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#41015 - 06/08/06 12:22 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
KAR
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
ALL of this is in response to society devaluing people with disabilities - not a government plot or simply a way for hospitals to save expenses.

I'd say more- but I am off to the airport to pick up a weekend guest.
Well, I won't be polishing up on my apology skills, won't need 'em.

Have a safe flight.
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#41016 - 06/08/06 01:05 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Loc: Tennessee 		TJ - FYI - you are not severely disabled - disabled yes, but not "severely"

I understand what Rob is saying - I don't necessarily agree wtih it - but if Rob had a child born with severe disabilities I feel confident he would love and care for his child and the severe disability would not affect his unconditional love. :p
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#41017 - 06/08/06 01:10 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
Rob, this is why I am afraid of atheists like you... you don't believe we have souls (which would give us rights and respect for that simple reason), so the only thing left for you to judge us on, is our supposed "quality of life" or lack thereof.



Rob, you disgust me. People like you are the problem, not the solution.
umm, what does atheism have to do with the issue?
I just stated what it has to do with the issue. If one does not believe we have souls and is not ALSO committed to the concept that we have equal rights before the law (and Rob doesn't think so, obviously, since he applauds these mothers who kill their disabled children), then there is nothing else to appeal to in saving our lives.

Philosophically:

1) It's wrong because God says so, or

2) It's wrong because it is a violation of human rights.

If you don't believe #1 and ALSO don't believe we deserve #2, we are shit out of luck, huh? (I think you would subscribe to #2, am I correct?)

I was very careful to say "atheists like you"--meaning Rob, and not *every* atheist. In fact, I was comparing Rob to Susan, another atheist, who clearly subscribes to #2.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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#41018 - 06/08/06 01:16 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Loc: Tennessee 		TJ - you draw conclusions and many of your conclusions are in error - you do tend to take things out of context and run with them. And running with the sissors you used to cut something out of context is dangerous. :p
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#41019 - 06/08/06 01:20 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
TJ - FYI - you are not severely disabled - disabled yes, but not "severely"
Merry, as a child, I didn't speak for 2 years. I was called retarded. Only my "crazy" grandmother steadfastly believed I was smarter than everyone else. (She would say "I just know he is" when asked why. ) This is one reason everyone thought she was crazy.

I also know, from this experience, that you can make such children FAR WORSE. I got "better" and then "worse"--my whole life, depending on circumstances. In the stories Susan reprinted, I see the same kind of telltale fluctuations, and I wonder about the possible reasons for them. This usually means an autistic child is being unduly pressured (or abused).

I sat in the corner and rocked one year, then made straight A's the next. Sounds weird, until I describe to you the men my mother was married to, at the time. :rolleyes:

Autism and CP are static, and much depends on the economic class, environment, attitudes, opportunities, etc a kid is born into. To simply state categorically that some kid is "severely" disabled (according to whom?) just doesn't cut it with me. And of course, nobody bothers to investigate once they hear the terms AUTISM and CEREBRAL PALSY.

That's all they need to hear.
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#41020 - 06/08/06 01:24 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Loc: Tennessee 		But you are not and never have been severely disabled. :p
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#41021 - 06/08/06 01:25 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
TJ - you draw conclusions and many of your conclusions are in error - you do tend to take things out of context and run with them. And running with the sissors you used to cut something out of context is dangerous. :p
If I am in error, go ahead and tell me in what way I am in error.

Clever put-downs and smilie faces :p are not necessary to make your points.
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#41022 - 06/08/06 01:26 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Loc: Tennessee 		YOu are in error to conclude that Rob was talking about you when he said "severely disabled" because you are not now nor have you ever been severely disabled. That is your error.
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#41023 - 06/08/06 01:27 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
But you are not and never have been severely disabled. :p
Did you read what I said?

I WAS classified that way as a kid. If it wasn't an ACCURATE diagnosis, then they were wrong, huh?

Perhaps they were wrong about the kids they suffocated, too?

Does that matter to anyone?
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#41024 - 06/08/06 01:29 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
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Originally posted by MerryA:
But you are not and never have been severely disabled. :p
Did you read what I said?

I WAS classified that way as a kid. If it wasn't an ACCURATE diagnosis, then they were wrong, huh?

Perhaps they were wrong about the kids they suffocated, too?

Does that matter to anyone?
I read that you said you were diagnosed with mental retardation, autism, CP and probably more - but I did not see you write that you were diagnosed as severely disabled - you are not now nor have you ever been severely disabled.
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#41025 - 06/08/06 01:30 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
YOu are in error to conclude that Rob was talking about you when he said "severely disabled" because you are not now nor have you ever been severely disabled. That is your error.
And I am asking: what is his definition? He is using the terms used about the kids in the story, since he says he "applauds" their mothers.

And who decided they were severely disabled? Was it just some experts' word for it?

Okay, then so am I, since the experts said the same about me.
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#41026 - 06/08/06 01:33 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
I read that you said you were diagnosed with mental retardation, autism, CP and probably more - but I did not see you write that you were diagnosed as severely disabled - you are not now nor have you ever been severely disabled.
Merry, we are the same age... the term "severely disabled" did not come into popular usage until the 70s, and I was born in 1956.

They simply said, "put him in an institution", told my mother I would never amount to anything, etc. The usual.

Why are you so fixated on the word "severely"? Since you like it so much, how about you precisely define it?

Better yet, let Rob, since he is the one who used it.
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#41027 - 06/08/06 01:39 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MerryA
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
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Originally posted by MerryA:
YOu are in error to conclude that Rob was talking about you when he said "severely disabled" because you are not now nor have you ever been severely disabled. That is your error.
And I am asking: what is his definition? He is using the terms used about the kids in the story, since he says he "applauds" their mothers.

And who decided they were severely disabled? Was it just some experts' word for it?

Okay, then so am I, since the experts said the same about me.
The person who wrote the article probably decided they were "severely disabled" because he/she doesn't have clue what "severely disabled" is - just like you. :p
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#41028 - 06/08/06 01:40 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Loc: United Provinces of America 		We are talking about today TJ, not 30-40 years ago. Today, you would not be considered as "severely disabled", at least you wouldn't be by any standards I am aware of.

Things were different "back then", thankfully we have evolved since then.

You should try not to judge society today by the standards of yesterday. Today people like you, and even people like me, are looked at as being able to be productive citizens. You sound a lot like Dowdy, he too looks to the past and his experiences in the past and suggests there has been little change. I completely disagree.
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#41029 - 06/08/06 01:52 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
MrSoul
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Originally posted by MerryA:
The person who wrote the article probably decided they were "severely disabled" because he/she doesn't have clue what "severely disabled" is - just like you. :p
So you are admitting the kids weren't severely disabled? And it's still okay with you, that they were killed by their parents?????

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