity."
What an arrogant, criminal , slimy, false statement that is. Your filthy church oppressed and murdered most of them during the height of its power. The atheist survived in spite of evil Christianity's attempts to wipe them ou t, not because of the goodwill and generosity of the criminal church. It is still doing its utmost to keep atheist down, that and the continuous damaging of the minds of children by Christianity, is what keeps the number of atheist down.. But the atheist will survive and grow, for truth alone survives in the and. Religion is nothing more than an organization of evil, lying men
Your statement:
(Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements")
"It deals with statements, whether they are false or not is a subjective judgement."
Lies are not data subjective or otherwise. Science doesn't deal with the lies, it deals with facts
Your statement:
"Who are you to decide what is true or false for others?"
That question should be directed to your religion, not me. I do not decide what is false or true, reality does. Religion destroys, corrupts, perverts, censors the truth.. Religion constantly attempts to deny humanity the truth
Your statement:
"A false set of statements is still data and can be contained within a set. "
Data is information, lies are not information
Your statement:
"That's unfortunate. I find them extremely interesting. It simply amazes me how someone can have an alphabet of A, B, C, D, W, X, Y, Z, 3, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z and still function to great degree! That's what makes me wonder about you. You seem smart and I'm sure you function at a normal level... and yet if you stumble across this one area of hatred you are completely bonkers. lol "
I see you have posted your alphabet, I know you want me to straighten it out for you, but it will do you good to try to figure it out yourself. It is not unfortunate that I find them boring. That's good you keep on wondering about me, that way you will learn something. Hatred is just one of the many emotions of life, rarely a problem
Your statement:
"Yes by golly I did refer to it as delusional or paranoid or possibly both. People who are delusional or paranoid or possibly both do have an effect on me... they make me smile. "
I have an effect on you also
Your statement:
"It's delusional simply because you are sure it means plenty to me, although you have absolutely no way of knowing what effect it may or may not have. Delusions of Grandeur It's paranoid simply because you seem to have given a lot of thought to my response."
I am sure what I say means plenty to you, because I know human nature, I know what interest people. And you want to counter me to protect your religion The proof that I am right about you having so much interest in what I say, is your continued response . Now there is nothing delusional or paranoid about that, is there
Your statement:
"If trust is "I think so, I hope so"... then what is the thought and hope based on? Certainly not facts cause then there would be no need of thought or hope."
Trying to change the subject again, sleazy one. The subject was the difference between trust and belief, not facts. The thought is about what it is I am thinking about, the hope is my desire
Your statement:
"Belief is based on not knowing... I believe that God is alive and well. That statement is a belief. I trust that God is alive and well is essentially the same statement. My trust is based not on facts but upon belief in something."
Belief is more than (based) on not knowing, it is complete not knowing . You are believing what is based on nothing. Belief is claiming a fact while hoping. Hoping is working off of facts and past experience. Believing is a devious perversion of hoping, it is claiming as a fact that which it is hoping for, at the same time that it is hoping
Your statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in that while you want to split trust and belief... you essentially have both and deny one. Ever heard the story of the guy who jumped out of a plane while holding a piece of sod to his feet and repeating to himself that he couldn't possibly be falling cause his feet were firmly planted on dirt. Pot-Kettle"
Your hypocrisy is to say that I am splitting trust and belief, they are two separate things Your hypocrisy is pretending that they are not, two separate things. I do not have both, I do not deal with belief. Your paranoia deems that I have belief, by insisting that belief and trust are one and the same. They are not. That is just a worthless, meaningless situation that you describe. If the guy was so mentally disturbed that he could not understand that a little piece of sod is not the earth, what is the point. His problem like yours, is not dealing in facts.
Your statement:
"So you have no fear, but at the same time you can't be sure. You "trust/believe" the laws of physics even tho they can't explain how it works(collective hunch)."
I am not trusting anything moron, I said there are too many other more likely thing that can happen, to be concerned about flying of the earth
Your statement:
"I said you were confused because you demand an answer to an issue I hadn't addressed, didn't intend to address and still have no desire to address... and yet you continue to insist that I do such a thing. "
I demand that you answer a question that someone else asked you, because I did not want to to be able to avoid it. There is nothing confusing about that. You get into all this stupid bullshit, just so you can confuse the issue.. What did I insist that you do
Your statement:
"YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! page 4"
Don't pretend that the money you are (supposedly getting) for the number of posts you put forward , is why you are putting them forward. You are once again proving, how important what I say is to you.
Your statement:
"And the generally accepted meaning of God is the Christain God. That doesn't mean it's true tho. What is generally accepted means little to me personally. I suppose if you want to live your life by someone elses standards.... try some free thinking for a change... don't follow the herd."
What religion is not involved with a supernatural ? Free thinking is all I ever do, my mind is not chained to belief and religion. You should try some free thinking, and you should try to stop following the crowd
Your statement:
"Earlier in this thread when you attempted to twist my post to address lighteningcreationscience guys words. I have no intention of trying to defend what they said, nor am I real interested in discussing what they posted. I could be persuaded tho if MrSoul were to up the ante to maybe $5/pg for anything over 5 pages. Let me know"
Again I told you to answer a question that another poster asked you, that you ignored.. You should display my so called attempts to twist your posts to lighteningcreationscience. It would accomplish what you are so desperately trying to accomplish
Your statement:
"You are attempting to force me to discuss/defend lighteningsciencecreation guys posting of Biblical verses. Your repeated attempts to get me to answer for what they posted is proof of that. This continuing line of discussion is further proof. So quit it out already freddie."
I never attempted to get you to discuss our defend lighteningsciencecreation. You are all over the place, with your senseless babble and complete lies. None of your above babble is true. Why doesn't it bother you, that your God knows that you are lying? It would bother you, if you really believed in that God
Your statement:
"Then you aren't sorry for being confused? Or you aren't sorry you got caught at being confused?"
How can I be sorry for being confused, when I am not confused. Where did I get caught being confused?. Display an example of my confusion. You cannot lie my supposed confusion into existence, like you do your God
Your statement:
"If you wanna get snotty about it then I retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof. Nana Nana boo boo "
Try to think clearly now, how can you " retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof" when I did not apologize. The proof of which is your acceptance of my not apology. But then again I should keep reminding myself, of the low level mentality that I am dealing with.. What does my not apologizing prove?
Your statement:
"If you do lie then saying you don't lie would in itself be a lie, no? So prove you don't lie"
Yes that would be true genius. I don't have to prove anything. My statements are open, to be read by anyone interested.
Your statement:
"Please don't rush on my account, take yer time, use as many words as necessary and post as often as you feel you need to convey the complete idea. Errors are often the result of confusion."
Isn't it obvious to you, that I do exactly that? Yes often, but not in this case
Your statement:
"What you believe were my intentions may or may not have been, you'd have to ask rather than assume unless of course yer psychic"
It borders on the useless, to ask a devious liar about much of anything. But someone being a devious liar, is a great aid in figuring out much more about what he is
Your statement:
"When Jesus walked the earth He utilized completely perfect punctuation and spelling, well Him and that small group of His but they really didn't do much writing then."
How could you possibly know that? Yes therefore bringing up punctuation and spelling is moot
Your statement:
"Punctuation and spelling seemed to cover the type style of italics for me personally, it's all that grammar thing which I kinda detest."
Kindly keep information about yourself from me, I am not worthy of such information
Your statement:
"And you know I "do it for devious religious purposes" how? ESP?? Psychic???"
Because it is glaringly obvious
Your statement:
"If you can see no good that religion has done then you simply must have you haid in the ground. When I took food/clothing to those in need was that evil? When I paid for people to have heat in their homes that was evil? Oh what a horrible person I am! I should be horse whipped."
If you can read, why don't you understand what you read? I said as you well know, that when the apparent good is done for an underhanded reason, it ceases to be good concerning the givers, in spite of the fact that it benefits those it is given to. It's purpose is to create good PR for the church, and more importantly gives the church the opportunity to take advantage of the misfortune and insecurity of the victims; to impose its religious beliefs upon them while they are in their most susceptible position. It is extremely evil . Let them be holy and good, by giving the help and keep their beliefs to themselves. But they will not be that good will they
Your statement:
"We are constantly bombarded with the goofball antics of a very few in religion or even better the actions of those who live several hundred years ago as if we are to blame for their doings. I am accountable only for my actions. Simply because I'm an American doesn't mean I'm responsible for those who act crazy here."
You are Still repeating the same post, I have already answered over and over again. You have not condemned you religion for its actions in the past and present, (which you so sleazely soft pedal as goofball antics) instead you make excuses for those actions, you refuse to look upon it, as the evil institution it is. Instead you applaud it, you defend it verbally, and you support it financially. Your acceptance and support of that evil institution, makes you a willing participant in that evil
Your statement:
"So you agree with my religious concept! "
This my statement: (As I have said many times, good and bad are simply self serving titles humanity has assigned to promote what they like, and try to prevent what they don't like)
is not an agreement with this your statement, ""Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement.".
I made my statement before you made yours, you are simply trying to make a concocted agreement with my statements. The difference being that your statement is defining good or evil as a matter of individual subjectivity. My statement says there is no such thing as good or evil . And your statement is in no way , a religious concept
Your statement
"We weren't talking about this reality and titles... we were discussing my post to Starlight. You made the statement that my reply was unrelated and a false analogy. Your statement is subjective and a judgement based upon your beliefs"
This is what we were talking about devious one.""What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth"
to which I answered,
("Nonsense, this reality and the titles in uses of the things within it, are the same for you and everyone else on this earth.. Reality was not created by me or for me, thusly it is not a separate thing for or by me. My ( judgment) of it, had no part in its existence. Again I do not deal with (beliefs). I do not choose ( evidence), it cannot be a personal thing. You are completely dependent on the same reality that has always existed. And you are completely dependent today, on (facts) discovered centuries ago by others, proving that facts are not subject to individual acceptance or rejecting")
That is what you are supposedly posting in reference to, but you are playing your rotted devious games
Your statement:
"Objectively you can say that I made a statement.
" Subjectively you can make a judgement of that statement but it holds no weight or proof or fact. It's simply a crap statement."
I don't need you to tell me the meaning of subjectivity or objectivity
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#47450 - 07/10/06 05:08 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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MrSoul
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*I* -- only 23 more replies to go.
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#47452 - 07/10/06 08:06 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by Gimpy77: Originally posted by MrSoul: *I* -- only 23 more replies to go.
even I'M not reading all this stuff.....
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#47453 - 07/10/06 08:07 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Objectively you can say that I made a statement.
" Subjectively you can make a judgement of that statement but it holds no weight or proof or fact. It's simply a crap statement."
your statement:
"I don't need you to tell me the meaning of subjectivity or objectivity "
Okay, then let someone else do it. But please do learn the difference.
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#47454 - 07/10/06 08:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement
"We weren't talking about this reality and titles... we were discussing my post to Starlight. You made the statement that my reply was unrelated and a false analogy. Your statement is subjective and a judgement based upon your beliefs"
your statement:
"This is what we were talking about devious one.""What you consider to be obvious is simply a subjective judgement based on your personal beliefs founded on what you choose to consider as evidence of truth"
to which I answered,
("Nonsense, this reality and the titles in uses of the things within it, are the same for you and everyone else on this earth.. Reality was not created by me or for me, thusly it is not a separate thing for or by me. My ( judgment) of it, had no part in its existence. Again I do not deal with (beliefs). I do not choose ( evidence), it cannot be a personal thing. You are completely dependent on the same reality that has always existed. And you are completely dependent today, on (facts) discovered centuries ago by others, proving that facts are not subject to individual acceptance or rejecting")"
That is what you are supposedly posting in reference to, but you are playing your rotted devious games"
Ever taken reading comprehension? Karen made statement... I replied(this is the reality) you proceeded to make a subjective comment(belief) about that reality and determined that it was false(judging others now are we).
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#47455 - 07/10/06 08:12 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"So you agree with my religious concept! "
your statement:
"This my statement: (As I have said many times, good and bad are simply self serving titles humanity has assigned to promote what they like, and try to prevent what they don't like)
is not an agreement with this your statement, ""Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement.".
I made my statement before you made yours, you are simply trying to make a concocted agreement with my statements. The difference being that your statement is defining good or evil as a matter of individual subjectivity. My statement says there is no such thing as good or evil . And your statement is in no way , a religious concept "
Still sounds the same to me. Whether the concept is within your idea of religion isn't relevant to me... you seem to have a fairly skewed idea of religion(I hope that's not the first time you've heard that)
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#47456 - 07/10/06 08:13 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 4112
Loc: People's Republic of Amerika
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my statement:
"We are constantly bombarded with the goofball antics of a very few in religion or even better the actions of those who live several hundred years ago as if we are to blame for their doings. I am accountable only for my actions. Simply because I'm an American doesn't mean I'm responsible for those who act crazy here."
your statement:
"You are Still repeating the same post, I have already answered over and over again. You have not condemned you religion for its actions in the past and present, (which you so sleazely soft pedal as goofball antics) instead you make excuses for those actions, you refuse to look upon it, as the evil institution it is. Instead you applaud it, you defend it verbally, and you support it financially. Your acceptance and support of that evil institution, makes you a willing participant in that evil "
I do exactly as you do... I condemn the men who were responsible for those actions, just as you do with science. Pot < Kettle = black
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#47457 - 07/10/06 08:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"If you can see no good that religion has done then you simply must have you haid in the ground. When I took food/clothing to those in need was that evil? When I paid for people to have heat in their homes that was evil? Oh what a horrible person I am! I should be horse whipped."
your statement:
"If you can read, why don't you understand what you read? I said as you well know, that when the apparent good is done for an underhanded reason, it ceases to be good concerning the givers, in spite of the fact that it benefits those it is given to. It's purpose is to create good PR for the church, and more importantly gives the church the opportunity to take advantage of the misfortune and insecurity of the victims; to impose its religious beliefs upon them while they are in their most susceptible position. It is extremely evil . Let them be holy and good, by giving the help and keep their beliefs to themselves. But they will not be that good will they "
So were my actions good or evil? Again you are the one with psychic powers so this should be easy. I kinda like to know so I know whether you inted to harm me or not.
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#47458 - 07/10/06 08:17 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"And you know I "do it for devious religious purposes" how? ESP?? Psychic???"
your statement:
"Because it is glaringly obvious"
Again, either it's subjective crap or your psychic... glaringly obvious is not an option.
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#47459 - 07/10/06 08:18 PM
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Punctuation and spelling seemed to cover the type style of italics for me personally, it's all that grammar thing which I kinda detest."
your statement:
"Kindly keep information about yourself from me, I am not worthy of such information"
I'm kinda surprised you didn't already know it. I guess there are some blank spaces in a psychic mind.
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#47460 - 07/10/06 08:20 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"When Jesus walked the earth He utilized completely perfect punctuation and spelling, well Him and that small group of His but they really didn't do much writing then."
your statement:
"How could you possibly know that? Yes therefore bringing up punctuation and spelling is moot "
I guess the cats out of the bag... I'm psychic too! Naw... just pulling your leg a little... God is perfect, Jesus being God would have been perfect in every way.
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#47461 - 07/10/06 08:22 PM
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Davyd
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Whew!!!! page 5!
ya know there's gotta be an easier way to raise a few bucks....
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#47462 - 07/10/06 08:23 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"What you believe were my intentions may or may not have been, you'd have to ask rather than assume unless of course yer psychic"
your statement:
"It borders on the useless, to ask a devious liar about much of anything. But someone being a devious liar, is a great aid in figuring out much more about what he is"
So it's better to assume you already know than to humble yourself and ask. Starts with an "A" ends with "ant" so what's the word I'm thinking of here that describes your line of thinking? You being psychic and all this should be easy.
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#47463 - 07/10/06 08:25 PM
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Davyd
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my statement:
"Please don't rush on my account, take yer time, use as many words as necessary and post as often as you feel you need to convey the complete idea. Errors are often the result of confusion."
your statement:
"Isn't it obvious to you, that I do exactly that? Yes often, but not in this case"
Unlike you I don't claim to be psychic... I really couldn't tell you what your motive is in posting.
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#47464 - 07/10/06 08:26 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"If you do lie then saying you don't lie would in itself be a lie, no? So prove you don't lie"
your statement:
"Yes that would be true genius. I don't have to prove anything. My statements are open, to be read by anyone interested."
So we can all clearly see you are psychic, confused and refuse to apologize of obvious errors on your part. You really take this crap serious don't cha.. that's sad.
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#47465 - 07/10/06 08:28 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"If you wanna get snotty about it then I retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof. Nana Nana boo boo "
your statement:
"Try to think clearly now, how can you " retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof" when I did not apologize. The proof of which is your acceptance of my not apology. But then again I should keep reminding myself, of the low level mentality that I am dealing with.. What does my not apologizing prove?"
It's simple really... you apologized and then retracted that apology. I accepted your apology and then retracted my acceptance before you retracted your apology. Which proves you should have apologized for being confused, but apparently are to confused or arrogant to understand it.
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#47466 - 07/10/06 08:29 PM
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my statement:
"Then you aren't sorry for being confused? Or you aren't sorry you got caught at being confused?"
your statement:
"How can I be sorry for being confused, when I am not confused. Where did I get caught being confused?. Display an example of my confusion. You cannot lie my supposed confusion into existence, like you do your God"
I've already posted your confusion, are you confused again?!?
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#47467 - 07/10/06 08:30 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"You are attempting to force me to discuss/defend lighteningsciencecreation guys posting of Biblical verses. Your repeated attempts to get me to answer for what they posted is proof of that. This continuing line of discussion is further proof. So quit it out already freddie."
your statement:
"I never attempted to get you to discuss our defend lighteningsciencecreation. You are all over the place, with your senseless babble and complete lies. None of your above babble is true. Why doesn't it bother you, that your God knows that you are lying? It would bother you, if you really believed in that God"
Then what's with the words of God? I never mentioned them... the only person who did was lighteningcreationscience guy. It is senseless babble and yet... you still respond. Just can't let it go can ya.
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#47468 - 07/10/06 08:32 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Earlier in this thread when you attempted to twist my post to address lighteningcreationscience guys words. I have no intention of trying to defend what they said, nor am I real interested in discussing what they posted. I could be persuaded tho if MrSoul were to up the ante to maybe $5/pg for anything over 5 pages. Let me know"
your statement:
"Again I told you to answer a question that another poster asked you, that you ignored.. You should display my so called attempts to twist your posts to lighteningcreationscience. It would accomplish what you are so desperately trying to accomplish"
Who are you to tell me to do anything? Are you like a supernatural boss? Try asking... maybe I'll be in a good mood.
I've already displayed your posts and your attempts to twist things... it's painfully obvious to anyone who is stupid enough to read this crazy thread.
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#47469 - 07/10/06 08:34 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"And the generally accepted meaning of God is the Christain God. That doesn't mean it's true tho. What is generally accepted means little to me personally. I suppose if you want to live your life by someone elses standards.... try some free thinking for a change... don't follow the herd."
your statement:
"What religion is not involved with a supernatural ? Free thinking is all I ever do, my mind is not chained to belief and religion. You should try some free thinking, and you should try to stop following the crowd"
There are several meanings to religion... not all of them refer to a supernatural being. People get up, drink coffee and have a donut religiously. It's a set way of doing things. There's nothing supernatural about coffee or a donut even tho some believe/trust/hope there might be.
Your mind is chained to science. Tell me something that science says is correct that you disagree with.
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#47470 - 07/10/06 08:35 PM
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my statement:
"YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! page 4"
your statement:
"Don't pretend that the money you are (supposedly getting) for the number of posts you put forward , is why you are putting them forward. You are once again proving, how important what I say is to you."
lol Yea, that's why I've not responded to you for a couple years... yer just soooooooooo important to me. And yet when money is involved.... I'll respond. What a cowinkydink.
Are you saying MrSoul won't pay up?
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#47471 - 07/10/06 08:36 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Yes, I believe I only have an opinion not a corner on any truth. My opinion is called Christian I suppose because that's what other people refer to it as. IF Christianity has a corner on truth it's not readily apparent at this time. Perhaps in the life after this one? "
your statement:
"When other people refer to Christianity, they are not referring to your opinion. I think they as you, are simply blindly accepting the lie of your religion.. It is patently ridiculous of you to try and pretend that an institution of lies, that was created before you even existed is simply a matter of your opinion. If Christianity had a corner on the truth, it would be readily apparent. The truth does not play hide and seek. Your religion has no apparent truth for the same reason that other religions do not have any apparent truth, because they are lies.
So your God failed to assure you of any truth, you will only know for sure (you believe) when you are dead. The con game continues right through your death. But you can't be sure of that neither can you. You probably will have to be born again to know, whoops no, you will have to die again to know,. nope born again, die again, born again, die again etc. etc. etc. etc. By the time you get through, it won't matter anymore. And just think that all the while you really knew deep in your being, that it was all bullshit made up by men"
If indeed other people aren't referring to my opinion about Christianity then they shouldn't ask me questions about it. If they refer to general Christianity then they are referring to me if what other people call me can be trusted. So my opinion is quite valid.
The only thing the Christian has is hope. There are no guarantees.
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#47472 - 07/10/06 08:38 PM
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my statement:
"Out of all the religions combined, how many creators, hierarchy and proselytizers do you think there are? A percentage would do here."
your statement:
What difference does that make?
I was just interested in knowing how many folks you think are in this conspiracy plot to overthrow the world.
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#47473 - 07/10/06 08:39 PM
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my statement:
" And that percentage of the religious even tho they believe this "garbage" aren't evil, wicked or devious?"
your statement:
"The creators, the hierarchy are definitely evil and devious there may be some proselytizers, who believe what they are promoting. But That does not change the situation"
What situation is it that you are speaking of here? You do realize that most of the creators of the religious movements today are all long dead. Do you still hate them?
