#41107 - 06/08/06 10:16 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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misanthropology
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Oh no. TJ is the victim again. What a surprise. Does anyone have a violin handy?
Ain't it funny how TJ pokes and prods a fight out of people so he can turn around and cry foul?
I don't get it. Must be a retard thing.
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#41109 - 06/08/06 10:34 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by misanthropology:
I don't get it. Must be a retard thing. 
Well, Miss Anthropology, you either believe some things really are unethical (such as divulging confidences), or you don't. If you think divulging private info on a board, after promising to keep it private, is no big deal (or is okay if you are pissed off enough), you are certainly entitled to that opinion. However, I'm willing to bet most people here don't particularly approve of that kinda thing. And further: they may have reason to worry that the same thing will happen to them.
I think a heads-up to them is in order. I would be remiss if I didn't.
Dallas by 6
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#41110 - 06/08/06 10:35 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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misanthropology
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
When a person is abused as a child it is rare that that the repercussions of that abuse end in childhood. You can't just "walk" away from the feelings of worthlessness that have been ingrained into you as you grow. You can't just walk away from the the physical changes your body has gone thru from being abused. TJ is a survivor and th e fact he is able to deal with NM at all speaks very well for his ability to move past what eh experienced as a child.
Upper level quads who haven't rolled themselves off a cliff are the tough ones. Not some gender confused p*ssy like TJ.
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#41111 - 06/08/06 10:37 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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misanthropology
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by misanthropology:
I don't get it. Must be a retard thing.
Well, Miss Anthropology, you either believe some things really are unethical (such as divulging confidences), or you don't. If you think divulging private info on a board, after promising to keep it private, is no big deal (or is okay if you are pissed off enough), you are certainly entitled to that opinion. However, I'm willing to bet most people here don't particularly approve of that kinda thing. And further: they may have reason to worry that the same thing will happen to them.
I think a heads-up to them is in order. I would be remiss if I didn't.
Dallas by 6
Read closely::::::::::::::
PLAY WITH FIRE = GET BURNED
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#41113 - 06/08/06 10:48 PM
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MrSoul
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I guess you ARE Merry.  Originally posted by misanthropology:
You run around the playground calling people names then run to tell teacher when someone kicks your butt. 
More gibberish.
Originally posted by misanthropology:
Read closely::::::::::::::
Originally posted by misanthropology:
PLAY WITH FIRE = GET BURNED 
If you call Merry revealing herself as someone who can't be trusted with private info, "kicking butt"--well, I guess we have different value systems.  Obviously, you are far more macho than I am, Miss... I mean, you just called me queer in your last post.
Mavericks by 7
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#41114 - 06/08/06 10:57 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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misanthropology
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Originally posted by MrSoul: I guess you ARE Merry. Originally posted by misanthropology:
You run around the playground calling people names then run to tell teacher when someone kicks your butt.
More gibberish.
Originally posted by misanthropology:
Read closely::::::::::::::
Originally posted by misanthropology:
PLAY WITH FIRE = GET BURNED
If you call Merry revealing herself as someone who can't be trusted with private info, "kicking butt"--well, I guess we have different value systems. Obviously, you are far more macho than I am, Miss... I mean, you just called me queer in your last post.
Mavericks by 7
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#41115 - 06/08/06 11:10 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by misanthropology:
Freak.
I always like Phineas Freak the best, but most people seemed to prefer Freddie Freak.
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#41116 - 06/09/06 09:17 AM
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ParaDude
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by misanthropology:
I don't get it. Must be a retard thing.
Well, Miss Anthropology, you either believe some things really are unethical (such as divulging confidences), or you don't. If you think divulging private info on a board, after promising to keep it private, is no big deal (or is okay if you are pissed off enough), you are certainly entitled to that opinion. However, I'm willing to bet most people here don't particularly approve of that kinda thing. And further: they may have reason to worry that the same thing will happen to them.
I think a heads-up to them is in order. I would be remiss if I didn't.
Dallas by 6
btw TJ, I don't need any "heads up", I am very much aware that once a person starts typing something here or in a PM that the odds are it will no longer be private.
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#41119 - 06/09/06 11:58 AM
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john55555
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Felt compelled to pop in and say thanks for the "Furry Freak Brothers" Cover!!
Lots of memories from those daze! Indeed, some of the best of my life.
