#41140 - 06/15/06 01:13 AM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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cass
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yes, i saw this on the listserv today. been following this story.
apparently, there are those who sympathize with the mom for suffocating her "severely" dis daughter.  to the point she is outta jail on 100k bond tho she is considered by some to be a "flight risk" due to her relatives overseas.
where is our popular media??
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#41142 - 06/15/06 10:28 AM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by cass: yes, i saw this on the listserv today. been following this story.
apparently, there are those who sympathize with the mom for suffocating her "severely" dis daughter. to the point she is outta jail on 100k bond tho she is considered by some to be a "flight risk" due to her relatives overseas.
where is our popular media??
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#41143 - 06/15/06 01:24 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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ParaDude
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The woman is awaiting trial. What more do you people want? There are far more dangerous people out on bail waiting for their trial as well, people with long records, people with a history for violence.
Give the justice system a chance to work before complaining that it doesn't.
Are we not supposed to wait for all the evidence before aquitting or convicting people?
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#41144 - 06/15/06 01:36 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
Are we not supposed to wait for all the evidence before aquitting or convicting people?  She isn't denying anything. She admits she did it.
Originally posted by ParaDude:
Give the justice system a chance to work before complaining that it doesn't.
Want to place bets on the sentence, PD? I say: no jail time, only probation.
I'll be pleasantly surprised (and stunned) if I am wrong.
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#41146 - 06/15/06 02:57 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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KAR
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
PD - what you may not know is the following....
Katie's mom was upset Katie would not take a nap, and decided to take her in the car and smother her to death. She did this knowing her family wouldn't think anything of it as driving was a way to calm her down to sleep. She brought her home dead/ said she was asleep and put her to bed.
She told no one what she did. 911 was contacted in the morning when Katie was discovered dead. After several hours she admited that she had done it.
So this is a premeditated murder that she had no plans to own up to.
Why is this woman not in custody?
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#41148 - 06/15/06 03:32 PM
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cass
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She also has another child.
PD, you are so bent on posting against certain ppl you aren't even listening to your own heart methinks. Were you not outraged when that mother drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub? Did you think she deserved a bail that could actually be posted?
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#41149 - 06/15/06 03:37 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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That mother deserves to spend her life in prison. My best friend from childhoods son Jay has one of the most severe forms of autism. He was a child who resisted being held, needed to be closely supervised due to hurting himself, couldn't or wouldn't talk until a teen and only now somewhat understandable. He attended elementary school though was in special-ed class. He was "home schooled" due to problems during puberty. He was again enrolled in special-ed for high school but mainstreamed for two classes and lunch. Starting w/ his diagnosis he got extra tutoring, speech therapy, patterning etc for whatever his parents could find to help him live in society.
He was the "water-boy" for his high school football team. He was estatic at winning an award from the seniors graduating last year for his good work and help. He will remember his pride as I will w/ that reward forever. Remember, the football players chose on their own to honor him. Those young students in his high school see he has talent and value.
Jays parents decided to place him in a trade school this year. Those he started school w/ were all growing up and going off to college. He likes that he too is moving on. He still has only elementary knowledge in math but is reading more then many kids I know. I always wondered if this is due to his mom constantly reading to him when unable to hold and kiss him. They hope he will later find employment in the restaurant field. He seems to enjoy cooking though my girlfriend thinks that may be due to her giving him chores around the kitchen where she could supervise. He has tested showing an interest in woodwork. They are also encouraging this. Who knows? He may end up as a great chef, a wood crafting artist or a dishwasher.
His parents were devastated when he was diagnosed. It has not been easy. They had hoped early on they could find one remarkable trait similar to some w/ autism who are musical or appear gifted in some way. By the time he successfully reentered the local high school they were happy he looked foreward to attending every morning. Jay is very loved by his parents and others. He is not their only special needs child. Their lives have not been what they 1st dreamed but whos is?
Possibly, parents should be "tested" on their ability to be selfless. It seems to me little Katie McCarron's mother committed the most horrible selfish act. dash
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#41150 - 06/15/06 03:45 PM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by cass:
She also has another child.
PD, you are so bent on posting against certain ppl you aren't even listening to your own heart methinks. Were you not outraged when that mother drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub? Did you think she deserved a bail that could actually be posted?
When compared with the above, my "outrage" is minimal when a mother gets out on bail while she awaits trail for a crime she has never committed before and let's face it, she won't be doing again.
I'll wait for the trail to hear the evidence, and if the evidence warrants her being sent to prison for life then I will support that as well. I won't rely on media or Xuxan's halfwitted attempts to portray this woman as evil.
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#41151 - 06/15/06 04:14 PM
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You are so busy fulminating at Susan, that you didn't reply to ME, Dan. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by MrSoul:
Want to place bets on the sentence, PD? I say: no jail time, only probation.
I'll be pleasantly surprised (and stunned) if I am wrong.
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#41152 - 06/15/06 04:18 PM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by MrSoul: You are so busy fulminating at Susan, that you didn't reply to ME, Dan. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by MrSoul:
Want to place bets on the sentence, PD? I say: no jail time, only probation.
I'll be pleasantly surprised (and stunned) if I am wrong.
I can say this, there have been cases of mothers killing their children (AB children) who have gotten nothing worse than a 6 month stint in a mental institution.
Right? Wrong? Don't know. What I do know is that mother's have been known to do this sort of thing throughout the course of history, and not always to a "disabled" child.
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#41153 - 06/15/06 04:20 PM
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cass
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pd, she admitted doing it. AND she does have another child. i believe she also works as a pathologist...i'd have to check that.
was andrea yates ever out on bail? using your logic she certainly wouldn't have done it again either.
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#41154 - 06/15/06 04:23 PM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by cass:
pd, she admitted doing it. AND she does have another child. i believe she also works as a pathologist...i'd have to check that.
was andrea yates ever out on bail? using your she certainly wouldn't have done it again either.
I don't care if she admitted it or not. The fact remains that the justice system felt she was not a danger to society and could be out on a substantial amount of bail. Now, if you have any evidence that suggests she will be going out on a killing spree murdering other people's autistic children while out on bail I would consider that a mitigating reason to agree she should still be in jail.
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#41155 - 06/15/06 04:36 PM
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ParaDude
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Actually it is almost only the Peoria Journal Star that has covered it so far and they are completely on the side of the mother. As are btw the Autism Society, the Arc, and many other parent-run disability organizations.
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#41156 - 06/15/06 04:46 PM
Re: Remembering Katie McCarron
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ParaDude
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Oh...and from the Not Dead Yet society on their home page.
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Photos of Katie McCarron
Taken by the people who loved her. VIEW PHOTOS. | Read Mothers Who Kill (WIMN's Voices blog) They do not wish for the photos to be used in any way suggesting Katie's death is associated with a "problem" arising from a lack of services, or a symptom of "desperation" felt by other families. Using Katie's picture in these ways would only be an insult to her memory and cause more pain to an already grieving family.
With the exception of the print edition of the Chicago Tribune (online story with no photos here) , no pictures of Katie McCarron have appeared in the coverage of her alleged murder by her mother.
You want to make wagers Mr.Soul. Let's wager to see if there are any NDY type peoples outside the courthouse holding up placards with this girls picture on it.
What would be an interesting thing to know is how the family of this little girl feel about an organization like "NOT DEAD YET" USING Katie as a political pawn to help promote THEIR vision.
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