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#47474 - 07/10/06 08:40 PM
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my statement:
"Yeah, that's the reason the Piltdown Man was almost immediately revealed as a fake? lol How many decades did that one take again? Honest and Piltdown Man don't belong in the same sentence, I believe hoax would be more appropriate"
your statement:
"Are you blaming science for what A. few individual criminals did, those criminals prevented science from getting at the truth for awhile, that was not a deliberate lie of science as you are pretending. When science realized it was false, they immediately brought that information to the public. I'm still waiting for your religion to add a little more than that they were wrong to persecuted Galileo. And unlike science, it was the church that committed the abuse of Galileo. Again there is no similarity whatsoever of religion and science"
And this is somehow different than when religious men twist things to their own selfish desires? Seems to me this is just ANOTHER similarity between science and religion.
Galileo was a cool religious dude. If he hadn't gotten snotty about it he might not have wound up in quite so much trouble. Haste isn't always a good thing.
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#47475 - 07/10/06 08:41 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"I said you were confused because you demand an answer to an issue I hadn't addressed, didn't intend to address and still have no desire to address... and yet you continue to insist that I do such a thing. "
your statement:
"I demand that you answer a question that someone else asked you, because I did not want to to be able to avoid it. There is nothing confusing about that. You get into all this stupid bullshit, just so you can confuse the issue.. What did I insist that you do"
roflmao.... I you just insisted that I answer a question and then you ask what you insisted I do???????????????
So who was this mysterious person and what was the profound question they had to ask of me personally?
I would agree with the stupid bull shyt thing tho... You've surprised me yet again about the lengths you'll go to avoid not having the last word in a discussion.
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#47476 - 07/10/06 08:42 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Belief is based on not knowing... I believe that God is alive and well. That statement is a belief. I trust that God is alive and well is essentially the same statement. My trust is based not on facts but upon belief in something."
your statement:
"Belief is more than (based) on not knowing, it is complete not knowing . You are believing what is based on nothing. Belief is claiming a fact while hoping. Hoping is working off of facts and past experience. Believing is a devious perversion of hoping, it is claiming as a fact that which it is hoping for, at the same time that it is hoping "
What's the difference between not knowing and complete not knowing?
Belief claims no fact. If there were facts there would be no need of belief, nor hope. The fact is I ate yesterday and everyday before that since I was born. I have no idea whether I'll eat today or not. I believe I will... but I have no fact or proof of food in front of me to demonstrate. I hope I will eat... but again I have no food in front of me yet. The fact is I have seen God work in the past, but that doesn't say anything about today... I believe... I hope He will... but until it happens there are no tangible facts today.
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#47477 - 07/10/06 08:43 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Your hypocrisy lies in that while you want to split trust and belief... you essentially have both and deny one. Ever heard the story of the guy who jumped out of a plane while holding a piece of sod to his feet and repeating to himself that he couldn't possibly be falling cause his feet were firmly planted on dirt. Pot-Kettle"
your statement:
"Your hypocrisy is to say that I am splitting trust and belief, they are two separate things Your hypocrisy is pretending that they are not, two separate things. I do not have both, I do not deal with belief. Your paranoia deems that I have belief, by insisting that belief and trust are one and the same. They are not. That is just a worthless, meaningless situation that you describe. If the guy was so mentally disturbed that he could not understand that a little piece of sod is not the earth, what is the point. His problem like yours, is not dealing in facts."
So you are saying athiests are mentally disturbed???
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#47478 - 07/10/06 08:45 PM
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my statement:
"So you have no fear, but at the same time you can't be sure. You "trust/believe" the laws of physics even tho they can't explain how it works(collective hunch)."
your statement:
"I am not trusting anything moron, I said there are too many other more likely thing that can happen, to be concerned about flying of the earth"
So you don't trust yourself or science. And yet you claim to have a corner on truth. okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then.
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#47479 - 07/10/06 08:46 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"If trust is "I think so, I hope so"... then what is the thought and hope based on? Certainly not facts cause then there would be no need of thought or hope."
your confused statement:
"Trying to change the subject again, sleazy one. The subject was the difference between trust and belief, not facts. The thought is about what it is I am thinking about, the hope is my desire "
This response makes even less sense than your usual nonsense. You say there is a significant difference between hope/trust & belief. You have trust and hope that are based on nothing... and yet you want to believe that belief is based on nothing. Not only do I not see a difference here, a significant difference is a really loooong way down this rabbit trail.
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#47480 - 07/10/06 08:47 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"It's delusional simply because you are sure it means plenty to me, although you have absolutely no way of knowing what effect it may or may not have. Delusions of Grandeur It's paranoid simply because you seem to have given a lot of thought to my response."
your statement:
"I am sure what I say means plenty to you, because I know human nature, I know what interest people. And you want to counter me to protect your religion The proof that I am right about you having so much interest in what I say, is your continued response . Now there is nothing delusional or paranoid about that, is there"
lol So you are able to determine someones motive now???? That truly is an amazing feat! I knew people could guess at such a thing but to definitively state you can do it... is... uh... rather arrogant. You just ain't all that.
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#47481 - 07/10/06 08:48 PM
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my statement:
"Yes by golly I did refer to it as delusional or paranoid or possibly both. People who are delusional or paranoid or possibly both do have an effect on me... they make me smile. "
your statement:
"I have an effect on you also"
Yes, you make me smile.
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#47482 - 07/10/06 08:49 PM
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my statement:
"That's unfortunate. I find them extremely interesting. It simply amazes me how someone can have an alphabet of A, B, C, D, W, X, Y, Z, 3, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z and still function to great degree! That's what makes me wonder about you. You seem smart and I'm sure you function at a normal level... and yet if you stumble across this one area of hatred you are completely bonkers. lol "
"your statement:
I see you have posted your alphabet, I know you want me to straighten it out for you, but it will do you good to try to figure it out yourself. It is not unfortunate that I find them boring. That's good you keep on wondering about me, that way you will learn something. Hatred is just one of the many emotions of life, rarely a problem"
If you could straighten the mentally ill out you'd be remembered for all of eternity.
Hitler, Stalin, Lenin didn't really see a problem with their hatred either.
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#47483 - 07/10/06 08:50 PM
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my statement:
"A false set of statements is still data and can be contained within a set. "
your statement:
"Data is information, lies are not information"
So now statements are data... I thought so.
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#47484 - 07/10/06 08:51 PM
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my statement:
"How do you tell the difference between a non-evil religious person and an evil religious person? "
"I have no need to"
So you hate everyone who is religious and they are considered evil and devious.
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#47485 - 07/10/06 08:52 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Naw, I ain't buying it. 2+2=5 is always perverted. Whether it's premeditated or not is not relevant."
"It is always wrong not always perverted"
How could it be perverted and correct?
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#47486 - 07/10/06 08:53 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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my statement:
"Think about it this way, according to you if a feller has sex with a chicken and doesn't know it's perverted then according to you it's perfectly fine."
your statement:
"Where did I say that would be perfectly fine? What I said was that the desire was not preconceived therefore not false"
Again I don't see it being perverted and correct. For you to have sex with a chicken is always perverted and always wrong. You seem to be saying that when you have sex with a chicken it's alright cause you think it's not wrong.
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#47487 - 07/10/06 08:54 PM
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my statement:
" It's only when you know having sex with a chicken is perverted that it's a perversion? "
your statement:
"You are really trying to pervert completely what I said ; aren't you, lying soul. What I said was, ( a true perversion is not false?) . I was not defining perversion. You are trying to twist the subject over to perversion. You continually try to crawl more and more away from the main subject"
But if I am trying to pervert it and I don't have any premeditation of doing so then it's not false! It's perfectly fine for me to do so and you're getting all excited for nothing... which violates what you just said. Why would you get excited about a true perversion? Whether you were defining perversion or not is not relevant to me... I and I alone control what I think and say... if you want to control the discussion then have with yourself.
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#47488 - 07/10/06 08:55 PM
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my statement:
"That sounds amazingly similar to what the APA said when it changed the DSM criteria for pedophilia when it stated that it was a mental illness ONLY if you felt bad for doing it. It's always perverted, justifing and rationalizing it away is crazy talk."
your statement:
"It sounds that way because you purposefully tried to make it sound that way, by perverting what I said. Once again I said, ( a true perversion is not false?) "
I perverted nothing. If you weren't clear in what you said, that's your problem. I read the statement and it was quite obvious what you meant. I questioned you about it cause like a lot of other things you say it made no sense whatsoever. And now yer upset. Cry me a river.....
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#47489 - 07/10/06 08:56 PM
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my statement:
"Both have had their share of goofs, science may move faster than religion but eventually they all are exposed."
your statement:
"Mistakes can be exposed, institutional lies are extremely difficult to expose. Scientists being human can be expected to make errors in their fields. Religion is supposed to consist of the word of a God, programmed and directed by those directed by that God, in the light of that God , they have no right to claim error; unless God make errors. The depth and horror of the actions excused as errors by religion, should not be soft peddled by calling them goofs"
Instituational lies are more difficult to expose, that's why I said, "science may move faster than religion". So scientists are humans but religious men aren't? I'm not sure where you got the idea that God programmed and directed men. That violates the idea of free will doesn't it. I think this is another example of you making shyt up and then expecting someone else to defend it. Show me(book/chp/verse) where God programs people and then we'll talk.
How many people were killed by the atomic bombs? How many people have been killed by science thru abortion? I consider both science and religious mistakes or goofs if you will to be quite terrible. Focusing on one and ignoring the other seems even worse.
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#47490 - 07/10/06 08:57 PM
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my statement:
"Sure they have a comparison, I just did it! I see far more similarities between the two than differences. "
your statement:
"You have not given one similarity. I have given the only similarity they both consist of human beings"
Sure I did, you just ignored them to maintain your hate mongering proselytizing.
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#47491 - 07/10/06 08:58 PM
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my statement:
"Sure it does. Hypothesis, comparisons, theories, proofs, test/retest... are all contained within religious belief. Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity. "
your statement:
"None of that has to do with the truth of the basics of religion, it is just their bickering over the meaning of words of the composite lies of religion. What proof of anything has religion given?"
Sure they do... for those who understand religion. If you want to keep your mind closed about what you believe religion to be about tho, you'll absolutely be required to reject any mention of such things... which you just did. Not a big surprise here.
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#47492 - 07/10/06 08:59 PM
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your statement:
(Religion does not deal with data, it deals with false statements")
my statement:
"It deals with statements, whether they are false or not is a subjective judgement."
your statement:
"Lies are not data subjective or otherwise. Science doesn't deal with the lies, it deals with facts"
Statements are data, whether it's false or true is subjective. Scientists and the religious do reviews all the time We could use this thread to determine the number of times you said a certain word and postulate whether you are obssessed or not.
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#47493 - 07/10/06 09:00 PM
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my statement:
"Thousands may survive without a direct belief, but billions survive with a religious belief and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity.
your statement:
"Those billions could also survive without a belief, but criminal religion would not allow that. The numbers of atheist, were constantly eliminated by the evil religions. The number of victims who, those of your Church, is nothing more than an indication of the expanse of the criminal activity of religion"
Didn't they try that in Russia? And what was the result... other than the deaths of millions of religious folks who did nothing to harm anyone. But typically you either ignore it or lightly wave it away cause it wasn't you who did it. Amazing how you can switch so quickly between a system and individual beliefs when it suits your purpose.
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#47494 - 07/10/06 09:01 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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my statement:
"and athiests simply survive on their goodwill and generosity."
your statement:
"What an arrogant, criminal , slimy, false statement that is. Your filthy church oppressed and murdered most of them during the height of its power. The atheist survived in spite of evil Christianity's attempts to wipe them ou t, not because of the goodwill and generosity of the criminal church. It is still doing its utmost to keep atheist down, that and the continuous damaging of the minds of children by Christianity, is what keeps the number of atheist down.. But the atheist will survive and grow, for truth alone survives in the and. Religion is nothing more than an organization of evil, lying men"
lol I thought you'd get a kick outta that one.
So now religion is an organization of evil lying men... not just the creators, hierarchy or proselytizers but ALL men. Your hate really has no boundaries does it.
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#47495 - 07/10/06 09:02 PM
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Davyd
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Well.... alrighty then MrSoul.. that'll be one dollar please.
Only 179 more pages to go!!!!!
Whooooo
Hoooooo
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#47496 - 07/11/06 07:34 AM
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kimberleyb
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Originally posted by Davyd:
So now religion is an organization of evil lying men... not just the creators, hierarchy or proselytizers but ALL men. Your hate really has no boundaries does it.
Yes.. religion IS an organization of evil lying men - made up by men and propagated by men to stop women from naming the price of cows
Why is reason considered hate? Oh, wait, I already know.. when the reason trumps your make believe - when people refuse to believe in tripe and myths in favor of KNOWLEDGE..
yup - sure is hateful.. all that KNOWLEDGE.. :rolleyes:
I think all you creepy religious people should go somewhere that you don't bother the rest of us and just wallow in your piety - completely free of the restraints of science and anything else that isn't religion based. I'm sure your god will bring you things in reward... like typhoid, bigotry, patriarchism, hatred and debasement of women, etc etc etc.. oh, wait.. there already IS a place like that.. it's called the middle east...
I for one sure can't wait to get my very own filthy rag.. :rolleyes:
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#47497 - 07/11/06 12:24 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
you've FINALLY got it.
I've had it for quite a while. "I" says it's only the creators, hierarchy and proselytizers but in fact he, like you, hate everyone who has any sort of religious belief.
At least you have the guts to stand up and say it.
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#47498 - 07/11/06 12:29 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
Yes.. religion IS an organization of evil lying men - made up by men and propagated by men to stop women from naming the price of cows
Ya'll just make this shyt up as you go don't cha
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#47499 - 07/11/06 12:33 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
Why is reason considered hate? Oh, wait, I already know.. when the reason trumps your make believe - when people refuse to believe in tripe and myths in favor of KNOWLEDGE..
I do think people get a little testy when they are told what they should or shouldn't believe tho.
Are you also fearful of flying off the face of the earth?
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#47500 - 07/11/06 12:35 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
yup - sure is hateful.. all that KNOWLEDGE.. :rolleyes:
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#47501 - 07/11/06 12:38 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
I think all you creepy religious people should go somewhere that you don't bother the rest of us and just wallow in your piety - completely free of the restraints of science and anything else that isn't religion based. I'm sure your god will bring you things in reward... like typhoid, bigotry, patriarchism, hatred and debasement of women, etc etc etc.. oh, wait.. there already IS a place like that.. it's called the middle east...
How bout we just send the really extreme folks somewhere? Ya know the ones that do all that hating.
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#47502 - 07/11/06 12:40 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
I for one sure can't wait to get my very own filthy rag.. :rolleyes:
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#47503 - 07/11/06 12:46 PM
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StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by kimberleyb:
you've FINALLY got it. I've had it for quite a while.
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#47504 - 07/11/06 12:51 PM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel: Originally posted by Davyd: Originally posted by kimberleyb:
you've FINALLY got it. I've had it for quite a while.
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#47505 - 07/12/06 07:21 AM
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kimberleyb
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you are so addled that you can't tell the difference between hate and derision.
I don't hate your religion, I think it's a farce and to hear people talk about it as though it's real is the biggest joke of all.
The problem is with the undeveloped intellects and the mob mentality that ALWAYS follows this type of unsophisticated belief system - and any other belief system that is based on invisible people, gobbledygook and ogres.
It's sheer mindlessness.
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#47506 - 07/12/06 07:23 AM
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kimberleyb
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See, thats the difference between myself and you.
I don't need your god to get me kitchen supplies, I can get my OWN.
There is NOTHING your god can do that I can't do for myself.
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#47507 - 07/12/06 08:47 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
you are so addled that you can't tell the difference between hate and derision.
I don't hate your religion, I think it's a farce and to hear people talk about it as though it's real is the biggest joke of all.
The problem is with the undeveloped intellects and the mob mentality that ALWAYS follows this type of unsophisticated belief system - and any other belief system that is based on invisible people, gobbledygook and ogres.
It's sheer mindlessness.
My intellect isn't undeveloped; I'll match it with anyone here. I can also deconstruct religion with the best of them (such as any atheist, since I was raised as one) and I can throw around Lacanian theory and match Dowdy's Foucaultian ramblings, if necessary. In fact, I go to another board, regularly, where I engage their postmodern narrative with zeal. It's fun! Religion, philosophy and theology are my hobbies, just as you like to ski. I wouldn't say it's foolish or stupid for you to ski, although I don't see the reason for it, any more than you see the reason for religion. Still, I think people should be free to pursue what they like, even if the reasons for this are incomprehensible to me.
You sound prejudiced against all Christians. Christians, Wiccans, atheists and everyone else, are as varied as any other social grouping. Generalizing is a risky endeavor. I don't generalize that all skiiers are silly, but rather, that they are enjoying an activity I don't quite understand. I wish atheists/agnostics would take the same attitude with us.
If the disagreements are political (over what the religious right is doing), I assure you, I have them too. I am quite knowledgable about the religious right, and have also studied THEM in depth.
All Christians are not intellectually inferior or insane, a charge *I* has repeatedly made, and which is grossly unfair.
I find it particularly amusing from someone who thinks Sigmund Freud was a closet Christian (as *I* does).
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#47508 - 07/12/06 08:49 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
See, thats the difference between myself and you.
I don't need your god to get me kitchen supplies, I can get my OWN.
There is NOTHING your god can do that I can't do for myself.
Why look down on people who admit we need religion?
I don't look down on people who need to ski.
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#47509 - 07/12/06 09:18 AM
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SteveGIMP
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I had a friend in high school who was some kind of uber Dungeon Master. He knew Dungeons & Dragons inside and out, could talk about it all day long, and run circles around anyone concerning the subject. He was pretty proud of himself and others seemed impressed as well.
But dragons are still just make believe and wizards are still just fantasy.
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#47510 - 07/12/06 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
See, thats the difference between myself and you.
I don't need your god to get me kitchen supplies, I can get my OWN.
There is NOTHING your god can do that I can't do for myself.
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#47511 - 07/12/06 09:33 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by SteveGIMP: I had a friend in high school who was some kind of uber Dungeon Master. He knew Dungeons & Dragons inside and out, could talk about it all day long, and run circles around anyone concerning the subject. He was pretty proud of himself and others seemed impressed as well.
But dragons are still just make believe and wizards are still just fantasy.
When you study religion in depth, you also learn all of these things.
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#47513 - 07/12/06 09:55 AM
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kimberleyb
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touche on the skiing comment TJ
I don't take anything away from the knowledge of religion, but I have no use whatsoever for people who try to convince me that the bogeyman is real
there's a difference between studying religion and being religious
religion as a purely intellectual subject is interesting, especially when you look at the actual beliefs - since they are ALL laughable to people who aren't stuck in it
but religion as a way of life in any other fashion than choosing to be godlike in your own mind is not viable since it's based on myths, misconceptions and frankly, lies that are completely provable as lies from the very onset.
the earth was NOT created in 7 days.. how could there BE days if there wasn't an earth with rotation around the sun?
and that being the case - where is the explanation for the sun since that is the result of "let there be light" which - today - even a child can make happen with the simple flick of a switch
and then one of the main tenets - risen from the dead
there is NO WAY that ANYONE came back from being dead after three days -
today they can revive people depending on the situation of their death but that's a recent advance made by medicine and science
I don't care how many people believe it, it is still not true. Look at how many people believed ken lay and bought into enron.. ALL wrong..
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#47515 - 07/12/06 10:57 AM
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Davyd
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Originally posted by kimberleyb:
you are so addled that you can't tell the difference between hate and derision.
I don't hate your religion, I think it's a farce and to hear people talk about it as though it's real is the biggest joke of all.
The problem is with the undeveloped intellects and the mob mentality that ALWAYS follows this type of unsophisticated belief system - and any other belief system that is based on invisible people, gobbledygook and ogres.
It's sheer mindlessness.
I don't see why feeding the poor, clothing the poor or finding them shelter deserves to be hated or ridiculed?
Originally posted by MrSoul:
You sound prejudiced against all Christians. Christians, Wiccans, atheists and everyone else, are as varied as any other social grouping. Generalizing is a risky endeavor. I don't generalize that all skiiers are silly, but rather, that they are enjoying an activity I don't quite understand. I wish atheists/agnostics would take the same attitude with us.
A respectful tolerance would be to much to ask for?
Originally posted by MrSoul:
If the disagreements are political (over what the religious right is doing), I assure you, I have them too. I am quite knowledgable about the religious right, and have also studied THEM in depth.
Agreed, although I've not studied them... I actually have neither the time nor interest. Get a OUTDOOR hobby TJ.
Originally posted by MrSoul:
All Christians are not intellectually inferior or insane, a charge *I* has repeatedly made, and which is grossly unfair.
TJ if you get the time I've been posting on a liberal Christian board that is very well moderated(no personal attacks). It's really quite fun, we have a few conservative folks, quite a few uber liberal folks and even mix of liberal/conservative atheists. It's amazing how well everyone gets along when respect is applied.
PS: You now owe me $2
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#47516 - 07/12/06 12:20 PM
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Your statement:
"Okay, then let someone else do it. But please do learn the difference."
I know the meanings of subjectivity and objectivity
Your statement:
"Ever taken reading comprehension? Karen made statement... I replied(this is the reality) you proceeded to make a subjective comment(belief) about that reality and determined that it was false(judging others now are we)."
Why not post the statement I made, and your reply to that statement. That way everyone including yourself, can understand what you are talking about
Your statement:
"Still sounds the same to me. Whether the concept is within your idea of religion isn't relevant to me... you seem to have a fairly skewed idea of religion(I hope that's not the first time you've heard that) "
My statement, (there is no such thing as good or evil) is not the same as your statement, ""Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement.". Being irrational , you cannot see that your statement insists that good and evil exist subjectively, my statement insists that there is no such thing as good and evil; big difference. And your good or evil is based on that religion, that makes your statement religious
Your statement:
"I do exactly as you do... I condemn the men who were responsible for those actions, just as you do with science"
No you are condemning all of science, for what A. few scientists have done, without the knowledge of any of the other scientists. What Christianity has done for hundreds of years, was not done by A. few Christians, and most Christians not only knew what was going on but endless numbers participated in what was going on. Big difference. I blame Christians of today for reasons I have already explained, and for their not objecting to Christianity continually breaking the laws of this country and committing treason.