I'm a strong believer in karma to get on topic a bit. A little bitch named Olga (who was bangin' every guy in school but yours truely) told me in front of several other students, "I could find better than you in a junk heap." Wearing a brace at age 13..that made quite an impression.
But, if you hang in there long enough "what goes around does come around."
Last time I saw Olga was when I went through the drive tru of a Whataburger in Corpus Christi. I was in my 2nd 'Vette, with the top down, my gorgous red headed future wife with me (36th anniversary right around the corner) and Olga was knocked up and fellin' down.
I hate to admit it, but I savored that moment.
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#41121 - 06/09/06 06:56 PM
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dowdy
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OK So first they philosophize away the death of children, then they philosophize that they don't think paraplegics or others would be better off dead. This from Britain......
Sarah Boseley , health editor
Thursday June 8, 2006
The Guardian
One of the country's leading experts on medical ethics today calls for doctors to be able to end the lives of some terminally ill patients "swiftly, humanely and without guilt" - even if they have not given consent.
Len Doyal, emeritus professor of medical ethics at Queen Mary, University of London, takes the euthanasia debate into new and highly contentious territory. He says doctors should recognise that they are already killing patients when they remove feeding tubes from those whose lives are judged to be no longer worth living. Some will suffer a "slow and distressing death" as a result.
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It would be better if their lives were ended without this unnecessary delay, Professor Doyal writes in an article in Clinical Ethics, published by the Royal Society of Medicine. He calls for the law and professional guidance to be changed.
Critics said yesterday that the views of Prof Doyal, a member of the British Medical Association medical ethics committee for nine years, were the "very worst form of medical paternalism".
Prof Doyal was a supporter of Lord Joffe's assisted dying bill that would have allowed terminally ill patients to request a cocktail of drugs to end their lives early. Opponents of the bill shelved it by voting for a postponement for further debate. But Prof Doyal is now taking the debate a stage further.
He argues that doctors are already effectively practicing euthanasia on patients who have no consciousness beyond the capacity to suffer pain and says this should extend to those patients who can no longer speak for themselves.
He says he is not the only medical professional to hold this view. In the article, Prof Doyal says withdrawing life-saving treatment from severely incompetent patients - which may involve turning off a ventilator, ending antibiotics or withdrawing a feeding tube - is "believed to be morally appropriate because it constitutes doing nothing. It is disease that does the dirty work, not the clinician. Yet this argument cannot wash away the foreseeable suffering of severely incompetent patients sometimes forced to die avoidably slow and distressing deaths."
He draws a parallel with a father who sees his baby drowning in the bath and fails to do anything to save it. The father foresaw the certainty of the death and did nothing and would therefore be morally considered to have killed the child.
"Clinicians who starve severely incompetent patients to death are not deemed by law to have killed them actively, even if they begin the process by the removal of feeding tubes. The legal fiction that such starvation is not active killing is no more than clumsy judicial camouflage of the euthanasia that is actually occurring."
His concern, he says, is not only with patients who are in a permanent vegetative state and therefore feel nothing at all. "The category of patients that concerns me most are the patients where we are not sure. There is still some brain function, but they will never have any brain awareness or cognitive function, but they seem to be suffering," he told the Guardian. This could, for instance, happen after an accident or a stroke. He does not believe that legalising non-voluntary euthanasia for such patients would lead to more or inappropriate deaths.
"We have a situation where these decisions are being made all the time and yet we have no coherent system of regulation for them. We really don't know what is going on out there, as they do in Holland where all this is legal or in Oregon where they have physician-assisted suicide.
"Where you have legalisation, you have the best data about what is going on because people are not afraid to report it," he added.
Peter Saunders, the campaign director of Care Not Killing, an alliance of healthcare professionals and others opposed to euthanasia and the Joffe bill, said Prof Doyal was confusing the withdrawal of treatment that was more of a burden than a benefit to a dying patient with actively ending life.
"Doyal is advocating the very worst form of medical paternalism whereby doctors can end the lives of patients after making a judgment that their lives are of no value and claim that they are simply acting in their patients' best interests," he said.
"The clear lesson from the Netherlands, where over 1,000 patients are killed by doctors every year without their consent and where babies with special needs are killed ... is that when voluntary euthanasia is legalised involuntary euthanasia inevitably follows."
The British Medical Association declined to comment on Prof Doyal's article. "We have a neutral position," said a spokeswoman. "We leave it to society to decide."
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