#41261 - 06/20/06 09:28 AM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by candra:
Be clear, I'm not defending this woman, but I don't think she should automatically be condemned because she killed an "autistic" kid. 
And why did you put autistic in quotes?
If everyone supports Karen's right to PAD, how about supporting Katie's right to LIVE?
See, Karen, this is precisely what Susan and I worry about--people seem to connect the two. They are TOTALLY UNRELATED. Why would anyone think they are connected? Because to MANY ABs (no, not all, PD), if one gimp wants to die, it must mean we all do. So, let's do the kid a favor. :rolleyes:
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#41262 - 06/20/06 10:26 AM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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MerryA
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
she pled not guilty .
Why are you so upset that she is using the justice system as it was designed to be used? If it goes to trial (if they do not do a plea agreement), her confession to the police will be used as evidence against her by the prosecution.
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#41263 - 06/20/06 10:28 AM
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ParaDude
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So Mr. Soul...many people think the Earth is Flat, doesn't mean I'm gonna stress out about it.
Lot's of people are guilty of a crime yet still walk away because they are deemed unfit to stand trail, or even not guilty due to insanity OR imho they kill out of compassion.
Is a soldier on the battle field guilty of murder if he puts a friend out of his misery? Even if he admits he did it?
The only "evidence" we hear about is that speculative kind we read in the newspapers, I'll wait until this woman has her day in court before I make any rush to judgement. You all should do the same.
Again, something no one here has tried to answer:
The woman has been charged with murder, she awaits her trail. What more do you want?
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#41265 - 06/20/06 11:32 AM
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ParaDude
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No I wouldn't have known about this if you hadn't posted it. I don't know the specifics of a lot of children being abused and killed in N.America either, and most of them were not disabled.
You want the media to say what you want? You need to move out of the US then because last I heard, ya'll had a freedom of the press thing there and you can't dictate to them what they are supposed to print.
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#41266 - 06/20/06 11:43 AM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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MerryA
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I agree that the Autism Society should not be doing what they are doing - but fuss at them not us - we aren't justifying this murder. We have the similar problems in this area with The ARC - they are supporting institutionalization instead of community supports. 
It is obviously a local issue - there is not any national coverage - to change the way it is being dealt with locally, you must direct you comments to the locals.
Don't get upset with us because we are too busy stomping out fires in our back yards to join your outrage over comments that stupid people make - like your local Autism Society. The system is working - they woman is being tried for murder.
Deal with the Autism Society - they are the problem from you say.
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#41267 - 06/20/06 08:28 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
See, Karen, this is precisely what Susan and I worry about--people seem to connect the two. They are TOTALLY UNRELATED.
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#41268 - 06/20/06 08:38 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Decide what? She admitted it. You don't think she should be condemned? Exactly what the hell do people have to do to earn your condemnation, if killing an innocent child doesn't qualify??
And why did you put autistic in quotes?
If everyone supports Karen's right to PAD, how about supporting Katie's right to LIVE?
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#41269 - 06/20/06 09:22 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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walkin and rollin
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Most killed children only make their local news unless the crime is especially heinous and newsworthy. I don't hear the names of children killed in Portland, which is 100 miles north in the same state, unless I buy the Portland paper.
Which way do you think public concern is headed for the woman who killed her estranged boyfriend, her handicapped child, and her AB child, before killing herself?
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#41270 - 06/20/06 09:57 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by walkin and rollin:
Most killed children only make their local news unless the crime is especially heinous and newsworthy. I don't hear the names of children killed in Portland, which is 100 miles north in the same state, unless I buy the Portland paper.
Which way do you think public concern is headed for the woman who killed her estranged boyfriend, her handicapped child, and her AB child, before killing herself?
walkin
...and like Karen said, what the heck does Katie have to do with NDYs agenda? Seems to be far removed from their actual mantra.
Hi Karen. 
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#41271 - 06/21/06 12:27 AM
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cass
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again. NDY was approached by the child's grandfather. they have not, to my knowledge, done anything than what he asked, which was to post her picture and desseminate it to other internet sources they deemed appropriate.
exactly what do you think NDY should have done when he asked them to post her picture?
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#41272 - 06/21/06 12:40 AM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by cass:
again. NDY was approached by the child's grandfather. they have not, to my knowledge, done anything than what he asked, which was to post her picture and desseminate it to other internet sources they deemed appropriate.
exactly what do you think NDY should have done when he asked them to post her picture?
I am under the impression that NDY advocates for those people like Terri Shiavo (sorry if I didn't spell that right), I don't see a connection between NDY and Katie.
We only have the word of NDY on how Katie's grandfather came to ask them to post her picture, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was NDY, or a representative who approached him first and then he asked them to do what they did.
It seems to me that if the grandfather wished for her picture and her memory to be honored in a good way then the last number he should have looked up in the Yellow Pages was NDY.
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#41273 - 06/21/06 12:52 AM
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cass
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well, pd, i can point you to places on the net where he has posted. but you can always say it isn't him.
unf., i cannot share the listserv e i get, but i assure you, no one at NDY is lying. search the grandfather's name, if you like. he has posted and thanked ppl.
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#41274 - 06/21/06 01:00 AM
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ParaDude
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Well...imho...NDY did the man a diservice then. NDY should have pointed him in the direction of other organizations that are more suited for his particular situation.
This particular case has nothing to do with what NDY is all about.
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#41275 - 06/21/06 01:03 AM
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cass
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they did.
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#41276 - 06/21/06 01:07 AM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by cass:
they did.
Oh well, thankfully NDY isn't that powerful of a group to make much of a difference anyways...if they ever managed to weild any power then I'd be more concerned about them.
Let me know how the Katie case ends and then I'll share your outrage. Till then, Katie's Mom is awaiting trial and for her day in court...the system seems to be working so far.
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