Your statement:
"So were my actions good or evil? Again you are the one with psychic powers so this should be easy. I kinda like to know so I know whether you inted to harm me or not."
Don't try the devious attempt to replace the subject of what religion has done, with what you have done. It depends on your motives. Were you doing it because your God said you should? Were you doing it to get a seat in heaven? Were you doing it out of compassion? If you are going to say all three, that minimizes your compassion, as compared to one who does it out of nothing but compassion. Where did the nonsense of " I kinda like to know so I know whether you inted to harm me or not." Come from?. Are You attempting to imply or suggest that I threatened you?
Your statement:
"Again, either it's subjective crap or your psychic... glaringly obvious is not an option."
It is an option I have taken
Your statement:
"I'm kinda surprised you didn't already know it. I guess there are some blank spaces in a psychic mind."
Do you think I waste my time, keeping track of your punctuation and spelling?
Your statement:
"I guess the cats out of the bag... I'm psychic too! Naw... just pulling your leg a little... God is perfect, Jesus being God would have been perfect in every way"
He didn't have perfect trust in his daddy, did he." Why hast thou forsaken me". I guess this world must be absolutely perfect also, being the work of a perfect being
Your statement:
"So it's better to assume you already know than to humble yourself and ask. Starts with an "A" ends with "ant" so what's the word I'm thinking of here that describes your line of thinking? You being psychic and all this should be easy"
I don't simply assume. When one asks a liar for information about himself, one is not humbling oneself one is making a fool of himself. I am not interested in your games
Your statement:
"Unlike you I don't claim to be psychic... I really couldn't tell you what your motive is in posting."
I have never claimed to be psychic, you are claiming that I am a psychic. Trying to change the subject again, to my motive for posting?
Your statement:
"So we can all clearly see you are psychic, confused and refuse to apologize of obvious errors on your part. You really take this crap serious don't cha.. that's sad. "
Speak for yourself, not for everyone else. That is simply your erroneous conclusion. I have nothing to apologize for. I have made one error, and there is no need to apologize for it. You obviously take it as seriously as I do
Your statement:
(Try to think clearly now, how can you " retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof" when I did not apologize. The proof of which is your acceptance of my not apology. But then again I should keep reminding myself, of the low level mentality that I am dealing with.. What does my not apologizing prove?)
"It's simple really... you apologized and then retracted that apology. I accepted your apology and then retracted my acceptance before you retracted your apology. Which proves you should have apologized for being confused, but apparently are to confused or arrogant to understand it."
Can you possibly show were I apologized, and then retracted it? So according to you, I apologized, and then I retracted that apology. But according to you, you rejected your acceptance of my apology, before I retracted my apology.. What was the sense of that? Oh yes I must keep remembering, that the mentally ill do not make sense. In the rest of your statement, "Which proves you should have apologized for being confused, but apparently are to confused or arrogant to understand it." Is complete insane babble
Your statement:
"I've already posted your confusion, are you confused again?!? "
You have never posted any indication of my supposed confusion, because there is none
Your statement:
"Then what's with the words of God? I never mentioned them... the only person who did was lighteningcreationscience guy. It is senseless babble and yet... you still respond. Just can't let it go can ya."
Again I was referring to your religious statements, dealing with your religion is dealing with your God.
Your statement:
"Who are you to tell me to do anything? Are you like a supernatural boss? Try asking... maybe I'll be in a good mood."
I have demanded only that you reply to a question that someone asked you, which you in your deviousness just ignored. I am asking you to present the examples of your accusations about me. There is nothing supernatural about that.
Your statement:
"I've already displayed your posts and your attempts to twist things... it's painfully obvious to anyone who is stupid enough to read this crazy thread"
That is a complete lie
Your statement:
"There are several meanings to religion... not all of them refer to a supernatural being. People get up, drink coffee and have a donut religiously. It's a set way of doing things. There's nothing supernatural about coffee or a donut even tho some believe/trust/hope there might be."
I know about the other meetings of religion, that is not the point. My question to you was, (What religion is not involved with a supernatural ). Answer it, instead of trying to get off the subject
Your statement:
"Your mind is chained to science. Tell me something that science says is correct that you disagree with. "
That the Big Bang was the beginning of time, that the speed of light cannot be varied, that speed changes the rate of time, etc.
Your statement:
"Are you saying MrSoul won't pay up?"
Again you don't seem to understand what you read, I said that the money was not the reason that you are replying to me. I gave the real reason. I put into parenthesis something to the effect of whether you are getting the money or not, meaning that I do not know whether he is really going to give you money or not.
Your statement:
"If indeed other people aren't referring to my opinion about Christianity then they shouldn't ask me questions about it. If they refer to general Christianity then they are referring to me if what other people call me can be trusted. So my opinion is quite valid."
Madman I didn't say other people were referring to your opinion about Christianity. You said your belief in Christianity was only your opinion, which of course is a lie. So I said when people refer to Christianity ( as you were), they are not referring to your opinion, meaning that Christianity is not an opinion. Don't try to keep twisting everything around, I know that is how you Christian get away with everything
Your statement:
"The only thing the Christian has is hope. There are no guarantees."
So when they burned people at the stake, and otherwise tortured them, they did it only in the hope that it would save their souls? I guess they were also just hoping, that that was the way to do it
Your statement:
"I was just interested in knowing how many folks you think are in this conspiracy plot to overthrow the world."
Again what is the hang up with numbers, it is power, deviousness, and fear, that count
Your statement:
"What situation is it that you are speaking of here? You do realize that most of the creators of the religious movements today are all long dead. Do you still hate them? "
They have ceased to exist, you cannot hate what does not exist
Your statement:
"And this is somehow different than when religious men twist things to their own selfish desires? Seems to me this is just ANOTHER similarity between science and religion."
Absolutely different. Religion does not consist of a few individuals, it is a worldwide organization accepted by its members.. It is not a matter of a few individuals twisting things to their own selfish desires. The creation of religion and gods is itself,a matter of individuals twisting things to their own selfish desires. That is what religion is invented for. Individual scientists cannot possibly, twist science into their own selfish desires.
Your statement:
"Galileo was a cool religious dude. If he hadn't gotten snotty about it he might not have wound up in quite so much trouble. Haste isn't always a good thing."
You mean if he had given in to the scum, they would not have abused him. If he had just let the church hide the truth from humanity long enough to corrupt and pervert its into something that would make Christianity look correct, he would have been OK. Christianity criminally abused a scientist for telling the truth, because the truth exposes religion for the criminal farce that it is
Your statement:
"roflmao.... I you just insisted that I answer a question and then you ask what you insisted I do??????????????? "
Lie, you said I insisted that you do much more than that.
Your statement:
"So who was this mysterious person and what was the profound question they had to ask of me personally?"
Explain what it is, that you are talking about
Your statement:
"I would agree with the stupid bull shyt thing tho... You've surprised me yet again about the lengths you'll go to avoid not having the last word in a discussion."
Again, what are you talking about?
Your statement:
"What's the difference between not knowing and complete not knowing?"
Devious one, you leave out words to change the meaning . You said" based" on not knowing. There is a big difference between something that is simply" based" on not knowing, and something being completely not knowing. The" based" implies something known being involved, that's why you left the" based" out of the above
Your statement:
"Belief claims no fact. If there were facts there would be no need of belief, nor hope. The fact is I ate yesterday and everyday before that since I was born. I have no idea whether I'll eat today or not. I believe I will... but I have no fact or proof of food in front of me to demonstrate. I hope I will eat... but again I have no food in front of me yet. The fact is I have seen God work in the past, but that doesn't say anything about today... I believe... I hope He will... but until it happens there are no tangible facts today"
You are not a religion, and your natural everyday activities are not based on beliefs. Your religious beliefs, claim everything that your religion claims.
Your statement:
"So you are saying athiests are mentally disturbed???"
Where did you get that, stop your delusional nonsense
Your statement:
"So you don't trust yourself or science. And yet you claim to have a corner on truth."
Seething, decrepit, perverter of truth, I did not say I did not trust science or myself., I said; ("I am not trusting anything moron, I said there are too many other things more likely to happen, to be concerned about flying of the earth) That was in reference to my attitude towards flying of the earth. It was not a matter of trusting or not trusting anything, it was simply too small a matter to be concerned about. You have an extreme lack of comprehension of what you read
Your statement:
"This response makes even less sense than your usual nonsense. You say there is a significant difference between hope/trust & belief."
Now why did you throw in the word ( hope) devious one? I was talking about the difference between trust and belief. And there is an obvious difference in them
Your statement:
"You have trust and hope that are based on nothing... and yet you want to believe that belief is based on nothing. Not only do I not see a difference here, a significant difference is a really loooong way down this rabbit trail."
Will your filthy lies ever end? My trust is in, science, nature, and myself. And I know that belief is based on nothing but lies and desire. You do not accept the difference, because you are faking it, or you are ill
Your statement:
"lol So you are able to determine someones motive now???? That truly is an amazing feat! I knew people could guess at such a thing but to definitively state you can do it... is... uh... rather arrogant. You just ain't all that."
Well you obviously are pretending that you can determine so much about me, what's the big deal about me determining things about you. No really you don't say, I am not all that. Why don't you stop determining about me, if you object to me determining about you?.
Your statement:
"If you could straighten the mentally ill out you'd be remembered for all of eternity."
I am trying to do exactly that, but I am not interested in being remembered
Your statement:
"Hitler, Stalin, Lenin didn't really see a problem with their hatred either."
Why did you leave out the popes? And why did you leave out the millions of everyday people, will have had no real problem with their hatred
Your statement:
"So now statements are data... I thought so."
Not if they are lies
Your statement:
"So you hate everyone who is religious and they are considered evil and devious."
Why do you keep lying, I said I do not hate the mentally ill , true believers. And there are many Christians who are my friends
Your statement:
"How could it be perverted and correct?
Distorting my statements again, I said not dishonest not premeditated. I did not say correct
Your statement:
"Again I don't see it being perverted and correct. For you to have sex with a chicken is always perverted and always wrong. You seem to be saying that when you have sex with a chicken it's alright cause you think it's not wrong."
I did not say anything was correct. I said, (the desire was not preconceived therefore not false). That is not the same as saying that something is alright, because the one doing it doesn't think it's wrong. Again try to pay attention to what is being said, instead of perverting it into your desired outcome
Your statement:
"But if I am trying to pervert it and I don't have any premeditation of doing so then it's not false! It's perfectly fine for me to do so "
No, because it is not false that you want to murder someone, the fact that it is not false does not mean it is all right to do it.. Why are you pretending that there is no difference between true and false, and right and wrong?
Your statement:
"which violates what you just said. Why would you get excited about a true perversion? Whether you were defining perversion or not is not relevant to me"
Where did I get excited? You are pretending hideous one, that I was defining perversion. I was simply saying, that it was not false. Your pretending that I was defining perversion was very relevant to you, that's why you are pretending that was the subject
Your statement:
"if you want to control the discussion then have with yourself. "
I am not trying to control the discussion moron, I am replying to you and your twisting confusing tactics and lies, which you are trying to use to control the arguments
Your statement:
"I perverted nothing. If you weren't clear in what you said, that's your problem. I read the statement and it was quite obvious what you meant. I questioned you about it cause like a lot of other things you say it made no sense whatsoever. And now yer upset. Cry me a rive"
Get off the senseless, confusing, babble. I am always clear in what I say. You are the one purposefully confusing the issue, changing the subject, going over and over again the same items, lying, etc. etc. Why do you constantly try to hide what it is that you are accusing me of?.. What did I mean, mean about what? You know how much sense I make, that's why it is extremely important for you to keep replying to me.
Your statement:
"Instituational lies are more difficult to expose, that's why I said, "science may move faster than religion".
Science moves faster than religion, because it is after the truth. Religion does not move unless it is forced to, because religion' s game is to protect its lies
Your statement:
"". So scientists are humans but religious men aren't? "
You have to be out of your ****ng mind, that's the one and only thing that I said science and religion have in common. But that statement is simply more of your slimy, devious, lying, confusing, tactics. You make a rotting corpse, smell like a rose
Your statement:
"I'm not sure where you got the idea that God programmed and directed men. That violates the idea of free will doesn't it. I think this is another example of you making shyt up and then expecting someone else to defend it. Show me(book/chp/verse) where God programs people and then we'll talk."
Because he programmed and directed everything didn't he? That's why there is no real free will. Freewill is just a religious tactic to blame the human victims for what their God has caused to happen to them. So what did I make up imbecile? Did I say that a God created everything, knows everything, and controls everything? Did I say there was such a thing as Freewill. No I did not, that is just another contradiction of the mentally ill believers. Get off your arrogant delusions of grandeur, I have no desire to talk to you. I am forced to in the cause of truth
Your statement:
"How many people were killed by the atomic bombs? How many people have been killed by science thru abortion? I consider both science and religious mistakes or goofs if you will to be quite terrible. Focusing on one and ignoring the other seems even worse."
Those miracle weapon given by your God through his" gift" of science, were used by the Christian controlled American politicians and military. Science is not responsible, for how the results of their knowledge is used. Do you blame the scientists who created the weapons that Christianity used to invade and annihilate societies, to torture and murder men women and children; on the scientists who invented the tools and weapons used?. Did the scientists force Christianity to use the weapons and tools? Stop attempting again, to equate science and religion. Stop pretending that the crimes of religion were mistakes. They were well-planned and continue to take place. I am not ignoring either one. The Christian Religion is to blame, for what it does and has done. Scientists cannot be blamed, for what others do with their information
Your statement:
"Sure I did, you just ignored them to maintain your hate mongering proselytizing."
You presented nothing but the collecting, dispensing, and agreements and disagreements of the lies of religion as data, in a false attempt to equate that with the collecting, dispensing, and theories of science. Equating human activities, is not equating religion and science.
Your statement:
"Sure they do... for those who understand religion. If you want to keep your mind closed about what you believe religion to be about tho, you'll absolutely be required to reject any mention of such things... which you just did. Not a big surprise here"
I understand religion completely, it is false criminal garbage designed to control humanity for the benefit of those who created the religion, and those who keep it going. You are the one dealing with a closed mind, you have closed your mind to truth, reality, and sanity. What am I rejecting to mention?
Your statement:
"Statements are data, whether it's false or true is subjective. Scientists and the religious do reviews all the time We could use this thread to determine the number of times you said a certain word and postulate whether you are obssessed or not."
Lies and truth are not subjective, they are absolute. Data is information, a lie presents no real information, thus it is not data
Your statement:
("Those billions could also survive without a belief, but criminal religion would not allow that. The numbers of atheist, were constantly eliminated by the evil religions. The number of victims who, those of your Church, is nothing more than an indication of the expanse of the criminal activity of religion)
"Didn't they try that in Russia? And what was the result... other than the deaths of millions of religious folks who did nothing to harm anyone. But typically you either ignore it or lightly wave it away cause it wasn't you who did it. Amazing how you can switch so quickly between a system and individual beliefs when it suits your purpose."
Amazing how you are completely ignoring the first part of my statement, ("Those billions could also survive without a belief). That was the subject. What the Russian did is another subject completely. Your twisted mind must continually get back to the Russians, because you want to continue to blame the atheist for what the Russian leader of the time did. The Christians annihilated those with and without religious beliefs, they did not intend to let anyone get away with not being a Christian. Back to the subject, all those who live with religion could have and can, live happily and content without it
Your statement:
"So now religion is an organization of evil lying men... not just the creators, hierarchy or proselytizers but ALL men. Your hate really has no boundaries does it."
You know, I am talking about the creators and leaders of religion, I have changed nothing. Your making a big deal about what particular words I use like (organization) is just another devious attempt to get onto another subject
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#47517 - 07/12/06 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Okay, then let someone else do it. But please do learn the difference."
I know the meanings of subjectivity and objectivity
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#47518 - 07/12/06 01:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Ever taken reading comprehension? Karen made statement... I replied(this is the reality) you proceeded to make a subjective comment(belief) about that reality and determined that it was false(judging others now are we)."
Why not post the statement I made, and your reply to that statement. That way everyone including yourself, can understand what you are talking about
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#47519 - 07/12/06 01:18 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Still sounds the same to me. Whether the concept is within your idea of religion isn't relevant to me... you seem to have a fairly skewed idea of religion(I hope that's not the first time you've heard that) "
My statement, (there is no such thing as good or evil) is not the same as your statement, ""Things simply are... whether they are good or bad is a subjective judgement.". Being irrational , you cannot see that your statement insists that good and evil exist subjectively, my statement insists that there is no such thing as good and evil; big difference. And your good or evil is based on that religion, that makes your statement religious
adj.
Existing only in the mind; illusory.
Good and evil exist, you tell me that all the time cause religious men are evil remember?
It's subjective tho cause it's dependent upon the observers frame of reference, not any facts.
Thus your statement was subjective crap. *crap* is also a subjective term
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#47520 - 07/12/06 04:02 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"I do exactly as you do... I condemn the men who were responsible for those actions, just as you do with science"
No you are condemning all of science, for what A. few scientists have done, without the knowledge of any of the other scientists. What Christianity has done for hundreds of years, was not done by A. few Christians, and most Christians not only knew what was going on but endless numbers participated in what was going on. Big difference. I blame Christians of today for reasons I have already explained, and for their not objecting to Christianity continually breaking the laws of this country and committing treason.
Christianity doesn't break laws - people break laws.
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#47521 - 07/12/06 04:08 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"So were my actions good or evil? Again you are the one with psychic powers so this should be easy. I kinda like to know so I know whether you inted to harm me or not."
Don't try the devious attempt to replace the subject of what religion has done, with what you have done. It depends on your motives. Were you doing it because your God said you should? Were you doing it to get a seat in heaven? Were you doing it out of compassion? If you are going to say all three, that minimizes your compassion, as compared to one who does it out of nothing but compassion. Where did the nonsense of " I kinda like to know so I know whether you inted to harm me or not." Come from?. Are You attempting to imply or suggest that I threatened you?
What I do is my religion - belief/thought taking action. So when you say Christianity is evil you are saying my actions are evil. Which begs the question, what exactly was evil about feeding/clothing/housing the poor?
Considering your continual unjustified tirades against Christians... it's hard to tell exactly whose safe and whose not around you.
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#47522 - 07/12/06 04:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Again, either it's subjective crap or your psychic... glaringly obvious is not an option."
It is an option I have taken
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#47523 - 07/12/06 04:12 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"I'm kinda surprised you didn't already know it. I guess there are some blank spaces in a psychic mind."
Do you think I waste my time, keeping track of your punctuation and spelling?
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#47524 - 07/12/06 04:14 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"I guess the cats out of the bag... I'm psychic too! Naw... just pulling your leg a little... God is perfect, Jesus being God would have been perfect in every way"
He didn't have perfect trust in his daddy, did he." Why hast thou forsaken me". I guess this world must be absolutely perfect also, being the work of a perfect being
Initially it was perfect and then things went skewy. Not to worry tho.. things will return to perfection at some point.
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#47525 - 07/12/06 04:17 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"So it's better to assume you already know than to humble yourself and ask. Starts with an "A" ends with "ant" so what's the word I'm thinking of here that describes your line of thinking? You being psychic and all this should be easy"
I don't simply assume. When one asks a liar for information about himself, one is not humbling oneself one is making a fool of himself. I am not interested in your games
You are interested enough to continue posting.
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#47526 - 07/12/06 04:20 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Unlike you I don't claim to be psychic... I really couldn't tell you what your motive is in posting."
I have never claimed to be psychic, you are claiming that I am a psychic. Trying to change the subject again, to my motive for posting?
Either you can and do, or you can't and still do(which makes you much worse than simply being psychic)
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#47527 - 07/12/06 04:24 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"So we can all clearly see you are psychic, confused and refuse to apologize of obvious errors on your part. You really take this crap serious don't cha.. that's sad. "
Speak for yourself, not for everyone else. That is simply your erroneous conclusion. I have nothing to apologize for. I have made one error, and there is no need to apologize for it. You obviously take it as seriously as I do
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#47528 - 07/12/06 04:26 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
(Try to think clearly now, how can you " retract my acceptance of your apology and accept your nonapology as proof" when I did not apologize. The proof of which is your acceptance of my not apology. But then again I should keep reminding myself, of the low level mentality that I am dealing with.. What does my not apologizing prove?)
"It's simple really... you apologized and then retracted that apology. I accepted your apology and then retracted my acceptance before you retracted your apology. Which proves you should have apologized for being confused, but apparently are to confused or arrogant to understand it."
Can you possibly show were I apologized, and then retracted it? So according to you, I apologized, and then I retracted that apology. But according to you, you rejected your acceptance of my apology, before I retracted my apology.. What was the sense of that? Oh yes I must keep remembering, that the mentally ill do not make sense. In the rest of your statement, "Which proves you should have apologized for being confused, but apparently are to confused or arrogant to understand it." Is complete insane babble
Should I accept your apology or not?
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#47529 - 07/12/06 04:28 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"I've already posted your confusion, are you confused again?!? "
You have never posted any indication of my supposed confusion, because there is none
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#47530 - 07/12/06 04:31 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Then what's with the words of God? I never mentioned them... the only person who did was lighteningcreationscience guy. It is senseless babble and yet... you still respond. Just can't let it go can ya."
Again I was referring to your religious statements, dealing with your religion is dealing with your God.
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#47531 - 07/12/06 04:33 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Who are you to tell me to do anything? Are you like a supernatural boss? Try asking... maybe I'll be in a good mood."
I have demanded only that you reply to a question that someone asked you, which you in your deviousness just ignored. I am asking you to present the examples of your accusations about me. There is nothing supernatural about that.
It was simply an error, so no need for you to apologize again.
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#47532 - 07/12/06 04:35 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"I've already displayed your posts and your attempts to twist things... it's painfully obvious to anyone who is stupid enough to read this crazy thread"
That is a complete lie
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#47533 - 07/12/06 04:39 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"There are several meanings to religion... not all of them refer to a supernatural being. People get up, drink coffee and have a donut religiously. It's a set way of doing things. There's nothing supernatural about coffee or a donut even tho some believe/trust/hope there might be."
