#41030 - 06/08/06 01:56 PM
Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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ParaDude
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I'll have to re-read this thread because I have yet to see anyone suggest it was ok to kill these non-severely-disabled kids.
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#41031 - 06/08/06 01:57 PM
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sodapop
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And born able-bodied, thus, in a class above me. He has been pretty clear in pointing that out, again and again, on this board. (You want the links for all of Rob's ridicule about my autism?)
*i would NOT mercy kill a tj or philip 'cause your cp is mild. you both are seemingly intelligent; in fact, you frodo, are much brighter than i'll ever be. how you're considered disabled is beyond me--unless whining and not being able to play well w/others is a handicap...?
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#41033 - 06/08/06 02:00 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
We are talking about today TJ, not 30-40 years ago. Today, you would not be considered as "severely disabled", at least you wouldn't be by any standards I am aware of.
Originally posted by ParaDude:
Things were different "back then", thankfully we have evolved since then.
You should try not to judge society today by the standards of yesterday. Today people like you, and even people like me, are looked at as being able to be productive citizens. You sound a lot like Dowdy, he too looks to the past and his experiences in the past and suggests there has been little change. I completely disagree.
Some things we know:
1) EXPERTS ARE NOT GODS--they can be wrong.
2) CP and autism are greatly influenced by environment.
3) Words like "severely" need to be STRICTLY DEFINED, not thrown around indiscriminately.
If things have changed, it is in large part because of gimps like us. People have been taken aback when they see MY LEFT FOOT and discover we aren't all retards, and in many cases are even smarter than the people who have arrogantly judged us.
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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#41034 - 06/08/06 02:05 PM
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MerryA
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And those that don't grow up and realize the past is past are doomed to live in the past. :rolleyes:
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#41035 - 06/08/06 02:06 PM
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ParaDude
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They have changed. Move on. Back in the early 1900s spinal cord injured people were left to die or euthanized, in the 60s we were placed in institutions because we were thought of as none functioning individuals with little to no ability to become productive citizens.
Times have changed, thanks in part to people like you, AND technology.
Get your head out of the past and join us all in the present because as things continue to evolve our future looks better and better each day.
You WERE a victim. Today you are not, quit thinking of yourself that way and perhaps the rest of the world will as well.
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#41036 - 06/08/06 02:07 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by sodapop:
*i would NOT mercy kill a tj or philip 'cause your cp is mild. you both are seemingly intelligent; in fact, you frodo, are much brighter than i'll ever be. how you're considered disabled is beyond me--unless whining and not being able to play well w/others is a handicap...?
I can go days without talking to people, if left alone. At a certain point, I will stop and CAN'T talk to people; I will regress unless I make a point to have at least one conversation a day (of some type, even empty chitchat about the weather). If living with another person who talks with me a lot, I do far better. If people start yelling at me, I regress and replying is just impossible. Etc.
I don't think either Dowdy or me would consider our CP "mild". We both had all kinds of surgical tinkering, and Dowdy has major pain issues. (In that regard, I am rapidly gaining on him.) Dowdy is now in a wheelchair full time, and I probably will be in 5 years or less.
And if we are "mild"--why were both of us institutionalized as kids? 
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#41037 - 06/08/06 02:09 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
And those that don't grow up and realize the past is past are doomed to live in the past. :rolleyes:
Later, Merry. Let me know if you ever learn to debate an issue without nastiness like "grow up" okay? 
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#41038 - 06/08/06 02:13 PM
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MerryA
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
I don't think either Dowdy or me would consider our CP "mild".
You function independently as an adult. You hold down a job. You have a college education. How can you possibly claim to be severely disabled? Nothing but a walking pity party. :rolleyes:
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#41039 - 06/08/06 02:13 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
You WERE a victim. Today you are not, quit thinking of yourself that way and perhaps the rest of the world will as well.
Sorry, I am a WITNESS and will remain so. 
One doesn't stop experiencing the psychological fallout of child abuse simply because you grow up. It is a lifelong task. One thing that helps me is to try to prevent it from happening to other disabled children, and arguing for their lives is one way I can try to do that.
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#41040 - 06/08/06 02:17 PM
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MerryA
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
disabled children
"children with disabilities"
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#41041 - 06/08/06 02:17 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA: Originally posted by MrSoul:
I don't think either Dowdy or me would consider our CP "mild".
You function independently as an adult. You hold down a job. You have a college education. How can you possibly claim to be severely disabled? Nothing but a walking pity party. :rolleyes: Originally posted by MrSoul: I wondered when the personal attacks would start. I have to compliment you, though, you went SEVERAL POSTS this time... you are improving. C+
Later, Merry. Let me know if you ever learn to debate an issue without nastiness like "grow up" okay?
Back to the old Merry... why argue the actual points under discussion, when you can start insulting people personally and have some real fun, huh? :p
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#41042 - 06/08/06 02:20 PM
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KAR
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by ParaDude:
You WERE a victim. Today you are not, quit thinking of yourself that way and perhaps the rest of the world will as well.
Sorry, I am a WITNESS and will remain so.
One doesn't stop experiencing the psychological fallout of child abuse simply because you grow up. It is a lifelong task. One thing that helps me is to try to prevent it from happening to other disabled children, and arguing for their lives is one way I can try to do that.
You, and this is not an attack, are a fertle field indeed, for her to sow her seeds.
That, in a nutshell, is my problem with Xuxan, she plays to people's fears,real,and imagined.
Good luck to you, and I mean that sincerely.
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#41043 - 06/08/06 02:26 PM
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MerryA
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
Let me know if you ever learn to debate an issue without nastiness like "grow up" okay?
It is admirable that you want to advocate for children with disabilities - just don't expect me to admire your whinning about unresolved issues from your childhood. The issues are/were real - your lack of dealing with them or finding appropriate assistance to deal with them is getting old.
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#41045 - 06/08/06 02:31 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by KAR:
I can see now why Xuxan appeals to you so much, she plays into your fears, and anxieties.
You, and this is not an attack, are a fertle field indeed, for her to sow her seeds.
Do you think Susan has made up all the stuff she has posted in this thread? You have not responded to any of it. Do you care about the kids who have been killed by their parents, at all? They are real people. They aren't just a product of someone's "fears".
Originally posted by KAR:
Good luck to you, and I mean that sincerely.
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