#41180 - 06/16/06 11:50 AM
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ParaDude
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LOL...compassionate homicide. That sounds just about right. Although I would suggest it as more of a mercy killing.
I believe in mercy killing as a end to ease pain and suffering. I'd do it for my pet, and I would do it for a loved one if and when the time came...I would hope that someone would do it for me if I too was unable.
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#41181 - 06/16/06 12:06 PM
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MrSoul
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Dan, there was nothing 'wrong' with Katie, except as far as her mother was concerned. Other people were willing to care for her.
SteveGIMP, great post.
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#41182 - 06/16/06 01:30 PM
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ParaDude
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Well if there was nothing wrong then I am sure this mother will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What more do you want?
Unfortunately our systems are built around the idea that the accused can get bail if they are deemed worthy and with relative assurance that they will not go out and re-offend. Obviously this is the case in this instance.
Wait to see what she gets for a sentence if she is convicted. Then, if you are not pleased with the result you can bitch away...hell, if it's too lenient, I might bitch along with you.
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#41185 - 06/16/06 02:41 PM
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In order to realistically conclude that there is jury/judicial bias in convicting/sentencing a parent for murdering a child with a disability vs a parent for murdering a child without a disability IN THE USA, you need review cases TIRED IN THE USA - preferably reviewing all child murder cases - in the past several years (I would suggest the past 20 years).
Bias is proven stastically, not by citing a few sensational news clippings. I am not saying the bias is there or not, just that the only thing people have given here is opinions.
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#41186 - 06/16/06 02:56 PM
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Yup...two completely different situations in two different countries.
Are you both saying that there is NEVER a case to be made for a "mercy killing"? That we as a society should NEVER consider it as a option when people are suffering?
What is suffering and when does it mean it is OK to engage in "compassionate homicide"? Is suffering when you as a parent can't imagine that your child will have a life worth living?
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#41188 - 06/16/06 03:08 PM
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ParaDude
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The topic has swung in many different directions Mr.Soul. It wasn't me who brought up the mercy killing in Canada, I am merely going with the flow here.
I don't have a clue really what all the hullaballoo is about in the first place. Many accused murderers get out on bail, not just those accused of killing a person with a disability.
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#41189 - 06/16/06 03:09 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
The topic has swung in many different directions Mr.Soul. It wasn't me who brought up the mercy killing in Canada, I am merely going with the flow here.
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#41190 - 06/16/06 03:11 PM
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ParaDude
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It wasn't I suppose, all tho some people think it was. The father was convicted and sentenced to prison. Seems to me that society did the right thing. What more do you want?
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#41191 - 06/16/06 06:08 PM
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ParaDude
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Sheesh...believe it or not there were also a lot of people who were outside the courtroom claiming OJ was Not Guilty. The were very vocal as well. Do we now claim SOCIETY as a whole are against Blonde women and their boyfriends?
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#41192 - 06/16/06 11:55 PM
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cass
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oh c'mon pd. that last post was ludicrous.
i will remind you, next time it comes up, that cc speaks for all those with sci *evil grin*.
yes, merry, andrea yates was mentally unstable. i agree. i believe this mom is too, yet until the grandfather fought back, public sympathy (due to the media) was toward the mom. now they have a face to this child and it becomes a little harder to have sympathy, doesn't it?
now, had she been black, deformed and drooling....well, you get my drift. no racial or otherwise slur intended. what then? bet the media would have published her pic in a heartbeat.
i'm in so much pain today i couldn't move. one day, somebody might decide to "mercy" kill me. i wouldn't much appreciate that.
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#41193 - 06/17/06 12:43 AM
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ParaDude
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What was "ludicrous" about my last statement. You all are trying to make society look like it (as a whole) doesn't give a rats ass about a Mother killing her disabled child. All because "some" people think the child was better off dead. The fact is that those "some" are not a true representation of society. Do you think the only people who are against this Mother are people like you?
Someone brought up the Tracy Latimer case. Why? Society and the justice system decided that the Father was guilty of homocide, he got sentenced to life in prison. Just because the judge called it a "compassionate homocide", that didn't make his sentence any less than a violent and vicious homocide. In the Dad's mind he was being "compassionate", he didn't kill his child for monetary gain, or revenge, or because he was a homocidal maniac, he took his child's life because in his own mind he thought he was doing the right thing. Most people, the courts included, decided he was wrong, but his motivation, whether you like to believe it or not was one of "compassion".
He still got life in prison, SOCIETY deemed him worthy of punishment and he sits in jail as we speak. What more do you want for society and/or the justice system?
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#41194 - 06/17/06 01:01 AM
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cass
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i want "society" to quit thinking either dis are better off dead or all want to be cured.
what do you want? i know the answer. but society is not going down that path, are they?
your analogy was ludicrous. is what i meant. in other words, drawing an analogy to oj and this mom makes no sense.
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#41195 - 06/17/06 02:15 AM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by cass:
i want "society" to quit thinking either dis are better off dead or all want to be cured.
what do you want? i know the answer. but society is not going down that path, are they?
your analogy was ludicrous. is what i meant. in other words, drawing an analogy to oj and this mom makes no sense.
My analogy works very well. We have people, many of the disabled variety, ALREADY complaining about this Mother and the way society looks at her, like she did the world a favor by killing this girl. That's a crock but heh...
How silly would it have looked if Blonde's united and claimed that society wants all natural blondes dead simply because OJ was aquitted? Pretty funny thought eh? Sadly, that is exactly what people like yourself will say if this Mother is given anything less than life in prison. It would be funny as well, if it weren't so LUDICROUS.
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It's like dragging abortion into the discussion. It has nothing to do with the issue. This was not a mercy killing, and no one has said that it is. 