I know about the other meetings of religion, that is not the point. My question to you was, (What religion is not involved with a supernatural ). Answer it, instead of trying to get off the subject
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#47534 - 07/12/06 04:42 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Your mind is chained to science. Tell me something that science says is correct that you disagree with. "
That the Big Bang was the beginning of time, that the speed of light cannot be varied, that speed changes the rate of time, etc.
Science doesn't say that the speed of light cannot be varied.
etc...
Are you sure you know what science actually says.
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#47535 - 07/12/06 04:45 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Originally posted by I:
Davyd
Your statement:
"Are you saying MrSoul won't pay up?"
Again you don't seem to understand what you read, I said that the money was not the reason that you are replying to me. I gave the real reason. I put into parenthesis something to the effect of whether you are getting the money or not, meaning that I do not know whether he is really going to give you money or not.
And again & again there is absolutely no way for you to know my motive here unless you are psychic. I have clearly stated my motive... and yet you still continue to post? I truly am amazed.
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#47536 - 07/12/06 04:47 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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#47537 - 07/12/06 04:48 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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*Your statement:
"If indeed other people aren't referring to my opinion about Christianity then they shouldn't ask me questions about it. If they refer to general Christianity then they are referring to me if what other people call me can be trusted. So my opinion is quite valid."
Madman I didn't say other people were referring to your opinion about Christianity. You said your belief in Christianity was only your opinion, which of course is a lie. So I said when people refer to Christianity ( as you were), they are not referring to your opinion, meaning that Christianity is not an opinion. Don't try to keep twisting everything around, I know that is how you Christian get away with everything *
So now is it my religion or not?
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#47538 - 07/12/06 04:51 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"The only thing the Christian has is hope. There are no guarantees."
So when they burned people at the stake, and otherwise tortured them, they did it only in the hope that it would save their souls? I guess they were also just hoping, that that was the way to do it
You seem to be confused about this hope that Christians have.
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#47539 - 07/12/06 04:57 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"What situation is it that you are speaking of here? You do realize that most of the creators of the religious movements today are all long dead. Do you still hate them? "
They have ceased to exist, you cannot hate what does not exist
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#47540 - 07/12/06 05:00 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"And this is somehow different than when religious men twist things to their own selfish desires? Seems to me this is just ANOTHER similarity between science and religion."
Absolutely different. Religion does not consist of a few individuals, it is a worldwide organization accepted by its members.. It is not a matter of a few individuals twisting things to their own selfish desires. The creation of religion and gods is itself,a matter of individuals twisting things to their own selfish desires. That is what religion is invented for. Individual scientists cannot possibly, twist science into their own selfish desires.
"It is not a matter of a few individuals twisting..."
"a matter of individuals twisting..."
And your not confused?
The Piltdown Man wasn't done for selfless reasons ya know :p
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#47541 - 07/12/06 05:04 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"Galileo was a cool religious dude. If he hadn't gotten snotty about it he might not have wound up in quite so much trouble. Haste isn't always a good thing."
You mean if he had given in to the scum, they would not have abused him. If he had just let the church hide the truth from humanity long enough to corrupt and pervert its into something that would make Christianity look correct, he would have been OK. Christianity criminally abused a scientist for telling the truth, because the truth exposes religion for the criminal farce that it is
What great scientific fact has the Catholic Church been able to keep secret for a long period of time?
We can't really know for sure what would have happened if Galieo had simply played along with the gang at the time. Personally... I don't think we'd see any significant difference today.
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#47542 - 07/12/06 05:05 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"roflmao.... I you just insisted that I answer a question and then you ask what you insisted I do??????????????? "
Lie, you said I insisted that you do much more than that.
Where?
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#47543 - 07/12/06 05:06 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"So who was this mysterious person and what was the profound question they had to ask of me personally?"
Explain what it is, that you are talking about
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#47544 - 07/12/06 05:08 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"I would agree with the stupid bull shyt thing tho... You've surprised me yet again about the lengths you'll go to avoid not having the last word in a discussion."
Again, what are you talking about?
Let me help ya out a lil...
naw, never mind.
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#47545 - 07/12/06 05:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"What's the difference between not knowing and complete not knowing?"
Devious one, you leave out words to change the meaning . You said" based" on not knowing. There is a big difference between something that is simply" based" on not knowing, and something being completely not knowing. The" based" implies something known being involved, that's why you left the" based" out of the above
There is no difference and the addition of the word "based" makes no significant change to your insane conjecture.
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#47546 - 07/12/06 05:13 PM
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Your statement:
"Belief claims no fact. If there were facts there would be no need of belief, nor hope. The fact is I ate yesterday and everyday before that since I was born. I have no idea whether I'll eat today or not. I believe I will... but I have no fact or proof of food in front of me to demonstrate. I hope I will eat... but again I have no food in front of me yet. The fact is I have seen God work in the past, but that doesn't say anything about today... I believe... I hope He will... but until it happens there are no tangible facts today"
You are not a religion, and your natural everyday activities are not based on beliefs. Your religious beliefs, claim everything that your religion claims.
My beliefs are the basis for my religion. My religion by it's nature has to encompass everything my beliefs do cause that's where it comes from.
It is after all... MY religion.
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#47547 - 07/12/06 05:14 PM
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Your statement:
"So you are saying athiests are mentally disturbed???"
Where did you get that, stop your delusional nonsense
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#47548 - 07/12/06 05:16 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So you don't trust yourself or science. And yet you claim to have a corner on truth."
Seething, decrepit, perverter of truth, I did not say I did not trust science or myself., I said; ("I am not trusting anything moron, I said there are too many other things more likely to happen, to be concerned about flying of the earth) That was in reference to my attitude towards flying of the earth. It was not a matter of trusting or not trusting anything, it was simply too small a matter to be concerned about. You have an extreme lack of comprehension of what you read
I would think flying off the earth at any second would be of vital importance to anyone going outside.
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#47549 - 07/12/06 05:22 PM
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Your statement:
"This response makes even less sense than your usual nonsense. You say there is a significant difference between hope/trust & belief."
Now why did you throw in the word ( hope) devious one? I was talking about the difference between trust and belief. And there is an obvious difference in them
"Belief is more than (based) on not knowing, it is complete not knowing . You are believing what is based on nothing. Belief is claiming a fact while hoping. Hoping is working off of facts and past experience. Believing is a devious perversion of hoping, it is claiming as a fact that which it is hoping for, at the same time that it is hoping "
For a feller talking about belief and trust... you sure seem to hope I won't notice the use of that other word which I won't mention cause it seems to rile you up plenty.
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#47550 - 07/12/06 05:26 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"You have trust and hope that are based on nothing... and yet you want to believe that belief is based on nothing. Not only do I not see a difference here, a significant difference is a really loooong way down this rabbit trail."
Will your filthy lies ever end? My trust is in, science, nature, and myself. And I know that belief is based on nothing but lies and desire. You do not accept the difference, because you are faking it, or you are ill
"I am not trusting anything......"
It might appear that you aren't sure exactly WHAT or WHO to trust... I'm not saying it's true I'm just saying....
Sure hope you don't go flying off the earth one of these days... that might be bad(even tho there prolly isn't such a thing)
Still sounds like theres no significant difference here other than you hate the word belief.
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#47551 - 07/12/06 05:29 PM
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Your statement:
"lol So you are able to determine someones motive now???? That truly is an amazing feat! I knew people could guess at such a thing but to definitively state you can do it... is... uh... rather arrogant. You just ain't all that."
Well you obviously are pretending that you can determine so much about me, what's the big deal about me determining things about you. No really you don't say, I am not all that. Why don't you stop determining about me, if you object to me determining about you?.
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#47552 - 07/12/06 05:30 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"If you could straighten the mentally ill out you'd be remembered for all of eternity."
I am trying to do exactly that, but I am not interested in being remembered
Can ya do anything about the pay scale for therapists?
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#47553 - 07/12/06 05:33 PM
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Your statement:
"Hitler, Stalin, Lenin didn't really see a problem with their hatred either."
Why did you leave out the popes? And why did you leave out the millions of everyday people, will have had no real problem with their hatred
I included a short list of people I thought most everyone would recognize. You'll take note that not all of them are atheists.
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#47554 - 07/12/06 05:39 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So now statements are data... I thought so."
Not if they are lies
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#47555 - 07/12/06 05:42 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So you hate everyone who is religious and they are considered evil and devious."
Why do you keep lying, I said I do not hate the mentally ill , true believers. And there are many Christians who are my friends
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#47556 - 07/12/06 05:43 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"How could it be perverted and correct?
Distorting my statements again, I said not dishonest not premeditated. I did not say correct
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#47557 - 07/12/06 05:48 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Again I don't see it being perverted and correct. For you to have sex with a chicken is always perverted and always wrong. You seem to be saying that when you have sex with a chicken it's alright cause you think it's not wrong."
I did not say anything was correct. I said, (the desire was not preconceived therefore not false). That is not the same as saying that something is alright, because the one doing it doesn't think it's wrong. Again try to pay attention to what is being said, instead of perverting it into your desired outcome
I noticed you didn't say chicken sex was wrong either.
So is it alright for you to have sex with a chicken even if you don't believe it to be wrong?
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#47558 - 07/12/06 05:51 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"But if I am trying to pervert it and I don't have any premeditation of doing so then it's not false! It's perfectly fine for me to do so "
No, because it is not false that you want to murder someone, the fact that it is not false does not mean it is all right to do it.. Why are you pretending that there is no difference between true and false, and right and wrong?
They spell perversion the way they do for a reason.
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#47559 - 07/12/06 05:53 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"which violates what you just said. Why would you get excited about a true perversion? Whether you were defining perversion or not is not relevant to me"
Where did I get excited? You are pretending hideous one, that I was defining perversion. I was simply saying, that it was not false. Your pretending that I was defining perversion was very relevant to you, that's why you are pretending that was the subject
Perversion is the subject... you are attempting to justify chicken sex.
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#47560 - 07/12/06 05:55 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"if you want to control the discussion then have with yourself. "
I am not trying to control the discussion moron, I am replying to you and your twisting confusing tactics and lies, which you are trying to use to control the arguments
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#47561 - 07/12/06 05:56 PM
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Davyd
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$4
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#47562 - 07/12/06 05:58 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"I perverted nothing. If you weren't clear in what you said, that's your problem. I read the statement and it was quite obvious what you meant. I questioned you about it cause like a lot of other things you say it made no sense whatsoever. And now yer upset. Cry me a rive"
Get off the senseless, confusing, babble. I am always clear in what I say. You are the one purposefully confusing the issue, changing the subject, going over and over again the same items, lying, etc. etc. Why do you constantly try to hide what it is that you are accusing me of?.. What did I mean, mean about what? You know how much sense I make, that's why it is extremely important for you to keep replying to me.
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#47563 - 07/12/06 05:59 PM
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Your statement:
"Instituational lies are more difficult to expose, that's why I said, "science may move faster than religion".
Science moves faster than religion, because it is after the truth. Religion does not move unless it is forced to, because religion' s game is to protect its lies
Personally I think it's more cause it's data base is limited and it's been studying it for a couple thousand years now. But then that's just me.
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#47564 - 07/12/06 06:03 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"". So scientists are humans but religious men aren't? "
You have to be out of your ****ng mind, that's the one and only thing that I said science and religion have in common. But that statement is simply more of your slimy, devious, lying, confusing, tactics. You make a rotting corpse, smell like a rose
My mom always said I was talented. I don't think this is exactly what she had in mind tho. Do you realize how much work it'd take to make a rotting corpse smell like a rose? I mean really smell like, not just cover it up...
Which makes me ask, perhaps you'd know. How long would you remain concsious after having your head severed by a gullitoine? I mean would it hurt if yer head hit another head in the bucket?
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#47565 - 07/12/06 06:06 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"I'm not sure where you got the idea that God programmed and directed men. That violates the idea of free will doesn't it. I think this is another example of you making shyt up and then expecting someone else to defend it. Show me(book/chp/verse) where God programs people and then we'll talk."
Because he programmed and directed everything didn't he? That's why there is no real free will. Freewill is just a religious tactic to blame the human victims for what their God has caused to happen to them. So what did I make up imbecile? Did I say that a God created everything, knows everything, and controls everything? Did I say there was such a thing as Freewill. No I did not, that is just another contradiction of the mentally ill believers. Get off your arrogant delusions of grandeur, I have no desire to talk to you. I am forced to in the cause of truth
I have quite the power to be able to force someone to do something on the internet!
I am DAVYD hear me roar!!! roflmao
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#47566 - 07/12/06 06:09 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"How many people were killed by the atomic bombs? How many people have been killed by science thru abortion? I consider both science and religious mistakes or goofs if you will to be quite terrible. Focusing on one and ignoring the other seems even worse."
Those miracle weapon given by your God through his" gift" of science, were used by the Christian controlled American politicians and military. Science is not responsible, for how the results of their knowledge is used. Do you blame the scientists who created the weapons that Christianity used to invade and annihilate societies, to torture and murder men women and children; on the scientists who invented the tools and weapons used?. Did the scientists force Christianity to use the weapons and tools? Stop attempting again, to equate science and religion. Stop pretending that the crimes of religion were mistakes. They were well-planned and continue to take place. I am not ignoring either one. The Christian Religion is to blame, for what it does and has done. Scientists cannot be blamed, for what others do with their information
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#47567 - 07/12/06 06:12 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Sure I did, you just ignored them to maintain your hate mongering proselytizing."
You presented nothing but the collecting, dispensing, and agreements and disagreements of the lies of religion as data, in a false attempt to equate that with the collecting, dispensing, and theories of science. Equating human activities, is not equating religion and science.
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#47568 - 07/12/06 06:14 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Sure they do... for those who understand religion. If you want to keep your mind closed about what you believe religion to be about tho, you'll absolutely be required to reject any mention of such things... which you just did. Not a big surprise here"
I understand religion completely, it is false criminal garbage designed to control humanity for the benefit of those who created the religion, and those who keep it going. You are the one dealing with a closed mind, you have closed your mind to truth, reality, and sanity. What am I rejecting to mention?
You may very well understand "YOUR" religion... that has no bearing on "MY" religion or anyone elses. YOUR religion sounds rather hateful and harmful to society at large. Or should I not have mentioned that?
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#47569 - 07/12/06 06:18 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Statements are data, whether it's false or true is subjective. Scientists and the religious do reviews all the time We could use this thread to determine the number of times you said a certain word and postulate whether you are obssessed or not."
Lies and truth are not subjective, they are absolute. Data is information, a lie presents no real information, thus it is not data
If you are unable to gather that information then you are seriously lacking.
The statement, "90% of your statements are subjective crap". Contains information, data and while it may be subjective can also still be true.
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#47570 - 07/12/06 06:22 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
("Those billions could also survive without a belief, but criminal religion would not allow that. The numbers of atheist, were constantly eliminated by the evil religions. The number of victims who, those of your Church, is nothing more than an indication of the expanse of the criminal activity of religion)
"Didn't they try that in Russia? And what was the result... other than the deaths of millions of religious folks who did nothing to harm anyone. But typically you either ignore it or lightly wave it away cause it wasn't you who did it. Amazing how you can switch so quickly between a system and individual beliefs when it suits your purpose."
Amazing how you are completely ignoring the first part of my statement, ("Those billions could also survive without a belief). That was the subject. What the Russian did is another subject completely. Your twisted mind must continually get back to the Russians, because you want to continue to blame the atheist for what the Russian leader of the time did. The Christians annihilated those with and without religious beliefs, they did not intend to let anyone get away with not being a Christian. Back to the subject, all those who live with religion could have and can, live happily and content without it
See we here in the real world consider talking to others a "discussion". It's risky cause other people may not get your meaning. Like for example you totally missed my main point. Or you purposefully ignored it cause you simply can't answer it.
Russia is a good example of what atheists do in power I suppose.... well that and they have really good Vodka.
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#47571 - 07/12/06 06:25 PM
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Your statement:
"So now religion is an organization of evil lying men... not just the creators, hierarchy or proselytizers but ALL men. Your hate really has no boundaries does it."
You know, I am talking about the creators and leaders of religion, I have changed nothing. Your making a big deal about what particular words I use like (organization) is just another devious attempt to get onto another subject
I'm not psychic here.
Embrace the grey...
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#47572 - 07/12/06 06:29 PM
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Many thanks to those who contributed to this thread back on pages 7-8.
Starlight
Mr Soul
kim
SteveGIMP
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avory
And of course I'd like to thank my bestest buddy *I* for continuing to support me financially. Words alone cannot express my feelings right now....
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#47573 - 07/12/06 07:36 PM
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The physical universe could be called a clock mechanism that is unwinding its mainspring of energy and slowly disintegrating. Everything out side is eternity and not subject to time or perhaps any other dimension.
Right??
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#47574 - 07/13/06 10:06 AM
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Davyd is trying to send me to the poorhouse.
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#47575 - 07/13/06 02:48 PM
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MrSoul I am confused. I don't see anyone posting but Davyd?? 'I' isn't responding so who's he talking too?
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#47576 - 07/13/06 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Paulwa: MrSoul I am confused. I don't see anyone posting but Davyd?? 'I' isn't responding so who's he talking too?
Paul
*I* is about 50 posts behind, so far.
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#47577 - 07/13/06 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Davyd:
So science isn't to blame when bad people use those things but Christianity is to blame when bad people use those things. Clear as mud. No predjudice there... :rolleyes:
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#47578 - 07/13/06 07:37 PM
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Oh!
Carry on then!
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#47580 - 07/14/06 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Davyd:
$4
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#47581 - 07/14/06 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel: Originally posted by Davyd:
$4
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#47582 - 07/14/06 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Paulwa: Oh!
Carry on then!
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#47583 - 07/14/06 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by MrSoul: You've hit the nail on the head.
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#47584 - 07/14/06 01:41 PM
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Davyd
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Davyd
your statement:
"I already understand what I am talking about, you claim to understand the difference between objective and subjective statements... any one crazy enough to read this thread can go back and read the original statements for themselves."
You must be crazy to think, that I don't understand the difference between objective and subjective
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#47585 - 07/14/06 01:44 PM
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lol you say evil doesn't exist and yet you insist that religious people are evil to which I have responded and will continue to respond with, "it's a subjective statement full of crap".
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#47586 - 07/14/06 01:47 PM
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Your statement:
"Other scientists did know just as a few other Christians did know"
What other scientists, other than those who were involved knew that was a fake?
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#47587 - 07/14/06 01:48 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"Christianity doesn't break laws - people break laws"
Anything to change the subject right?. Christianity is people
I'm glad I've finally convinced you that Christianity is nothing more than what individual people determine it to be for themselves. What freedom loving people these Christians are!
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#47588 - 07/14/06 01:51 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"What I do is my religion - belief/thought taking action. So when you say Christianity is evil you are saying my actions are evil. Which begs the question, what exactly was evil about feeding/clothing/housing the poor?"
Yes indeed I am saying your actions are evil, your excusing, and your continued supporting of that criminal organization is evil, as are your lies and deviousness. I did not beg the question liar I said it was dependent on the motivation for feeding/clothing/housing the poor. That is not begging the question; lying dog
How quickly you've forgotten that Christianity is nothing more than individual peoples belief... it is an organism not an organization.
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#47589 - 07/14/06 01:53 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"Considering your continual unjustified tirades against Christians... it's hard to tell exactly whose safe and whose not around you. "
Unjustified??? Speaking out against liars, murderers, torturers, lawbreakers, traitors, is unjustified???
Your hatred of God has you blinded to the fact that you are a bigot.
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#47590 - 07/14/06 01:57 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"He did or He wouldn't have gone into the city in the first place knowing what would happen."
How limited can your thinking be? The fact that he may have trusted his Daddy in some or most instances, does not obliterate the instance where he did not trust his Daddy. His "Why hast thou forsaken me" was an accusation, and showed a lack of complete trust. Thusly his trust was not, " perfect trust". He must have known his Daddy very well. He trusted his Daddy to give him the pain and suffering, but did not trust his Daddy, to put an end to the pain and suffering you are completely wrong he was not perfect in every way. Admit your error, your confusion
We can continue this course of discussion but only if you agree that this was a real live event that occurred and that it has been recorded accurately. Basically I'm saying there's no sense in discussing this with you only to get you to see where you are wrong and have you suddenly claim it's all fake anyway.
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#47591 - 07/14/06 01:58 PM
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Your statement:
"Initially it was perfect and then things went skewy. Not to worry tho.. things will return to perfection at some point"
Is that the best excuse you can come up with? How can anyone or anything, interfere with your God's perfection?
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#47592 - 07/14/06 02:00 PM
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Oh shoot....
$5 Mr Soul!
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#47593 - 07/14/06 02:03 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Admitting you don't know, whether asking a liar or not, isn't making you look like a fool. Rather it makes you look confident in yourself."
What am I admitting when I say,
(I don't simply assume. When one asks a liar for information about himself, one is not humbling oneself one is making a fool of himself.). I repeat, when one asks a liar for information about himself, one is making a fool of himself
Above you have insert my statement, (You are interested enough to continue posting.), and say nothing about it. Are you pretending that it was your statement fake?
What does, "Are you pretending that it was your statement fake?" mean?
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#47594 - 07/14/06 02:04 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"I guess social norms also mean little to you. Have you ever noticed that heathens don't ever apologize... they rationalize and justify. Weird huh. "
And you keep trying to change the subject because??? Oh yes, you are stuck
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#47595 - 07/14/06 02:05 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"There ya go now yer gettin it! It's MY religion and MY religious beliefs... not yours, not ghoti's not even the Catholic Churchs."
What is the name of your religion?
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#47596 - 07/14/06 02:07 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"I said "meanings" not "meetings". And you dare confuse me of trying to get off the subject???? Are you subjectively insane???? "
You are so desperate, that you are attempting to use typographical errors to avoid the falsity of your claims and to corrupt the argument. You can tell from the context where I placed " meetings" that it was a typographical error, and that I meant meanings. Amazing all the above babble, over a typographical error
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#47597 - 07/14/06 02:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Science doesn't say the Big Bang was the beginning of time.
" Science doesn't say that the speed of light cannot be varied."
I did not make that up, I am sure that those things were stated by scientists. At any rate I was correct. Now what about speed, changing the rate of time?
I've not heard anything about speed changing the rate of time... sounds interesting. Perhaps when I have some free time to investigate it.
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#47598 - 07/14/06 02:11 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Are you sure you know what science actually says."
Absolutely
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#47599 - 07/14/06 02:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So saying Mr Soul won't pay me was a lie on your part."
I did not say he would not pay you, you lying freak. I said that was not the reason you are replying to me, whether he paid you or not
I bet I'll know the answer... cause Mr Soul and I are both religious men and therefore we MUST be liars! You live in world where you are surrounded by liars don't ya? How sad for you...
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#47600 - 07/14/06 02:16 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"And again & again there is absolutely no way for you to know my motive here unless you are psychic. I have clearly stated my motive... and yet you still continue to post? I truly am amazed."
Of course there are ways to figure motives
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#47601 - 07/14/06 02:18 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So now is it my religion or not? "
Are You referring to Christianity? You just said , it was not your religion, ( but I do not believe you, for one second). I then asked you what your religion was. I am awaiting your reply
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#47602 - 07/14/06 02:21 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"I can only assume they did it because they thought it was what God wanted at the time."
You mean they, " hoped" (since you said that all Christians have is " Hope" Can you imagine anyone committing such atrocities, based on only what they " hoped" that that was what their God wanted? Did your God not speak of what he wanted and did not want, rather than leaving it to " hoping" or guessing? Of course it is obvious what the real reason was for their committing those atrocities, it was the " Hope" that they could control the whole world. They committed their atrocities because of their knowledge, that it was the best way to attempt to gain what they were after
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#47603 - 07/14/06 02:23 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"You seem to be confused about this hope that Christians have."
No, hope is the same for everybody. And I know exactly what their game is, regardless of the words they use
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#47604 - 07/14/06 02:26 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So when you say you hate the creators, heirarchy and proslytizers you are in error but don't need to apologize for a deliberate lie."
Your mental illness is making you call something both an error and a deliberate lie, at the same time. Take a few months to try to figure out, which if either is the case. You are so desperate in your attempts, to drag me into your liars club. I cannot hate the nonexisting individuals, but I hate what they were and what they have caused, while they were in existence. Show any deliberate lie or any error
You are either deliberately lying, in error or both. Your hatred blinds you to yourself.
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#47605 - 07/14/06 02:29 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Science does not consist of a few individuals, it is a worldwide organization accepted by its members.
"It is not a matter of a few individuals twisting..."
"a matter of individuals twisting..."
" And your not confused?
" The Piltdown Man wasn't done for selfless reasons ya know "
Why not write in a sensible logical manner? Yes science does not consist of a few individuals. Yes science is not to be blamed, for the actions of a few criminal scientists.. Of course the Piltdown man was done for selfish criminal reasons, that's why I said they were criminals. You are attempting to push your obvious confusion, onto me. You are a very sad case
AHHHH Another similarity!
Remember this when you attempt to tell me what you disagree with about science.
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#47606 - 07/14/06 02:31 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"From what I understand the Catholic Church did horrible things to this nice man because he refused to follow their rules."
Yes indeed, and what does that tell you about the Catholic church?
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#47607 - 07/14/06 02:34 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"What great scientific fact has the Catholic Church been able to keep secret for a long period of time? "
I never mentioned any scientific fact, that the Catholic church has been able to keep secret for a long period of time, you know that hideous one. I said the Catholic church wanted to keep that truth from humanity far as long as it could, so they could try to manipulate that truth. The hero, the truthful, the pure, Galileo , did not allow the criminal Christian church to do that. I never mentioned any amount of time whatsoever, or that the church succeeded. See how you pervert things
...yer saying you have no real tangible beef with the Catholic Church.
I see quite well with my glasses on... otherwise ya'll are just blobs of color.
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#47608 - 07/14/06 02:39 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"We can't really know for sure what would have happened if Galieo had simply played along with the gang at the time. Personally... I don't think we'd see any significant difference today"
You are Still, trying to excuse the Christians criminal actions. Evidently the Christian church thought it would make an extremely significant difference, that's why they terrorized him. It is of ultimate importance that no individual or amounts of individuals or institutions, be allowed to hide the truth for any length of time, for the hiders benefit, or to slice it up and distort it through censorship, to benefit those in control of that censorship. Those are deadly serious actions and they are evil actions. Such actions cannot be dispensed with so easily, and would not be dispensed with so easily by an honest, decent, human being
What would be significantly different now if they had not done those things to him? Would the sun or the earth be in a different relationship?
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#47609 - 07/14/06 02:50 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"There is no difference and the addition of the word "based" makes no significant change to your insane conjecture."
It is your insanity that pretends there is no difference. You know why you added the word" based". Why is there such a word as" based" if it makes no difference? Of course it makes a difference, that's why it is used and that's why you threw it in. Saying" based" on not knowing, implies, means, that there is something additional to not knowing, which would have to be knowing . So" based" on not knowing cannot be the same as simply not knowing, unless you are insane
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#47610 - 07/14/06 02:55 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"My beliefs are the basis for my religion. My religion by it's nature has to encompass everything my beliefs do cause that's where it comes from.
" It is after all... MY religion."
Rancid delirium. Your beliefs are the basis of your religion, isn't that a coincidence. That is a twisted way of saying, that your beliefs and your religion are one and the same. Now who other than yourself, said that was not true? Sick, sick, sick
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#47611 - 07/14/06 02:57 PM
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Davyd
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$6 Mr Soul
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#47612 - 07/14/06 03:00 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Can't refute it so you stoop to personal attacks? How so un... uh like you, yea that's the ticket - like you."
I did refute, moron fake. Here is your statement,
""So you are saying athiests are mentally disturbed???"
And here is my refutation,
(Where did you get that, stop your delusional nonsense )
I have never said that atheist are mentally disturbed. Indeed I consider their atheism, a sign that they are mentally healthy. Stop your lying attempts to attribute false statements to me, and say that my denying it is stooping to personal attacks. My denying it is not a personal attack, calling you delusional would be a personal attack if it was not the truth. Putting them together and calling the whole thing a personal attack, is just another of your sleazy, devious tactics.
Is atheism a belief or an action ya think?
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#47613 - 07/14/06 03:02 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"You are not trusting anything.... what more needs to be said? If you can't trust science in even the smallest of things how can you be expected to trust it with larger more important things?"
Who said I cannot trust science or anything else in even the smallest things? It certainly wasn't me. I said devious one, that I trust science, nature, and myself.
You say a lot of things... how am I to be expected to keep track of all your mindless wanderings?
So... once and for all... what/who do you trust? Don't equivocate here.. a simple straight forward honest answer would do.
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#47614 - 07/14/06 03:04 PM
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Your statement:
"I would think flying off the earth at any second would be of vital importance to anyone going outside."
Ridiculous
Excuse me a minute.. I don't tend to edit these type posts cause basically it's all crap anyway but I did want to make one last statement before I move on....
Ever heard of the lil boy who whistled in the dark cause he said he wasn't afraid?
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#47615 - 07/14/06 03:07 PM
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Your statement:
"For a feller talking about belief and trust... you sure seem to hope I won't notice the use of that other word which I won't mention cause it seems to rile you up plenty."
Mention it, it is nice to let people know what you are talking about
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#47616 - 07/14/06 03:10 PM
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Your statement:
""I am not trusting anything......"
That was in relation to the nonsense of my falling off the earth. Don't pretend that was an all-inclusive statement; you filthy fake.. Your deviousness, your lying, and your evil, is why you posted such a very limited part of my statement above
Sometimes the truth comes out in small bits and pieces.
Is a filthy fake worse than a clean fake? And if so what's the difference?
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#47617 - 07/14/06 03:13 PM
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Your statement:
"The deal is just this. I don't routinely do such a thing. You on the other hand can't seem to breathe out without doing it. It speaks poorly to your mental abilities and might lead one to believe you are arrogant enough to believe you are actually correct about your wild ass accusations."
Yes I am arrogant enough to accept the fact, that I know what I am talking about. Indeed you can determine enough about a person, by what they say and how they say it. Isn't that what you are claiming you are doing, above?
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#47618 - 07/14/06 03:15 PM
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Your statement:
"I left out the popes cause I'm not familiar enough with them to know which ones were bad and which ones were decent. I'm just not interested enough to actually concern myself with the Catholic Church or it's teachings."
Bullshit, that was not the reason you left the popes out. You don't seem to have to know much about individual atheist, to blame them all for what Stalin did
See how easy that was....
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#47619 - 07/14/06 03:18 PM
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Your statement:
"I included a short list of people I thought most everyone would recognize. You'll take note that not all of them are atheists."
I took note, that you included 2 communists ( in the same country to boot) which you equate with atheists. Why the concentration on communists? I think as you know, that most people remember the names of many popes of the past. You also left out the average everyday people, most of whom are involved in hating. Why wasn't your list a bit more diverse?
Do you really think most people give a shyt about who was Pope in 1356? I couldn't tell you who is the Pope now. There's a new one but I don't know his name... it's not relevant to what I do or think.
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#47620 - 07/14/06 03:20 PM
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Your statement:
"Data is data, don't be so fundamentalistic about things."
If one cannot be fundamental about the fact that lies are not information, one is going to have a problem. But of course you are already dealing with that problem, since you are a religious believer
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#47621 - 07/14/06 03:21 PM
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Your statement:
"Yes I'm aware you are trying to help the mentally ill, but do your friends know you call them hateful names and would lock them up if given the chance. "
Stop your lying, I would not lock them up. No most of them do not know what I think of believers, but they will if they ever start proselytizing to me
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#47622 - 07/14/06 03:22 PM
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Your statement:
"I'm speaking now... either answer the question or admit you are stumped."
Over and over again I did not say that a perversion was correct, I said it was not premeditated, thusly not false. Would you like me to say it again, and again, and again?
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#47623 - 07/14/06 03:24 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Are you under the impression that only what you say is important? lol"
Are you serious? I would not be replying to you or anyone else, if I thought that only what I say is important.
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#47624 - 07/14/06 03:25 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"I noticed you didn't say chicken sex was wrong either."
Whether chicken sex was wrong, was never the subject
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#47625 - 07/14/06 03:27 PM
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Your statement:
"So is it alright for you to have sex with a chicken even if you don't believe it to be wrong? "
I never said that, lie after lie after lie.
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#47626 - 07/14/06 03:28 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"Cause in the realities of life if I catch you having sex with my chickens I'll shoot you and then determine whether it was right/correct/wrong/true/false or any other word you'd like to throw into the mix."
Then if I wanted to have sex with your chickens, I would have to kill you first.
and you like having sex with chickens!?!
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#47627 - 07/14/06 03:33 PM
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Your statement:
"They spell perversion the way they do for a reason."
That is true of all words
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#47628 - 07/14/06 03:35 PM
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Your statement:
"there! That's where you got excited. Did ya see it that time?
" Perversion is the subject... you are attempting to justify chicken sex."
Where did I got excited? Perversion was not the subject, and where did I attempt to justify it? You are a lying puke bag
As opposed to a truth telling puke bag I assume....
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#47629 - 07/14/06 03:38 PM
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Your statement:
"Then quit telling me what to discuss and what you meant to mean. I'm not psychic like you are, but then you already know that don't ya."
I never attempted to tell you or anyone else what to discuss, you lying freak
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#47630 - 07/14/06 03:40 PM
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Your statement:
"I suppose that could be one reason.... not a very good one and somewhat paranoid.
" Personally I think it's more cause it's data base is limited and it's been studying it for a couple thousand years now. But then that's just me."
Science moves faster because it is after the truth, and religion does not move until it is forced to, is absolutely true and not the slightest bit paranoid.. Religions so-called database is never limited, the lies are endless
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#47631 - 07/14/06 03:41 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"People said I was out of my ****ng mind when I went to WV too... course they stayed home in their comfy beds while saying it.
" My mom always said I was talented. I don't think this is exactly what she had in mind tho."
Again, I am not interested in your personal life
Is it just me or do you find all humans contemptible?
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#47632 - 07/14/06 03:42 PM
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Your statement:
"Do you realize how much work it'd take to make a rotting corpse smell like a rose? I mean really smell like, not just cover it up.."
No I have no idea how much work it would take, that's your field
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#47633 - 07/14/06 03:44 PM
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Your statement:
"Which makes me ask, perhaps you'd know. How long would you remain concsious after having your head severed by a gullitoine? I mean would it hurt if yer head hit another head in the bucket?"
I have no idea
You don't really know much at all do you....
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#47634 - 07/14/06 03:48 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"So science isn't to blame when bad people use those things but Christianity is to blame when bad people use those things. Clear as mud. No predjudice there"
Of course Science isn't to blame. It does not decide when and where weapons will be used. Of course religion is to blame, it is a bad thing, it makes people evil and sick. It has and does decide, when and where weapons will be used. But then again, your God supposedly gave us the science, which is credited to him when the results of science are beneficial, but not when the results are destructive. You see your God has it both ways. Ah the power of insanity, reality is whatever you would like to pretend it is, even when it contradicts itself.. Now we are going to try to change the subject to prejudice, on and on you go in your attempts to flee
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#47635 - 07/14/06 03:51 PM
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Your statement:
"I like equating them. It makes people think about how significant the differences might or might not be really. If thoughts are real, your words not mine, then all we're left with are activities are objects. Equating activities is an excellent way of comparing things."
People can think about the significance of the differences (and they are significant),, without equating the two. Comparing activities may or may not result in equating them. Comparing activities may show an impossibility of equating them
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#47636 - 07/14/06 03:52 PM
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Davyd
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$7...
did I miss $6???
I don't remember $6????
Course I don't remember what I said on my last post either so....
$7
Onward we marched into the dead of night....
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#47637 - 07/14/06 03:55 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"What benefit do dead men receive?"
None of course., are you lying again, saying that I said dead men receive benefits? Legal benefits directed to the estates etc. of dead men , do not benefit the dead men
So what benefit do you think dead men receive from you vilifying them?
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#47638 - 07/14/06 03:56 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
"You may very well understand "YOUR" religion... that has no bearing on "MY" religion or anyone elses. YOUR religion sounds rather hateful and harmful to society at large. Or should I not have mentioned that? "
I have absolutely no religion, I am not insane, you are
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#47639 - 07/14/06 03:58 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"All statements contains information."
What information is contained in this lie, I am a hippopotamus?
You can spell or use a dictionary
You understand correct punctuation
You understand the meanings of these words to some degree.
You are a really talented hippopotamus!
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#47640 - 07/14/06 04:00 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"If you are unable to gather that information then you are seriously lacking."
What was the information in that lie, I am a hippopotamus? You might be able to imagine some, because you are insane.
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#47641 - 07/14/06 04:01 PM
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Your statement:
"The statement, "90% of your statements are subjective crap". Contains information, data and while it may be subjective can also still be true. "
What information does that statement contain? It is not true of course, thusly it contains no information
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#47642 - 07/14/06 04:04 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"See we here in the real world consider talking to others a "discussion". It's risky cause other people may not get your meaning. Like for example you totally missed my main point. Or you purposefully ignored it cause you simply can't answer it."
You certainly do not exist in the real world. I have no problem presenting my meaning, Only those who slip and slide, try constantly to change the subject and lie like you, have that problem. What was your main point. What prevents you from posting that main point, directly after your lying statement that I missed that point?
So you are talking to yourself???????????
roflmao
I have no idea what my main point was you cut off the discussion... repost my full statement and I'll tell ya... or you'll tell yourself I suppose...
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#47643 - 07/14/06 04:07 PM
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Your statement:
"Russia is a good example of what atheists do in power I suppose.... well that and they have really good Vodka."
Is it ; or do you just suppose? Stop trying to have it both ways. You demand that we do not blame all Christians for the crimes of Christianity, when they are willing participants, excusers, defenders, and supporters, of that criminal organization unless we know each of them. But you have no problem blaming all individual atheists, who had absolutely nothing to do with Stalin's crimes, and were not and are not members of any atheists institution attempting to impose itself on the world , for the crimes of communists
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#47644 - 07/14/06 04:09 PM
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Your statement:
"It's not my fault you keep switching words and then complain when others use those words back to you. If you are talking about creators and leaders then say so... don't be so squirrely about your choice of words. What you say one time isn't quite the same as what you say the next... so it's understandable that some might be confused about whether you intend them harm or not.
That is exactly what I have said creep. The rest of that statement is complete rubbish
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#47645 - 07/14/06 04:10 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Mr Soul,
Embrace the gray
It is your friend
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#47646 - 07/15/06 08:23 AM
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Davyd
your statement:
""lol you say evil doesn't exist and yet you insist that religious people are evil to which I have responded and will continue to respond with, "it's a subjective statement full of crap".
I have to use the English-language to express what I mean, so I use the words as defined even though what they express does not exist. Such as Santa Claus, God, good, evil, freedom, freewill, etc. etc. etc. Again subjectivity is not limited to the mind like hallucination, it is a reaction to or an attempt to define this reality. "a : characteristic of or belonging to reality As perceived rather than as independent of mind " "modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background " Both are being attached to reality. I repeat No matter what the mechanism of arriving at the existence or pretension of the existence of good and evil, it is a declaring of the existence of good and evil . I said that there is no such thing as good or evil. They are false terms who's supposed meanings change to the opposite when so desired by the user
Your statement:
(What other scientists, other than those who were involved knew that was a fake? )
"The ones who refused to think for themselves."
A senseless, non answer. Answer the question
Your statement:
"I'm glad I've finally convinced you that Christianity is nothing more than what individual people determine it to be for themselves. What freedom loving people these Christians are!"
You have not convinced me of that lie. Those individual Christian followers of their religion. are directed, and willingly accept that direction . Thus those individuals are Ingredients of that religion
Your statement:
"My actions are to feed/clothe and house the poor. What exactly is evil about that?"
Why are you ignoring my reply, to that repeated question?
Your statement:
"How quickly you've forgotten that Christianity is nothing more than individual peoples belief... it is an organism not an organization"
How quickly you have ignored my answer to that falsity. Christianity is both an organization and an organism
Your statement:
"Yes unfustified, what'd I spell it wrong or sumthin?"
It can never be unjustified, to condemn hideous criminals
Your statement:
"Your hatred of God has you blinded to the fact that you are a bigot."
There is no God to hate, there is only the evil religions
Your statement:
"We can continue this course of discussion but only if you agree that this was a real live event that occurred and that it has been recorded accurately. Basically I'm saying there's no sense in discussing this with you only to get you to see where you are wrong and have you suddenly claim it's all fake anyway."
How does that insane blabber, relate to my proving that your God was not perfect in his trust of his daddy?
Your statement:
"Initially it was perfect and then things went skewy. Not to worry tho.. things will return to perfection at some point"
(Is that the best excuse you can come up with? How can anyone or anything, interfere with your God's perfection? )
"Can't happen. "
Speak clearly and fully, what can't happen?
Your statement:
"So you don't assume to konw someone elses motive... you ask?"
No, they display their motives, one way or the other
Your statement:
"What does, "Are you pretending that it was your statement fake?" mean? "
You purposely left out, what I was referring to
Your statement:
"Cause repeating the same ole tired thing is boring... I mean I need the money and all but geesh a fellers gotta do something to keep this halfway interesting"
When did you realize it is boring, when you realized you are constantly repeating? I cannot remove what binds you to reply. The binding is self imposed
Your statement:
"I don't have a name for it... it'd be like trying to name each breath I take"
That's ridiculous, none of the other religions had any problem naming their religion. It would not be like trying to name each breath you take, do you change your religion every time you take a breath?
Your statement:
"Considering whom I'm speaking with I thought it safer to believe you actually meant meetings in an attempt to divert the discussion."
You did not have to depend on me, you had to dependent on the rest of the paragraph
Your statement:
"I'm sure you didn't make it up, I'm equally sure there are 'some' scientists who say such things... just as there are some who will swear to their being a God. We're talking about 'science' not the individuals."
But you stated directly, that science did not say that, why are you backtracking now? You have to be talking about individuals, when you say other scientists knew
Your statement:
"I've not heard anything about speed changing the rate of time... sounds interesting. Perhaps when I have some free time to investigate it."
Well let's not forget, that you accused me of being chained to science, and asked me what I disagreed about with science. I told you what I disagreed with. So you were wrong when you said I was chained to science
Your statement:
"I still doubt it. You are quoting individuals you disagree with, that wasn't the question. The question was about science... not individual opinions."
I was not quoting individuals, I was quoting science reports. Why do you keep up the twisting and lying?
Your statement:
"I've told you why I'm replying to you... think about it I... why would I make a series of individual posts instead of making it much easier on myself to simply make one?"
I do not believe you. You are replying in a series of individual posts, to make it easier for others to fill in and pretend it is you
Your statement:
"I bet I'll know the answer... cause Mr Soul and I are both religious men and therefore we MUST be liars! You live in world where you are surrounded by liars don't ya? How sad for you...
No I say you are both liars (if indeed there are 2 of you), because the posts are continually scattered with lies. Yes indeed, this world is completely polluted with liars
Your statement:
"You can figure all day long and it's still gonna come down to... you believe."
No the proof is in your statements and the tactics you use
Your statement:
"My religion is what I do. If you insist we could call it "Howard".
I think fake would be a better name
Your statement:
"I assume it was what they thought God wanted cause I tend to think the best of others until shown to be wrong. It very well could have been they simply wanted to kill other people and burning them sounded like a cool way to go about it. Hoping to control the whole world is not what a Christians hope would be about. "
You mean they did not refer to" gods words" the Bible? That is exactly what Christianity and all religions are about, controlling the whole world for the benefit of the leaders. They want the best of everything for themselves, like the pope in the Vatican
Your statement:
"It very well could have been they simply wanted to kill other people and burning them sounded like a cool way to go about it."
Being a Christian, you would consider it cool to kill and burn people alive. Weren't there enough Christians with Common decency around to prevent or stop those heinous crimes, ? They could at least have quit the church, and condemned the church for its actions
Your statement:
"So you have hope, but no belief. What is your hope based on? "
I have answered that at least three times, possibility, past experience, and desire
Your statement:
"You continually talk about how you hate the creators, hierarchy and proselytizers... nothing is said about past tense or simply the actions... you hate the individuals and yet you admit that it's incredibly stupid if not impossible to hate those that are dead."
No because the church has not ended its criminality, it has subdued most of it. It will never stop its evil, because evil is the glue that holds it together. As I have said, the dead do not exist, you cannot hate what does not exist. I hate what they did and their religion that accepted and benefited from those actions, and continues to commit crimes lies, manipulation, deception etc. etc
Your statement:
"You are either deliberately lying, in error or both. Your hatred blinds you to yourself."
Now don't you wish that were true. You are blinded by your desire to deny, and you lie like hell. Note that again, I have used the title of something that does not exist)
Your statement:
"Yes Christianity does not consist of a few individuals. Yes Christianity is not to be blamed, for the actions of a few criminal individuals.."
It is to be blamed for committing the actions, for allowing the actions, for benefiting from the actions, for not protesting and leaving the church, for denying its crimes past and present, for the defending and supporting of their evil religion
Your statement:
"AHHHH Another similarity!"
What similarity scientists continually object to the misuse of science, scientists have left their own countries in repulsion of what it science was used for.
Your statement:
"Remember this when you attempt to tell me what you disagree with about science."
What does what I disagree with science about , have to do with your false comparison of science and religion
Your statement:
"At least one guy was really screwed up and a bunch of others who knew he was screwed up didn't speak up. To bad they didn't follow the Bibles teachings eh? "
They did follow the Bibles instructions, it calls for murder, destruction,, destruction of societies, war, pain and what, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Your statement:
"So other than a few individuals within the church at this one specific time in history... "
That is no way to get out of it clown, all it took was a few, if any more were necessary, they would have been available immediately. And stop the crap about it being just a few
Your statement:
"yer saying you have no real tangible beef with the Catholic Church."
You know devious liar, holy, pure, religious, demanded, creep, then I am saying just the opposite of that
Your statement:
"If I knew the Popes name who was in charge at the time I'd be willing to say they were wrong to take the actions they did.(good and evil don't exist remember? so I can't really saaaay he was evil)"
You don't need anyones name, to say that whoever did it was wrong and evil., do you? And sleazy one I am not talking about just one pope, one time, or one place. I am talking about one religion
Your statement:
"What would be significantly different now if they had not done those things to him? Would the sun or the earth be in a different relationship?"
It does not matter what would be different. Stop trying to get off the subject. Crimes are crimes and crimes of that nature should never be accepted or excused, no matter what the outcome.
Your statement:
"For you it, "implies"... which even if I agree... is still a loooooooooooooooong waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay from being significant. How can such a subjective thing be significant."
It was significant enough , for you to make sure you put it in their
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#47647 - 07/15/06 12:05 PM
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your statement:
"Ah but they aren't one in the same. My beliefs are simply thoughts... my religion is the physical manifestation of my beliefs. As it is with everyone. Now that you asked, I believe it was you who said differently."
Your religion includes the thoughts of your belief, as well as the physical components of your belief, they are one and the same. Your Thoughts about your involvement in anything, are parts of that involvement
Your statement:
"rofl... you remind me of those old ladies who sit in church and gossip ... course it's the truth so it's not really gossiping! "
What has that to do with your lie, that I said atheist were mentally ill?
Your statement:
"Is atheism a belief or an action ya think?"
Neither
Your statement:
"You've also said you are not trusting anything"
Again you twisting misfit, I said I was not trusting anything in regards to falling off the earth, not anything else. Again I said I trust science, nature, and myself
Your statement:
"You say a lot of things... how am I to be expected to keep track of all your mindless wanderings?"
You do not have any trouble, keeping track of your many ways to confuse the issue. You should have no more of a problem keeping track of what I say, then anyone else does .
Your statement:
"So... once and for all... what/who do you trust? Don't equivocate here.. a simple straight forward honest answer would do."
Not once and for all, but over and over again. You fake are pretending, that I equate and do not talk straight forward. You exist in your sewer of lies, and think everybody lives there.. You are pretending that I did not directly say what I trust, while at the same time accusing me of being chained to science, when I listed straightforwardly science as one of the things I trust.
Your statement:
"So you believe it won't happen? What scientific proof do you have? Notice I said scientific here... personal beliefs have no relevance to this question so don't quote me your personal belief on the subject."
I never said moron, liar, that I would not fall off the earth. I said that it is so unlikely, as not to be bothered with. You are trying to pretend I have beliefs,(And of course you have failed completely at that.)
Your statement:
"Excuse me a minute.. I don't tend to edit these type posts cause basically it's all crap anyway but I did want to make one last statement before I move on....
" Ever heard of the lil boy who whistled in the dark cause he said he wasn't afraid?"
Well you seem to be extremely interested in that" crap". That" crap" is so important to you, that it is necessary for you to reply. Yes I heard of the boy who whistled in the dark, to pretend he was not afraid. What has that to do with anything, other than your attempting to say that I am afraid of something particular. Rest assured that there were many boys, who whistled in the dark precisely because they were not afraid . What is it you think I am so afraid of?
Your statement:
"Which one are you hoping I won't mention?"
There is nothing I don't want you to dimension,. What are you pretending, that I don't want you to mention?.
Your statement:
"I didn't say you'd fall off the earth you filthy lying evil athiest scum... lol "
Is it your religion that makes you such a devious, criminal, liar, and distorter of statements, or are you just completely insane? I never said that you said I would fall off the earth; you pathological liar. You asked me if or why I was not afraid of falling off the earth, deviously trying to prove that I had some kind of faith or belief. I said you scum that, the chance of my falling off the earth is too small a matter to be bothered with
Your statement:
"Sometimes the truth comes out in small bits and pieces."
Only as far as you are concerned, with me the truth is a constant flow of light
Your statement:
"Is a filthy fake worse than a clean fake? And if so what's the difference?"
Another attempt to pretend that (based) does not really make a difference. In my statement, filthy is in added emphasis and means that you are worse than just a plain fake. And even you should be able to understand that in this context, filthy is not describing the opposite of clean
Your statement:
"You "believe" them to be "facts" is the arrogant part. "
Knowing and stating facts, is not arrogance. If arrogance bothers you, condemned the hierarchies of religions
Your statement:
" Bullshit, that was not the reason you left the Russian leaders out. You don't seem to have to know much about individual Christians, to blame them all for what the Popes did"
And you reason for distorting my statement above by replacing the (popes) with (the Russian leaders) and (you don't have to know much about individual atheist) with, (you don't seem to have to know much about individual Christians) is nothing but an attempt to distort the meaning and the truth of my statement. I will not repeat at the moment my previously repeated definition of the differences, between willing, supporting members of a criminal organization that has committed heinous crimes (Christians) and individuals who are not members of any organization that committed any crimes (atheist). That difference cannot be avoided, no matter how much you twist, distort, and lie
Your statement:
"See how easy that was"
Yes it is always easy to distort as you do, but it is seldom effective
Your statement:
"I wasn't looking for diversity... I was looking for familiarity."
Yes that was your problem
Your statement:
"Do you really think most people give a shyt about who was Pope in 1356? I couldn't tell you who is the Pope now. There's a new one but I don't know his name... it's not relevant to what I do or think."
They may not be interested in the names of popes, but they are certainly interested in what those popes did . When you are judging something or someone, the decision must include its past actions. You attempt all kinds of nonsensical ways, to protect and deny for those criminals you wish to protect. And you wish to protect them, because you are of the same mentality
Your statement:
"So what you think and how you act is different... we here in the real world refer to that as hypocrisy."
There is no difference in how I think and how I act. You are still riding on your delusions. I defend the real world, you defend imaginings
Your statement:
"Great then quit pretending to know my motives. God gave you two ears and one mouth... hint hint hint."
I am not pretending to know you motives, I know them. You are a devious liar protecting your religious imaginings. You are exposing that constantly
Your statement:
"Please stay away from my chickens in the future"
It sounds like you're saying , I already have been near your chickens. I would never get near them, they most likely have the Christian bird flu, which is much much worse than the regular bird flu
Your statement:
"You never didn't say it either... seems like a simple thing to me... either having sex with chickens is alright or it's not. You seem to be having a real tussle over this simple question. Need some help? "
I don't have to didn't say it. My question is why you are asking me, rather than your psychiatrist. That has nothing to do with the subject. But of course your tactic is to constantly attempt to sway from the subject.
Your statement:
"So the fact is you do want to harm me!
" and you like having sex with chickens!?!"
First a display of your paranoia, and second a lie. You are a sick sick man
Your statement:
"Yea, but not all the reasons are the same."
First you stupidly and unnecessarily say, that there is a reason for the way they spell perversion, and I say that is true of all words. Now you say, but all the reasons are not the same. Of course not, who said they were? You keep slipping down and down into irrelevance, in an attempt to flee your absurdity
Your statement:
"I said the perversion was the subject... your attempts to justify your vile actions are all over this thread.
" As opposed to a truth telling puke bag I assume."
Perversion was not the subject, and whether I will get onto that subject or not, is another question. What action am I justifying?. You make a ridiculous false statement and then add words similar to mine to it. (Are all over this thread) That does nothing but show, how much you want to confuse the reader. You have so many devious tactic you use, to try to escape being pinned down. But I won't let you get away with any of it
Your statement:
"You just did in the post immediately above this one... you stated, rather emphatically, that the subject was not your perversion. I'm telling you that you aren't in charge of what we discuss and if you aren't willing to allow others an opportunity to select what they want to talk about then you are controlling and manipulative... not to mention abusive."
I said, (Perversion was not the subject,) now you in your pathological lying and your word addition tactic, have added the word" my". I have never said ," my" perversion was not the subject. I said perversion was not the subject. And perversion is and was not the subject, religion is the subject. Come out and say that I have a perversion, and say what it is
Your statement:
(Science moves faster because it is after the truth, and religion does not move until it is forced to, is absolutely true and not the slightest bit paranoid.. Religions so-called database is never limited, the lies are endless)
"So now you are saying lies are data... you change your mind so quickly it's hard to keep up. It may be some STD from some of that barn yard action you been getting."
Where am I saying in the above or anywhere else, that lies are data, you ridiculous slime? I have been constantly saying the opposite. But that doesn't stop you from trying to pervert what I say, does it
Your statement:
"Then why do you keep asking about it????????
" Is it just me or do you find all humans contemptible?"
Where have I asked you about your personal life, I have been constantly telling you, that I do not have the slightest interest in your personal life. It is a display of your arrogance to even conceive that my hatred of you, has anything whatsoever to do with all other humans
Your statement:
(No I have no idea how much work it would take, that's your field )
"So again I have stumped you !"
Again, you have never stumped me. According to your corrupted definition of being stumped, everyone in the world is stumped, because they do not know what everybody else does. That is pure insanity of course, but you are not capable of anything else
Your statement:
""Which makes me ask, perhaps you'd know. How long would you remain concsious after having your head severed by a gullitoine? I mean would it hurt if yer head hit another head in the bucket?"
(I have no idea)
"Again with the no answer....?
" You don't really know much at all do you"
You are just showing how completely ridiculous you are
Your statement:
"The people of science decide.. the people of religion decide... that's what I'm trying to get across to you and you don't seem to be picking up what I'm laying down here"
The people of science decide what they are going to study and how they are going to do it. The people of religion decide what they are going to do with what science has created, and how they are going to control the people. That's what I'm trying to get across to you, but your religious beliefs have created a mental block against reason and logic. The fact that both ( decide) is the humanity, which I said is the only similarity science and religion have
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#47648 - 07/15/06 04:11 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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your statement:
"Don't be so fearful... embrace the gray"
Fearful of what, I embrace all the hues of the spectrum
Your statement:
"I didn't say you said that.. I was asking a question. See in English we put a ? at the end of sentences to indicate we are askinga question.It helps the reader to know when we're asking a question and not making a statement. When I make a statement I'll put a at the end of the sentence."
I know you were asking a question, devious one. You are pretending that I said that dead men can receive benefits, by deviously asking the question" what benefits do dead men receive
Your statement:
".So what benefit do you think dead men receive from you vilifying them? "
You obviously know the answer to that. Play your stupid games with somebody else
Your statement:
"whistling in the dark again? "
I have never whistled in the dark because of fear. I whistled in the dark to find my dog
Your statement:
"You can type
You can spell or use a dictionary
You understand correct punctuation
You understand the meanings of these words to some degree.
" You are a really talented hippopotamus!"
I am the only hippopotamus, that can do such. I am a spiritual hippopotamus, you must believe in me; than you will know that what I say is true
Your statement:
(What was the information in that lie, I am a hippopotamus? You might be able to imagine some, because you are insane.)
"No, just observant. This may explain why you don't see God at work around you.""
Don't try to escape. The question was, what was the information in that lie? I don't see any of the gods at work around me, because there are no such things
Your statement:
(What information does that statement contain? It is not true of course, thusly it contains no information)
"It contains roughly the same information as your statement... possibly a lil more only cause I'm smarter and better looking than you.... "
The information please
Your statement:
"I do not exist in the real world????????????
" So you are talking to yourself???????????
" roflmao
" I have no idea what my main point was you cut off the discussion... repost my full statement oh I'll tell ya... or you'll tell yourself I suppose"
Oh, now I cut off discussions. What else are you going to pretend that I have done? Did you object, when I cut off the discussion? You don't seem to have any trouble continuing discussions, so how could I have cut it off?
Your statement:
"I have a problem with anyone who groups people and then proceeds to villify them ALL because of the actions of a few. That's why I referred to you as a fundamentalistic bigot."
Back to an already covered subject again. Then you must have a problem with yourself, for that is precisely what you have been doing with atheist. There is a difference between individuals, and members of a criminal organization
Your statement:
"I have attempted to get you to say how many of the religious you hate but you refused to answer... is that because in truth you hate them all. "
No, first of all, it is becauseit it does not matter. Secondly is is because I have no way of knowing who they are, and No way of counting them.
Your statement:
"So how many of us are you willing to continue to abuse, villify and condem? A percentage here will do."
Name just one person I have" abused". (Back to the demonizing). If you keep coming back and sitting on a hot stove, you are burning your own ass
Your statement:
"Embrace the gray
" It is your friend"
As I have said, I embrace all the hues of the spectrum, you must understand that that has to include the gray
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#47649 - 07/17/06 01:35 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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your statement:
I have to use the English-language to express what I mean, so I use the words as defined even though what they express does not exist. Such as Santa Claus, God, good, evil, freedom, freewill, etc. etc. etc. Again subjectivity is not limited to the mind like hallucination, it is a reaction to or an attempt to define this reality. "a : characteristic of or belonging to reality As perceived rather than as independent of mind " "modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background " Both are being attached to reality. I repeat No matter what the mechanism of arriving at the existence or pretension of the existence of good and evil, it is a declaring of the existence of good and evil . I said that there is no such thing as good or evil. They are false terms who's supposed meanings change to the opposite when so desired by the user
Frank P. Ramsey in The Foundations of Mathematics (1931) first proposed using subjective belief as way of interpreting probability. Ramsey saw this interpretation as a complement to the frequency interpretation of probability, which was more established and accepted at the time. The statistician Bruno de Finetti in 1937 adopted Ramsey's view as an alternative to the frequency interpretation of probability. L. J. Savage expanded the idea in The Foundations of Statistics (1954).
Formal attempts have been made to define and apply the intuitive notion of a "degree of belief". The most common application is based on betting: a degree of belief is reflected in the odds and stakes that the subject is willing to bet on the proposition at hand.
When beliefs have degrees, theorems of probability calculus measure the rationality of beliefs in the same way that the theorems of first order logic measure the rationality of beliefs. Many regard degrees of belief as extensions of classical truth values (true and false).
The Bayesian approach has been explored by Harold Jeffreys, Richard T. Cox, Edwin Jaynes and I. J. Good. Other well-known proponents of Bayesian probability have included John Maynard Keynes and B.O. Koopman.
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#47650 - 07/17/06 01:37 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
A senseless, non answer. Answer the question
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#47651 - 07/17/06 01:40 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
You have not convinced me of that lie. Those individual Christian followers of their religion. are directed, and willingly accept that direction . Thus those individuals are Ingredients of that religion
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#47652 - 07/17/06 01:44 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Why are you ignoring my reply, to that repeated question?
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#47653 - 07/17/06 01:48 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
How quickly you have ignored my answer to that falsity. Christianity is both an organization and an organism
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#47654 - 07/17/06 01:52 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
It can never be unjustified, to condemn hideous criminals
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#47655 - 07/17/06 01:57 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
There is no God to hate, there is only the evil religions
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#47656 - 07/17/06 02:03 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
How does that insane blabber, relate to my proving that your God was not perfect in his trust of his daddy?
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#47657 - 07/17/06 02:04 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
(Is that the best excuse you can come up with? How can anyone or anything, interfere with your God's perfection? )
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#47658 - 07/17/06 02:05 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement"
Speak clearly and fully, what can't happen?
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#47659 - 07/17/06 02:06 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
No, they display their motives, one way or the other
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#47660 - 07/17/06 02:08 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
You purposely left out, what I was referring to
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#47661 - 07/17/06 02:09 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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$8
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#47662 - 07/17/06 02:13 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
When did you realize it is boring, when you realized you are constantly repeating? I cannot remove what binds you to reply. The binding is self imposed
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#47663 - 07/17/06 02:15 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
That's ridiculous, none of the other religions had any problem naming their religion. It would not be like trying to name each breath you take, do you change your religion every time you take a breath?
Yes, it changes... organism remember.
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#47664 - 07/17/06 02:16 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
You did not have to depend on me, you had to dependent on the rest of the paragraph
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#47665 - 07/17/06 02:18 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
But you stated directly, that science did not say that, why are you backtracking now? You have to be talking about individuals, when you say other scientists knew
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#47666 - 07/17/06 02:19 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Well let's not forget, that you accused me of being chained to science, and asked me what I disagreed about with science. I told you what I disagreed with. So you were wrong when you said I was chained to science
You only told me about some individuals you disagree with.
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#47667 - 07/17/06 02:20 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I was not quoting individuals, I was quoting science reports. Why do you keep up the twisting and lying?
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#47668 - 07/17/06 02:22 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I do not believe you. You are replying in a series of individual posts, to make it easier for others to fill in and pretend it is you
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#47669 - 07/17/06 02:23 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
No I say you are both liars (if indeed there are 2 of you), because the posts are continually scattered with lies. Yes indeed, this world is completely polluted with liars
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#47670 - 07/17/06 02:24 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
No the proof is in your statements and the tactics you use
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#47671 - 07/17/06 02:25 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I think fake would be a better name
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#47672 - 07/17/06 02:28 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
You mean they did not refer to" gods words" the Bible? That is exactly what Christianity and all religions are about, controlling the whole world for the benefit of the leaders. They want the best of everything for themselves, like the pope in the Vatican
Perhaps your religion is about controlling the whole world.
And again, you are the psychic not me so you would know what the Pope wants not me.
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#47673 - 07/17/06 02:31 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
Being a Christian, you would consider it cool to kill and burn people alive. Weren't there enough Christians with Common decency around to prevent or stop those heinous crimes, ? They could at least have quit the church, and condemned the church for its actions
Are you sure no one did quit the church or condem it's actions.
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#47674 - 07/17/06 02:33 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
I have answered that at least three times, possibility, past experience, and desire
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#47675 - 07/17/06 02:34 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
No because the church has not ended its criminality, it has subdued most of it. It will never stop its evil, because evil is the glue that holds it together. As I have said, the dead do not exist, you cannot hate what does not exist. I hate what they did and their religion that accepted and benefited from those actions, and continues to commit crimes lies, manipulation, deception etc. etc
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#47676 - 07/17/06 02:37 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
Now don't you wish that were true. You are blinded by your desire to deny, and you lie like hell. Note that again, I have used the title of something that does not exist)
The only thing I have denied is a knowledge of middle age Church history.
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#47677 - 07/17/06 02:39 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Your statement:
It is to be blamed for committing the actions, for allowing the actions, for benefiting from the actions, for not protesting and leaving the church, for denying its crimes past and present, for the defending and supporting of their evil religion
An excellent example of where your misguided thoughts about organization and organism have left you confused.
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#47678 - 07/17/06 02:40 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
What similarity scientists continually object to the misuse of science, scientists have left their own countries in repulsion of what it science was used for.
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#47679 - 07/17/06 02:43 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
What does what I disagree with science about , have to do with your false comparison of science and religion
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#47680 - 07/17/06 02:44 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
They did follow the Bibles instructions, it calls for murder, destruction,, destruction of societies, war, pain and what, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
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#47681 - 07/17/06 02:46 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
That is no way to get out of it clown, all it took was a few, if any more were necessary, they would have been available immediately. And stop the crap about it being just a few
Few is a relative term...
How many exactly knew about it? How many exactly protested?
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#47682 - 07/17/06 02:47 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
You know devious liar, holy, pure, religious, demanded, creep, then I am saying just the opposite of that
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#47683 - 07/17/06 02:50 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
You don't need anyones name, to say that whoever did it was wrong and evil., do you? And sleazy one I am not talking about just one pope, one time, or one place. I am talking about one religion
So based on the actions of one person you condem an entire group of people who weren't even alive when these events happened.
Bigot.
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#47684 - 07/17/06 02:52 AM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
It does not matter what would be different. Stop trying to get off the subject. Crimes are crimes and crimes of that nature should never be accepted or excused, no matter what the outcome.
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#47685 - 07/17/06 02:54 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
It was significant enough , for you to make sure you put it in their
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#47686 - 07/17/06 02:56 AM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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This concludes our posting for this evening....
Please join us tomorrow for another session of "How long can it go".
$9
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#47687 - 07/18/06 07:12 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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your statement:
Your religion includes the thoughts of your belief, as well as the physical components of your belief, they are one and the same. Your Thoughts about your involvement in anything, are parts of that involvement
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#47688 - 07/18/06 07:13 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
What has that to do with your lie, that I said atheist were mentally ill?
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#47689 - 07/18/06 07:14 PM
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Davyd
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So it's thoughtless and lifeless.
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#47690 - 07/18/06 07:15 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Again you twisting misfit, I said I was not trusting anything in regards to falling off the earth, not anything else. Again I said I trust science, nature, and myself
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#47691 - 07/18/06 07:17 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
You do not have any trouble, keeping track of your many ways to confuse the issue. You should have no more of a problem keeping track of what I say, then anyone else does .
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#47692 - 07/18/06 07:18 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Not once and for all, but over and over again. You fake are pretending, that I equate and do not talk straight forward. You exist in your sewer of lies, and think everybody lives there.. You are pretending that I did not directly say what I trust, while at the same time accusing me of being chained to science, when I listed straightforwardly science as one of the things I trust.
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#47693 - 07/18/06 07:20 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I never said moron, liar, that I would not fall off the earth. I said that it is so unlikely, as not to be bothered with. You are trying to pretend I have beliefs,(And of course you have failed completely at that.)
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#47694 - 07/18/06 07:22 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Well you seem to be extremely interested in that" crap". That" crap" is so important to you, that it is necessary for you to reply. Yes I heard of the boy who whistled in the dark, to pretend he was not afraid. What has that to do with anything, other than your attempting to say that I am afraid of something particular. Rest assured that there were many boys, who whistled in the dark precisely because they were not afraid . What is it you think I am so afraid of?
I have no idea what you are afraid of... it was a neat little story and I wondered how you would respond to it.
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#47695 - 07/18/06 07:23 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
There is nothing I don't want you to dimension,. What are you pretending, that I don't want you to mention?.
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#47696 - 07/18/06 07:24 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Is it your religion that makes you such a devious, criminal, liar, and distorter of statements, or are you just completely insane? I never said that you said I would fall off the earth; you pathological liar. You asked me if or why I was not afraid of falling off the earth, deviously trying to prove that I had some kind of faith or belief. I said you scum that, the chance of my falling off the earth is too small a matter to be bothered with
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#47697 - 07/18/06 07:25 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Only as far as you are concerned, with me the truth is a constant flow of light
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#47698 - 07/18/06 07:28 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"Is a filthy fake worse than a clean fake? And if so what's the difference?"
Another attempt to pretend that (based) does not really make a difference. In my statement, filthy is in added emphasis and means that you are worse than just a plain fake. And even you should be able to understand that in this context, filthy is not describing the opposite of clean
So we have the plain fake, the filthy fake... any other types of fakes I should know about?
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#47699 - 07/18/06 07:29 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"You "believe" them to be "facts" is the arrogant part. "
Knowing and stating facts, is not arrogance. If arrogance bothers you, condemned the hierarchies of religions
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#47700 - 07/18/06 07:31 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
And you reason for distorting my statement above by replacing the (popes) with (the Russian leaders) and (you don't have to know much about individual atheist) with, (you don't seem to have to know much about individual Christians) is nothing but an attempt to distort the meaning and the truth of my statement. I will not repeat at the moment my previously repeated definition of the differences, between willing, supporting members of a criminal organization that has committed heinous crimes (Christians) and individuals who are not members of any organization that committed any crimes (atheist). That difference cannot be avoided, no matter how much you twist, distort, and lie
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#47701 - 07/18/06 07:32 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Yes it is always easy to distort as you do, but it is seldom effective
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#47702 - 07/18/06 07:34 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Yes that was your problem
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#47703 - 07/18/06 09:16 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
They may not be interested in the names of popes, but they are certainly interested in what those popes did . When you are judging something or someone, the decision must include its past actions. You attempt all kinds of nonsensical ways, to protect and deny for those criminals you wish to protect. And you wish to protect them, because you are of the same mentality
So based on the treatment of different races, cultures, women and the disabled you'd say that America is an evil empire.
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#47704 - 07/18/06 09:17 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
There is no difference in how I think and how I act. You are still riding on your delusions. I defend the real world, you defend imaginings
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#47705 - 07/18/06 09:18 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I am not pretending to know you motives, I know them. You are a devious liar protecting your religious imaginings. You are exposing that constantly
I am makin money.
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#47706 - 07/18/06 09:19 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
It sounds like you're saying , I already have been near your chickens. I would never get near them, they most likely have the Christian bird flu, which is much much worse than the regular bird flu
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#47707 - 07/18/06 09:21 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I don't have to didn't say it. My question is why you are asking me, rather than your psychiatrist. That has nothing to do with the subject. But of course your tactic is to constantly attempt to sway from the subject.
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#47708 - 07/18/06 09:22 PM
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#47709 - 07/18/06 09:22 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
"So the fact is you do want to harm me!
" and you like having sex with chickens!?!"
First a display of your paranoia, and second a lie. You are a sick sick man
You don't like having sex with chickens but do it anyway? Like an addiction of sorts...
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#47710 - 07/18/06 09:24 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
First you stupidly and unnecessarily say, that there is a reason for the way they spell perversion, and I say that is true of all words. Now you say, but all the reasons are not the same. Of course not, who said they were? You keep slipping down and down into irrelevance, in an attempt to flee your absurdity
Whatever it takes to keep you posting.
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#47711 - 07/18/06 09:25 PM
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Davyd
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$10 Mr Soul
Pick a number between 15 and 25 I...
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#47712 - 07/18/06 09:27 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Perversion was not the subject, and whether I will get onto that subject or not, is another question. What action am I justifying?. You make a ridiculous false statement and then add words similar to mine to it. (Are all over this thread) That does nothing but show, how much you want to confuse the reader. You have so many devious tactic you use, to try to escape being pinned down. But I won't let you get away with any of it
Perversion is the subject I wish to discuss.... if it's to tough for you or you feel unqualified... by all means let me know.
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#47713 - 07/18/06 09:28 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I said, (Perversion was not the subject,) now you in your pathological lying and your word addition tactic, have added the word" my". I have never said ," my" perversion was not the subject. I said perversion was not the subject. And perversion is and was not the subject, religion is the subject. Come out and say that I have a perversion, and say what it is
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#47714 - 07/18/06 09:32 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Where am I saying in the above or anywhere else, that lies are data, you ridiculous slime? I have been constantly saying the opposite. But that doesn't stop you from trying to pervert what I say, does it
What you refer to as lies is a religious database and apparently to your way of thinking it's unlimited. Lies must be data or there wouldn't be a database, so-called(it's a subjective statement with no basis in reality).
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#47715 - 07/18/06 09:34 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Where have I asked you about your personal life, I have been constantly telling you, that I do not have the slightest interest in your personal life. It is a display of your arrogance to even conceive that my hatred of you, has anything whatsoever to do with all other humans
First impressions are important.
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#47716 - 07/18/06 09:35 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Again, you have never stumped me. According to your corrupted definition of being stumped, everyone in the world is stumped, because they do not know what everybody else does. That is pure insanity of course, but you are not capable of anything else
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#47717 - 07/18/06 09:36 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
You are just showing how completely ridiculous you are
I'm thinking of trying a new thing with your next post, should be exciting!
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#47718 - 07/18/06 09:39 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
The people of science decide what they are going to study and how they are going to do it. The people of religion decide what they are going to do with what science has created, and how they are going to control the people. That's what I'm trying to get across to you, but your religious beliefs have created a mental block against reason and logic. The fact that both ( decide) is the humanity, which I said is the only similarity science and religion have
IF God is responsible for all the evil that is here because He created this world, then surely science must be equally responsible for their creations.
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#47719 - 07/18/06 09:42 PM
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Davyd
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your statement:
Fearful of what, I embrace all the hues of the spectrum
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#47720 - 07/18/06 09:46 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I know you were asking a question, devious one. You are pretending that I said that dead men can receive benefits, by deviously asking the question" what benefits do dead men receive
The purpose that drives a devout Jew is to make the world a home for God to abide with his people. This includes taking good stewardship of the land and the animals thereon. Nothing about destruction at all. Some of the greatest humanitarians and medical researchers as well as champions of their fellow mens' rights have been Jews.
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#47721 - 07/18/06 09:55 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
".So what benefit do you think dead men receive from you vilifying them? "
You obviously know the answer to that. Play your stupid games with somebody else
No, I wanna play with you cause if I play with you I get money.
What I am convinced about is that to restore public faith in the party funding system we need:
a) at least some element of state funding or match funding to create a more level playing field between the parties and reduce the need for donations and loans and thereby insinuations of "buying influence"...
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#47722 - 07/18/06 09:57 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I have never whistled in the dark because of fear. I whistled in the dark to find my dog
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#47723 - 07/18/06 09:58 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
I am the only hippopotamus, that can do such. I am a spiritual hippopotamus, you must believe in me; than you will know that what I say is true
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#47724 - 07/18/06 10:00 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Don't try to escape. The question was, what was the information in that lie? I don't see any of the gods at work around me, because there are no such things
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#47725 - 07/18/06 10:01 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
The information please
You are beginning to repeat yourself.
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#47726 - 07/18/06 10:05 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Oh, now I cut off discussions. What else are you going to pretend that I have done? Did you object, when I cut off the discussion? You don't seem to have any trouble continuing discussions, so how could I have cut it off?
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#47727 - 07/18/06 10:09 PM
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Davyd
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Your statement:
Back to an already covered subject again. Then you must have a problem with yourself, for that is precisely what you have been doing with atheist. There is a difference between individuals, and members of a criminal organization
The generation, preservation, and dissemination of information and ideas are primary functions of an academic institution. They are also primary functions of intelligence organizations. From this functional congruence have stemmed relationships between the academic and intelligence communities which in many instances are both proper and beneficial. There are, however, profound differences between the two communities which invest such relationships with potential for harm to the integrity and/or effectiveness of both. Open and unfettered exchange of information and ideas is the life blood of the academic community. For the intelligence community, on the other hand, secrecy is an inescapable fact of life. Furthermore, reports of questionable activities of intelligence organizations must influence consideration of relationships between such organizations and an academic community. It therefore is appropriate for the University to establish policies regarding issues of concern in relationships between itself and members of the University community and intelligence organizations in order to protect its interests in any such relationships.
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#47728 - 07/18/06 10:13 PM
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Davyd
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No, first of all, it is becauseit it does not matter. Secondly is is because I have no way of knowing who they are, and No way of counting them.
I watched a show today on the History channel. Did you know that Stalin also went delusional and paranoid towards the end?
And that has, of course, helped to ruin everything. But the Israelis have supreme power, locally, politically. They have supreme power economically. They've, for a long time, had absolute supreme power militarily. For them not to say where they think their border should be, and to keep fooling us and building strange walls that go outside the perimeter of any likely state, makes the moral equivalence thing a little harder to decide with an absolute.
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#47729 - 07/18/06 10:18 PM
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Your statement:
"So how many of us are you willing to continue to abuse, villify and condem? A percentage here will do."
Name just one person I have" abused". (Back to the demonizing). If you keep coming back and sitting on a hot stove, you are burning your own ass
What does this mean? It means that throughout the night, I had to put up with my mother saying in her Americanized Israeli accent "See? The cookies were a BIG hit. Everybody LOVED THE COOKIES. Right? Didn't you like the cookies? See, she LOVED the cookies. What do you say?" I then pulled out an Acme brand shotgun, put it to my head, and pulled the trigger to reveal a little flag that said "Thank you."
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#47730 - 07/18/06 10:24 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
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Your statement:
As I have said, I embrace all the hues of the spectrum, you must understand that that has to include the gray
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THURSDAY, MAY 18 12-1pm, The Institute for Complementary and Alter-native Medicine, ICAM WELLNESS LECTURE 2006 SERIES will a sponsor a presentation on Acupuncture by Cynthia Paige, MD, Assistant Professor at NJMS Department of Family Medicine, on the Newark cam-pus, room TBA. Light Refreshments will be served. RSVP to Liz Cunha, cunhaem@umdnj.edu, 973-972-8592. MONDAY, MAY 2212thAnnual Poster Day12:30 – 2:30 PM Stanley S Bergen Building—9thfloor MONDAY, MAY 22Annual Recognition DinnerPines Manor, Edison, NJ6:00 pm Invitations were mailed to all faculty, graduating stu-dents and staff. Call 973-972-4496 if you did not receive yours. If you did not receive an invitation but would like to at-tend, please call. If you do not fall in one of the groups above and would like to attend call. This event is com-plementary to all graduating students, honorees, volun-teer (not paid) faculty and staff. SATURDAY& SUNDAY, JUNE 3 & 4Special OlympicsCollege of New Jersey Students, faculty, staff, family and friends invited Volunteer form available on page 9 Temporary Changes in the Dean’s Office With the many changes in the Dean’s Office, Newarkcampus, the following temporary changes are in effect: Contracts :Donna Cifelli Employment-faculty and staff related matters: Avril Lecky and Jimalyn JaingaGrants (faculty related): Maria Constanten Grants-(student related): Cherlyn Scantlebury Newsletter:Donna CifelliSHRP NEWS PAGE 4 ISSUE MAY 2006 Reminder: Please send information for SHRP’s monthly newsletter to: SHRPnews@umdnj.edu no later than the date on page one. Information received after may be placed in the following month’s newsletter.Upcoming EventsKudos to the Dietetic Internship Program Fifteen graduates of the Dietetic Internship Class of 2005 took the Registration Exam in the period July 1, 2005 to December 31, 2005 as recently reported to us by the Commission on Dietetic Registration. All fifteen of those gradu-ates passed the exam for a pass rate of 100%. This is above the National Pass Rate of 83% for first time test takers who were graduates of Dietetic Internship Programs. The total mean scaled score for the UMDNJ Dietetic Internship graduates was 31.1 which was above the national mean scaled score of 27.8 for all first time test takers. Our graduates’ mean scaled food and nutrition sub-score was 18.1, which was also above the national average of 15.6. The mean sub-score for food service systems and manage-ment was 18.2 for UMDNJ graduates, and this was also above the national average of 15.6 and was a significant im-provement for UMDNJ graduates. One additional graduate of the class of 2005 took the exam in January of 2006 and she reported to us that she also passed the exam but we will not receive report of that until July 2006. Know the true value of time; Snatch, seize, and enjoy Every moment of it - Philip Dormer Stanhope
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A Success StorySent to Clint Dozier, Director of Pre College Programs Hello Mr. Dozier I hope this e-mail find you in good health and happy times. Perhaps you do not remember me, but I attend your Pre-College program and the Urban Scholars program from 1990-1995. Wow! It is amazing how time just seems to fly by. My name is Kathleen Calixto and was a student at the time in Science High School and later graduated from Rutgers University in New Brunswick. Currently I am a chiropractor and also teach anatomy and physiology at ITM, at Pomp-ton Lakes which has a program also at UMDNJ - Newark. I am writing, not only to say hello, but to seek your assistance. While being one of your students, I remember having the opportunity of observing cadavers in the gross anatomy lab. I would like to provide this opportunity to the stu-dents that I currently teach. I would like to share with my students the visual aspect to further learn about the human body. Before the semester is over I would really love to have my students experience this opportunity. If you are able to help me with this or guide me in the correct direction, I would greatly appreciate any assistance. Thank you for your time. Dr Kathleen Calixto From: David ScottTo: breen@umdnj.eduSubject: David Scott Military duty in Iraq— Graduate of the Dental Hygiene Program....1998...Hello Dr. Breen this is David Scott, I apologize for the delay but here is some of the background information on my 10 month tour of duty in Iraq. I was assigned to the 50th MSB (Main Support Battalion) 42nd Infantry Division out of Jer-sey City, New Jersey. My unit first reported to Fort Dix in the summer of 2005 for extensive training in urban warfare and convoy attacks , training that took months to complete. After the training was complete we flew to Kuwait for proc-essing and additional equipment issue and then off to Iraq we went. In order to get to our area of operation which was (FOB Spiecher) Tikrit we had to convoy for 3 days and nights with weapons out the window and gun trucks in front and behind the convoy. Once we got to our base ( FOB Speicher ) we relieved the unit that was there and set up equipment, in my case my job was to set up a fully functional dental clinic with all portable items. If it were not for the training I received at UMDNJ and the experience I received in the work force I feel this task would not have reached the level itdid, you see I was the only licensed hygienist in our battalion and the only one with the skill set to get the job done. Dur-ing my tour I received many awards one being an Airforce Achievement medal for my work with the Airforce in their time of need, others were special coins presented to me by various military leaders including a Command Seargent Ma-jor Of The Army and a Commander of a helicopter unit that helped keep his pilots in the air. The clinic in which I worked was a secondary clinic to the CSH ( Combat Support Hospital ) clinic also on the base but we had our share of wounded to come through our doors. Sometimes convoys on their way to our FOB ( Forward Operating Base ) would come under attack usually by IED's ( Improvised Explosive Device ) and would receive treatment from some of the finest medics, Physician Assistants, & doctors that I have ever worked with. We worked on everyone ( medical and dental ) from coalition troops to Iraqi locals often teams of people from our clinic would go into the towns and do humanitarian missions. The dental clinic was equipped to handle all dental problems with the exception of more complicated dental procedures, those patients were sent to another base for that. About 7 months into my tour I was sent to another FOB (FOB Danger ) also in Tikrit that was one of Sadaams many palace complexes, I got a chance to see with my own eyes theexcessive lifestyle that Sadaam Hussain lived while in power. Since the base was in the city of Tikrit we were hit with bombs on a daily basis and had our share of wounded. Many people do not regard dentistry as very important part of medicine but as was proved by myself and several dentists, dentistry is and always will be a large part of soldier readi-ness. Dr. Breen please have Dr. Kuhl read over this to make sure there is nothing against army policy or to sensitive for pub-lic eyes. If you need any more information or would like pictures please let me know. Again thank you very much. Seargent David ScottSHRP NEWS PAGE 5 ISSUE MAY 2006 Student update contd. on following page Alumni News!! Contd. From page 3
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ASAHP: Scholarship of Excellence Award The due date for nominations is May 15th. For more infor-mation: http://asahp.org/excellence_award.htmOnline Graduate Survey for May 2006 graduates Maria Constanten An e-mail notification was sent to all May graduates withinstructions to complete the Graduate Survey inWebCT. The online survey is completely confidential and open 24 hours from April 4ththrough May 19th. If you do not receive notification and are eligible to graduate, or need the survey go to shrpSurvey@UMDNJ.eduCongratulations and thank you in advance for your support. Presentation Lynn R. Miller, JD, Director of Education, Institute for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, presented "Complementary & Alternative Medicine: An Overview" to the Complementary and Alternative Medicine Associa-tion at UMDNJ- School of Osteopathic Medicine, Strat-ford, New Jersey on March 21, 2006. Robin Eubanks, Ph.D. – presented an overview of SHRP’s efforts in implementing cultural competency throughout the School. “Caring for New Jersey’s Multi-cultural Population: A Cultural Competency Summit”was sponsored by the Bildner Family Foundation NJ Campus Diversity Initiative, UMDNJ Cultural Compe-tency Project, and the NJ Medical School Hispanic Cen-ter of Excellence. The summit was hosted at the New Jersey Hospital Association, Princeton, NJ – April 24, 2006. Adam Perlman, MD, MPH, Executive Director of the Institute for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, presented: “Complementary and Alternative Medicine: A Historical and Research Perspective”. Lehman College, City University of New York, Bronx, NY, April 3, 2006. Adam Perlman, MD, MPH, Executive Director of the Institute for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, presented “Complementary & Alternative Medicine: What the Lupus Patient Should Know”. Lupus Founda-tion of America, Springfield, NJ. March 25, 2006. Adam Perlman, MD, MPH, Executive Director of the Institute for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, accepted the nomination to join the Board of Trustees of The Healthcare Foundation of New Jersey, Livingston, NJ. April 2006. Laura Byham-Gray, PhD, RD, Assistant Professor,Clinical Nutrition was an invited speaker at the Philadel-phia Chapter of the American Society of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition (PASPEN) on March 22nd, to present the topic of “Energy Estimations Across the Spectrum of Kid-ney Disease.” Carolyn Breen, EdD, RDH, Professor, Allied Dental Education was installed as the new President of the New Jersey Dental Assisting Association. Honors Revised Faculty Benefits and Information Available! An overview of The Faculty Benefits and Information was revised by Human Resources Dept. This information can be found on the UMDNJ portal—Faculty and Staff Re-sources—General folder. Laura Byham-Gray, PhD, RD, Assistant Professor, Clini-cal Nutrition. Scope of practice in renal nutrition. Journal of Renal Nutrition. 2006; 16(2): 160-167. Michele Wein, PhD and Felicia Stoler, MS, RD both of the clinical Nutrition. Food and Nutrition Misinformation. Journal of the American Dietetic Association, April 2006.Publication Faculty Highlights! SHRP NEWS PAGE 6 ISSUE MAY 2006 Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. - Robert F. Kennedy Make Change Happen !! Student Update
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New Jersey Dental Assistants Association Annual Session — April 8-9, 2006 Somerset, New Jersey SHRP NEWS PAGE 7 ISSUE MAY 2006 Congrats on your two first place and one second place posters Congratulations to the Dental Assisting Class of 2007
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SHRP Faculty Retreat June 14, 2006 2006 SHRP Annual Retreat: “Refresh and Renew: It Can Happen to You!” WEDNESDAY, JUNE 14THFROM 9-3:30 PM Location, Logistics, and Lodging…. We have been receiving some enthusiastic responses to the 2006 SHRP Annual Retreat. We hope everyone will be able to attend. We would like to post some additional information since we have been receiving a few requests and inquiries. LOCATION: The Retreat will be held at the University Inn at Rutgers, which is a beautiful facility located in the New Brunswick area rich in history: http://univinn.rutgers.edu/history.jsp You can find directions to the Inn at: http://univinn.rutgers.edu/directions.jsp. While there, take a virtual tour and check-out the surroundings and menu options http://univinn.rutgers.edu/photo_tour.jsp We think you will be pleased. LOGISTICS: Parking is free, and plentiful! You will receive a yellow parking card so that you can park without diffi-culty. No tickets, no meters, no worries.DRESS CODE: Please come in casual attire, remember this is a Retreat! We are not responsible if your business suit gets dirty! LODGING: There is lodging available at the University Inn. The Standard Room rates are $94.00/single occupancy or $105.00/double occupancy or Deluxe Room rates are $114.00/single occupancy or $125.00/double occupancy. (And no, this isn’t a reimbursable expense). RSVP: We will be sending-out an e-vite (electronic invitation) to everyone in mid-May, PLEASE RSVP BY MAY 30THSO THAT WE CAN BEST MAKE OUR PLANS AND ARRANGEMENTS. QUESTIONS: Please direct any questions to the Chair of the Committee on Faculty Development at laura.byham-gray@umdnj.edu or 856.566.6451. SHRP NEWS PAGE 8 ISSUE MAY 2006 Employee Update Faculty & Staff Changes Welcome to Zi-Wei Chen, M.D., the newest member of the ICAM staff. Dr. Chen, an experienced Research Sci-entist, was a UMDNJ employee in the Dept. of Neurosci-ences and then worked with Dr. Gould Fogerite in Pa-thology, then BioDelivery Sciences International, Inc. for ten years. Dr. Chen will be working on an NIH grant subcontract for sub unit HIV vaccines with Dr. Gould Fogerite. He and Dr. Gould Fogerite will also be collabo-rating with Dr. Michelle Wien of the SHRP Nutrition Program to determine levels of various inflammatory and diabetes related markers for Dr. Wien’s clinical trial on the effects of almond consumption on pre-diabetes. New Jersey Network (NJN) News (Trenton): Sara LeeKessler, health and medical correspondent at NJN, inter-viewed three SHRP employees about the outcomes of ahealth and wellness pilot program. The Worksite Wellness Program was designed to provide UMDNJ faculty and staff with an opportunity to partici-pate in a 12-week program focused on improving healthy lifestyles. Dr. Riva Touger-Decker, Felicia Stoler and Crystal Cassagnol-Jones, all of SHRP, were inter-viewed. The segment aired during the news on Thursday, April 27, and on Friday morning, April 28. In the News! Employee of the Year! Congratulations to Patricia Kelly, from the Stratford Campus who is the 2005-2006 recipient of the Employee Rec-ognition Award. Nominees were Kathy Lawrence, Mabel Nowell and Cherlyn Scantlebury all from the Newark Campus. All are winners! To be nominated is a great honor but unfortunately only one can get the award.
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#47731 - 07/19/06 03:28 PM
Re: The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution
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Davyd
Your statement:
"Bayesian theory and Bayesian probability are named after Thomas Bayes (1702 — 1761), who proved a special case of what is now called Bayes' theorem. The term Bayesian, however, came into use only around 1950, and it is not clear that Bayes would have endorsed the very broad interpretation of probability that is associated with his name. Laplace proved a more general version of Bayes' theorem and used it to solve problems in celestial mechanics, medical statistics and, by some accounts, even jurisprudence. Laplace, however, didn't consider this general theorem to be important for probability theory. He instead adhered to the classical interpretation of probability.
Frank P. Ramsey in The Foundations of Mathematics (1931) first proposed using subjective belief as way of interpreting probability. Ramsey saw this interpretation as a complement to the frequency interpretation of probability, which was more established and accepted at the time. The statistician Bruno de Finetti in 1937 adopted Ramsey's view as an alternative to the frequency interpretation of probability. L. J. Savage expanded the idea in The Foundations of Statistics (1954).
Formal attempts have been made to define and apply the intuitive notion of a "degree of belief". The most common application is based on betting: a degree of belief is reflected in the odds and stakes that the subject is willing to bet on the proposition at hand.
When beliefs have degrees, theorems of probability calculus measure the rationality of beliefs in the same way that the theorems of first order logic measure the rationality of beliefs. Many regard degrees of belief as extensions of classical truth values (true and false).
The Bayesian approach has been explored by Harold Jeffreys, Richard T. Cox, Edwin Jaynes and I. J. Good. Other well-known proponents of Bayesian probability have included John Maynard Keynes and B.O. Koopman."
Your point?
Your statement:
"They are no more directed than you are directed by the American Athiest Association. "
What rules and regulations do atheists have, what atheists tells all other atheists, how to live there lives? What is the moral code of atheism?. What is the ultimate goal of being an atheists? What rewards are given to atheists if they behave? Who threatens people, for not being atheists? Etc. etc.. It should be obvious to anyone who is sane, that atheists are not directed, and that Christians are completely directed even unto their thoughts. By the way I already said that I am not a member of any atheists organization
Your statement:
(How quickly you have ignored my answer to that falsity. Christianity is both an organization and an organism )
"Can't be both... one is death to the other. "
Nonsense
Your statement:
"Sounds rather judgemental of you."
Of course it is judgmental
Your statement:
"As I said, bigot"
Speaking the truth, is not being bigoted. I am not being bigoted, when I say all carnivores kill
Your statement:
"Either it's true and happened or it didn't."
Are you questioning your Bible
Your statement:
"(Is that the best excuse you can come up with? How can anyone or anything, interfere with your God's perfection? )
"Grace "
Don't just drool, answer the question
Your statement:
"Just as God displays His love for us."
There is no God. However you are agreeing with me, that there are ways that people display their motives
your statement:
"I knew it would be boring before I posted my first reply to you, but I can tolerate boring at $1/page."
Than stop making it boring
Your statement:
(That's ridiculous, none of the other religions had any problem naming their religion. It would not be like trying to name each breath you take, do you change your religion every time you take a breath? )
"I'm not speaking for any other religion.
" Yes, it changes... organism remember"
You are talking about naming a religion, stop trying to pervert the subject Of course organisms change, all things change. Again religion is both an organism and an organization. I did not say either one did not change. Stop the devious falsifying. Try living in truth for once; Christian
Your statement:
"The rest of the paragraph didn't make much sense either... are you having problems with your voice recognition software? "
The rest of the paragraph makes complete sense, like all my statements make complete sense. One typographical error cannot remove the sense or the meaning of at paragraph no matter how desperate you are
Your Statement:
"You've confused yourself with two separate discussions. Firstly science did not say... and secondly other scientists did know about the Piltdown Man and refused to say anything"
I have not confused anything, you are just continuing your devious games. Science did not say what creep? It would be interesting to know who those scientists were who knowingly kept information from the public, and how they would benefit from such. It is obvious why the church withholds the truth in every way possible, including terrorism and murder
Your statement:
"Well let's not forget, that you accused me of being chained to science, and asked me what I disagreed about with science. I told you what I disagreed with. So you were wrong when you said I was chained to science"
"You are chained to science.
Y" ou only told me about some individuals you disagree with"
What individual scientists did I mention, liar? They were scientific conclusions, and I disagreed with them. Now you explain, how I am chained to science
Your statement:
(I was not quoting individuals, I was quoting science reports. Why do you keep up the twisting and lying?)
"And who wrote the report? "
I don't know and I don't care who wrote them. That has nothing to do with it
Your statement:
(I do not believe you.
"That's actually more paranoid than what I had given you credit for."
That(I do not believe you) was in relation to another part of your statement. You added it to the rest of my statements, to deceive and pervert my statement. You asked whether I thought you continued making individual posts, for some reason that you suggested. I then gave you the reason I thought you were doing it, in this statement, without the ( I do not believe you) .(You are replying in a series of individual posts, to make it easier for others to fill in and pretend it is you )
Your statement:
"Sounds like you live in a miserable existence to live among so many liars. "
Yes indeed existence has been made far more miserable for everyone, because of the lies, etc. of the criminal scum ,that control humanity
Your statement:
(No the proof is in your statements and the tactics you use)
"I've repeatedly stated there is no "proof" for the existence of God... it is a matter of belief."
My statement above was in relation to your deviousness and lines, which are being continually exposed in every statement you make. It had absolutely nothing to do with proof of your God. Of course there is no proof of your God, because there is no such thing. Yes indeed it has to be a matter of belief, when you are not living with the truth. Belief is a glorified lie. The acceptance of Belief, is accepting, dignifying, and encouraging insanity
Your statement:
"And again you've never stated what you find so bloody horrible about feeding/clothing or housing the poor."
I reply to this statement at least twice, liar
Your statement:
"I have no idea if they did or not. It's not exactly on my top 10 things to read about."
What is on or is not on your list, is just an avoidance of answering the question
Your statement:
"Perhaps your religion is about controlling the whole world"
As you know, I have no religion
Your statement:
"And again, you are the psychic not me so you would know what the Pope wants not me"
The pope and all the rest of the religious leaders.
Your statement:
"When you talk about common decency you are talking subjective judgement again aren't you..."
That isn't the point. Ask the victims, how important subjectivity or objectivity was or is to them
Your statement:
"Are you sure no one did quit the church or condem it's actions."
Don't play games. Many people have quit religions for assorted reasons, mostly to join another one, or start their own. If any dared to quit a church simply to reject that churcheshideous crimes, it certainly wasn't enough to make a difference. The majority if not all, should have quit the church 8ut than again, only decent people would do that, evidently there were not that many decent numbers of that church
Your statement:
(I have answered that at least three times, possibility, past experience, and desire )
"Sounds like belief to me."
That was in response to your question of what I base my hope on,. Yes you can pretend that anything sounds like religion to you
Your statement:
"What did the church do yesterday that was criminal?"
I have no way of keeping track of its crimes.. But it's obvious crimes that it keeps on committing, are its continuing attempt to take over this government, the use of deception and lies in its programming of children and adults, it's use of its tax-free status, for political purposes, etc.
Your statement:
"Is that lie as in falsehood or lie as in horizontal position?
" The only thing I have denied is a knowledge of middle age Church history."
I will never take your word for that
Your statement:
(It is to be blamed for committing the actions, for allowing the actions, for benefiting from the actions, for not protesting and leaving the church, for denying its crimes past and present, for the defending and supporting of their evil religion )
""It" really isn't a proper way to refer to fellow human beings.
" An excellent example of where your misguided thoughts about organization and organism have left you confused."
A proper way to refer to human beings, is not the subject. What are my " misguided" thoughts about organization and organism?
Your statement:
"Ever read early American history"
What does American history have to do, with your pretensions of any similarity in science and religion?
Your statement:
(What does what I disagree with science about , have to do with your false comparison of science and religion )
"You remind me in many ways of a fundamentalist Baptist who blindly follows whatever that group says to believe. You only tell me about what you disagree with regarding a preacher from a different group."
A completely irrational statement. I disagreed with scientific reports given to the public, not with any preacher from a different group, scientists are not preachers.. It is you religious believers, who blindly follow whatever their religion says.
Your statement:
(They did follow the Bibles instructions, it calls for murder, destruction,, destruction of societies, war, pain and what, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc)
"They did all that to Galileo?
Did somebody say they did all that to Galileo, you must be imagining that
Your statement:
"Sounds like an ideal way to explain to me.
" Few is a relative term...
" How many exactly knew about it? How many exactly protested?"
That repeated and answered question is completely ridiculous. Again it is impossible to know how many, and again obviously there was not enough to make any difference. The majority of Christians should have objected to what was going on, and left the church. .
Your statement:
(You don't need anyones name, to say that whoever did it was wrong and evil., do you? And sleazy one I am not talking about just one pope, one time, or one place. I am talking about one religion )
"All that and you still didn't tell me who it was... I doubt you even know for all the claims to have so much knowledge about these things."
I did not tell you what what was liar? What were you replying to, that I supposedly did not answer?
Your statement:
"So based on the actions of one person you condem an entire group of people who weren't even alive when these events happened"
Yes, and you are constantly ignoring my statement of why
Your statement:
(It does not matter what would be different. Stop trying to get off the subject. Crimes are crimes and crimes of that nature should never be accepted or excused, no matter what the outcome.)
"So if your great grandfather stole some food you'd be willing to condem him to this day."
What a loaded, stupid, and unrelated statement. I would of course always say what my grandfather did. I would never deny it. But Your attempt to equate a desperate, starving individuals crime of robbery of food, with the hideous crimes of an all powerful Christianity imposing itself on, and using the citizens it conquered to get more control, more power, and all of the best this world has to offer, is grotesque
Your statement:
(It was significant enough , for you to make sure you put it in their )
"Put what in where?"
You know the answer to both, evil clown. You are hoping that I will forget, or have to go back to check. The word was (based) on not knowing. I said there was a difference between something being (based) on not knowing, and simply not knowing. These are all the many tactics you use to confuse, to attempt to make me not reply to you, and to get away from being pinned down to anything specific. These tactics display your glaring foolishness , stupidity, and evil
Your statement:
(Your religion includes the thoughts of your belief, as well as the physical components of your belief, they are one and the same. Your Thoughts about your involvement in anything, are parts of that involvement )
"I disagree, thoughts are one thing... physical action is another. "
As your right leg is one thing and your left leg is another. If you were not completely insane, it would be obvious that your thoughts about your involvement in anything, are part of that involvement. There is no way that even the insane such as yourself, can deny that without exposing how severely your mental problem affects you
Your statement:
(What has that to do with your lie, that I said atheist were mentally ill? )
"Why did you say it if it was a lie? "
Your statement that I said atheist were mentally ill, was a lie. You are so twisted and evil, that you think your lying benefits you.
Your statement:
"So you just believe you won't fly off the earth, if trust is not needed."
No you twisted freak, I don't know whether I will fly off the earth or not, it does not concern me period, it has nothing to do with any belief and trust is not necessary. If it happens it happens
Your statement:
(Not once and for all, but over and over again. You fake are pretending, that I equate and do not talk straight forward. You exist in your sewer of lies, and think everybody lives there.. You are pretending that I did not directly say what I trust, while at the same time accusing me of being chained to science, when I listed straightforwardly science as one of the things I trust.)
"Again you say you trust science but when pressed you hesitate. "
Pressed?? I say I trust science and I do. Disagreeing with something or someone you trust, is in no way ceasing to trust them. But of course in your convoluted mind, nothing can make sense
Your statement:
(I never said moron, liar, that I would not fall off the earth. I said that it is so unlikely, as not to be bothered with. You are trying to pretend I have beliefs,(And of course you have failed completely at that.)
"So you offer no proof, no facts... just subjective beliefs about my character... typical "
What has that got to do with my statement above, that you are supposedly replying to?
There is nothing subjective about your lies, tactics, and deviousness, that are continually displayed in this reality
Your statement:
(Well you seem to be extremely interested in that" crap". That" crap" is so important to you, that it is necessary for you to reply. Yes I heard of the boy who whistled in the dark, to pretend he was not afraid. What has that to do with anything, other than your attempting to say that I am afraid of something particular. Rest assured that there were many boys, who whistled in the dark precisely because they were not afraid . What is it you think I am so afraid of? )
"I'm interested in the money Mr Soul is paying me."
That (might) be one of the reasons you keep replying to my " crap", but it certainly is not the main reason
Your statement:
"I have no idea what you are afraid of... it was a neat little story and I wondered how you would respond to it."
Now you know how I responded to it
Your statement:
(Is it your religion that makes you such a devious, criminal, liar, and distorter of statements, or are you just completely insane? I never said that you said I would fall off the earth; you pathological liar. You asked me if or why I was not afraid of falling off the earth, deviously trying to prove that I had some kind of faith or belief. I said you scum that, the chance of my falling off the earth is too small a matter to be bothered with )
"Did I say fall or did I say fly? "
Get of the nonsense, it does not matter which you said
Your statement:
"Kinda like Jesus eh"
No, my light is truth, his so-called light was taken from past religious lies, mixed with some Buddhist teachings
Your statement:
"If filthy does not describe the opposite of clean then what does it refer to? What does based have to do with it?
" So we have the plain fake, the filthy fake... any other types of fakes I should know about?"
Again (based) cannot be disconnected from what is ( based) on it. I did not say (based) had anything to do with calling you a filthy fake. You are implying that, in your deviousness. You know full well moron, that I was using filthy as an insult not as it is defined. Just as when one calls someone a jackass or a jerk, etc. you are the very definition of most of the other words that can be put before fake
Your statement:
"Believing subjective statements to be facts is arrogant, especially when they are your statements. "
They are objective facts, before they become my statements
Your statement:
"So Christians are to blame and athiests get a free ride... do you even consider how silly this sounds?"
Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds, when you twist everything around. Atheist do not get a free ride (if and when) they commit a crime. Your perversion of blaming atheist for what communists have done, and your constant excusing and trying to soft pedal the heinous crimes of your terrorist religion,by comparing their criminality with other criminals to pretend that they were not as bad; is sickening
Your statement:
(They may not be interested in the names of popes, but they are certainly interested in what those popes did . When you are judging something or someone, the decision must include its past actions. You attempt all kinds of nonsensical ways, to protect and deny for those criminals you wish to protect. And you wish to protect them, because you are of the same mentality )
"Knowing their names would be an indicator of really knowing what they did or didn't do."
That is absolutely ridiculous. Knowing their names cannot be any possible indication of their criminal acts. Only After it has been found that criminal acts are committed and it is found out who committed them, do the names have any importance whatsoever
Your statement:
"So based on the treatment of different races, cultures, women and the disabled you'd say that America is an evil empire."
Americans objected to the evils their government was committing, and in great numbers put themselves on the line to end those evils; and in many cases succeeded. That can happen in a democracy.. That cannot be compared with the dictatorship and mind control of the Christian religion
Your statement:
"You can't handle the truth!"
Because I can handle the truth, I do not have to play make believe. People like you who play make believe , show that you cannot handle the truth
Your statement:
"You are a psychic battling windmills.
" I am makin money."
See how you are using windmills, as I used filthy . The money (if you are indeed getting any) is secondary
Your statement:
"All the same, please stay away from my chickens you pervert. "
And how does anybody know, what you are doing with your chickens?
Your statement:
(I don't have to didn't say it. My question is why you are asking me, rather than your psychiatrist. That has nothing to do with the subject. But of course your tactic is to constantly attempt to sway from the subject.)
"I'm an adult, I can choose what subject I wish to address. If this topic is to difficult for you"
Of course you can. But still I am asking you, why you did not ask your psychiatrist rather than me?
Your statement:
""So the fact is you do want to harm me!
" and you like having sex with chickens!?!"
(First a display of your paranoia, and second a lie. You are a sick sick man )
Your statement:
"It's not paranoid if people really are out to get you. Your words demonstrate your desire to hurt Christians."
They demonstrate only my hatred. Whether I will act on my hatred, is another matter. They are indeed two separate matters. If you cannot recognize that, that is your problem. But of course this is just another of your attempts to demonize me
Your statement:
"You don't like having sex with chickens but do it anyway? Like an addiction of sorts"
No, I cannot imagine liking sex with chickens,
Your statement:
(Perversion was not the subject, and whether I will get onto that subject or not, is another question. What action am I justifying?. You make a ridiculous false statement and then add words similar to mine to it. (Are all over this thread) That does nothing but show, how much you want to confuse the reader. You have so many devious tactic you use, to try to escape being pinned down. But I won't let you get away with any of it )
"yea yea, just as long as you keep posting.
" Perversion is the subject I wish to discuss.... if it's to tough for you or you feel unqualified... by all means let me know. "
No, I don't want you to be able to escape, the subject of religion
Your statement:
(I said, (Perversion was not the subject,) now you in your pathological lying and your word addition tactic, have added the word" my". I have never said ," my" perversion was not the subject. I said perversion was not the subject. And perversion is and was not the subject, religion is the subject. Come out and say that I have a perversion, and say what it is )
"Ya know for a guy who swears he doesn't wanna talk about perversion.. you sure talk about it a lot."
The above is not talking about perversion, it is making sure you don't get away with, adding words
Your statement:
"What you refer to as lies is a religious database and apparently to your way of thinking it's unlimited. Lies must be data or there wouldn't be a database, so-called(it's a subjective statement with no basis in reality). "
Yes lies are unlimited. There is no database about gods and beliefs, they are nothing but lies, that was the subject. The data of the rules, regulations, expenses, titles, buildings, pronouncements, directories, songs, paraphernalia etc. etc. etc. are human setups, and are completely void of any data concerning religious belief and gods. Again subjectivity does have a basis in reality
Your statement:
"Isn't it amazing how you can come up with the most destructive thing on the face of the earth... and you give them a pass when it's used to kill millions."
Scientists come across truth, processes, etc. that enables humanity to create and do many things. To blame them for what is done with that knowledge, is like blaming automobile manufacturers and gun manufacturers for the criminal acts of those who use them for crimes. The criminal's are those who use the inventions and creations of science to hurt humanity, like the Christian Church. I do not give them a free pass, you are the one trying to give the Christian church a free pass
Your statement:
"IF God is responsible for all the evil that is here because He created this world, then surely science must be equally responsible for their creations."
Scientists cannot control what is done with that knowledge. Your God controls everything, does he not ? Are you so mindless, that you cannot tell the difference
Your statement:
(I know you were asking a question, devious one. You are pretending that I said that dead men can receive benefits, by deviously asking the question" what benefits do dead men receive )
"That's great! You can read... now answer the freaking question."
If you could read you could see in the above statement, (You are pretending that I said that dead men can receive benefits,). Now very slowly, can you understand that that shows, that I am angry that you pretended that I said a dead men can receive benefits. So continue slowly, if I am angry that you pretend that I said that, it has to be because I did not say that. That answers your question all by itself, but I answered it more directly then that also. I said that legal death benefits and gifts can only be given to the estates or relatives of a dead person. The answer that you deviously pretended did not exist, was no
Your statement:
"The purpose that drives a devout Jew is to make the world a home for God to abide with his people. This includes taking good stewardship of the land and the animals thereon. Nothing about destruction at all. Some of the greatest humanitarians and medical researchers as well as champions of their | | | | |
. For some reason the title of this thread had me thinking that it belonged in the sex and relationship forum.