#40994 - 06/07/06 10:22 AM
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KAR
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Originally posted by ParaDude: Originally posted by StarlightAngel: Originally posted by ParaDude:
Sorry but that [postpartum depression] is a crock of shit. Many women don't get treated, they just get over it.
I suppose since alcoholism is a "desease" we should be able to use that as an "excuse" as well?
Too many excuses these days.
It's the truth Star. We have too many diagnosis' that allow a person to blame that "condition" rather than their actions. We have the extra Y chromosome BS that supposedly makes a male pre-disposed to violence, depression (boohoo get over it), funny how nations with the most in terms of food, shelter, clothing, etc etc, are nations with the most depressed people. Sheeesh, there a folks in third world countries who are happier than we are and they go to bed hungry at night. I think its the old, "too much time on our hands to think" syndrome. If ya had to work a 12 hour day, and 6 more when ya got home, you wouldn't have time to be depressed.
ADD, ADHD, postpartum, prepartum, alcoholism, drug addiction, blah blah blah...too many excuses, not enough accountability.
Good post.
Kevin
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#40995 - 06/07/06 10:26 AM
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ParaDude
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LOL KAR...yeah I forgot all about the obesity thing. What a cycle that is, "I'm depressed cuz I am fat, so I self medicate myself with food, I get fatter and therefore more depressed...so I eat...damn, I think I'll go out and kill a few skinny babies...but don't blame me, I'm just depressed"
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#40997 - 06/07/06 05:22 PM
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MrSoul
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Dan, what is the difference between you and me smoking a doobie to feel better, and people taking antidepressants (or whatever)?
I think the word "self-medicating" is accurate. (At this point, I consider myself more knowledgable about what I need than doctors are.)
I can't rank Michele any more for her Lexapro, if I am getting high regularly... except that I admit what I am doing and she doesn't/didn't.
Now, you don't seem to be admitting it, either. :p
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#40999 - 06/07/06 07:25 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by ParaDude: Well TJ, legit question I guess. The difference as I see it is that I never smoked weed because I was "depressed", I smoked it to heighten my already sweet disposition. 
Well, I admit I do it for pain/spasticity relief and to lighten up my umm, rather uptight disposition. :p
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#41001 - 06/07/06 07:59 PM
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ParaDude
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Show me where the kids were to blame? The blame seems to be going to her situation which most people agree was overwhelming. It's going towards a system that appears to have let her down. I'm not just talking about the social system, I am talking about her friends and family. They all seem to have been aware of her stress and anxiety. I wonder how many of them stepped up and gave her a hand?
The woman is in jail, without bail. What more do you want?
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#41003 - 06/08/06 06:23 AM
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Xuxan said:
And yet that is what is being pointed to as the cause of what she did.
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#41004 - 06/08/06 07:52 AM
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i would kill and/or abort a kid/fetus if i knew s/he/it were gonna be severely disabled. i'd also probably never forgive my parents had they allowed me to be born or live knowing i'd have to deal w/such a shitty hand. i applaud these moms! i do have a problem w/this woman waiting fourteen years though.
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#41005 - 06/08/06 10:07 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by sodapop:
i would kill and/or abort a kid/fetus if i knew s/he/it were gonna be severely disabled. i'd also probably never forgive my parents had they allowed me to be born or live knowing i'd have to deal w/such a shitty hand. i applaud these moms! i do have a problem w/this woman waiting fourteen years though.
So, Rob proves Susan's point. See? He thinks we shouldn't be here. Just like the nazis, he'd march us all into the showers with the other inferiors.
Rob, this is why I am afraid of atheists like you... you don't believe we have souls (which would give us rights and respect for that simple reason), so the only thing left for you to judge us on, is our supposed "quality of life" or lack thereof.
And of course, we are inferior, so you'd just get rid of us (or heartily applaud those who do). We don't pass inspection since we weren't born as "good" as you are, right?
Dan, I hope you will study Rob's post, next time you say Susan is making shit up... he states it flat-out: Kill us off. According to Rob, instead of merely beating me and locking me in the basement for a day or two, my stepfather should have just finished me off. I mean, it was fairly early on... nobody (except my mother, thank God) would care if some 6 yr old autistic/CP kid ended up dead in the basement from starvation and dehydration. He wouldn't eat, after all. Just kill him, don't try to feed him!
Rob, you disgust me. People like you are the problem, not the solution. 
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#41006 - 06/08/06 10:15 AM
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KAR
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by sodapop:
i would kill and/or abort a kid/fetus if i knew s/he/it were gonna be severely disabled. i'd also probably never forgive my parents had they allowed me to be born or live knowing i'd have to deal w/such a shitty hand. i applaud these moms! i do have a problem w/this woman waiting fourteen years though.
So, Rob proves Susan's point. See? He thinks we shouldn't be here. Just like the nazis, he'd march us all into the showers with the other inferiors.
Rob, this is why I am afraid of atheists like you... you don't believe we have souls (which would give us rights and respect for that simple reason), so the only thing left for you to judge us on, is our supposed "quality of life" or lack thereof.
And of course, we are inferior, so you'd just get rid of us (or heartily applaud those who do). We don't pass inspection since we weren't born as "good" as you are, right?
Dan, I hope you will study Rob's post, next time you say Susan is making shit up... he states it flat-out: Kill us off. According to Rob, instead of merely beating me and locking me in the basement for a day or two, my stepfather should have just finished me off. I mean, it was fairly early on... nobody (except my mother, thank God) would care if some 6 yr old autistic/CP kid ended up dead in the basement from starvation and dehydration. He wouldn't eat, after all. Just kill him, don't try to feed him!
Rob, you disgust me. People like you are the problem, not the solution.
Xuxan's point is/was and will continue to be that the government, or at least republicans, hospitals and physicians are the masterminds of the "final solution" regarding the disabled.
Rob's staement should be taken for what it is, the statement fo one disabled individual, hardly a policy pronouncement,
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#41007 - 06/08/06 11:02 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by KAR:
Mr.Soul, Rob is disabled.
Originally posted by KAR:
Xuxan's point is/was and will continue to be that the government, or at least republicans, hospitals and physicians are the masterminds of the "final solution" regarding the disabled.
She believes, as I do, that there is a pervasive ideology in this culture, that says certain children are inferior and not worthy of life. This ideology does not think killing autistic children or children with CP (and I have both) is a bad thing. Rob just echoed that sentiment and APPLAUDED it. (When was Rob a child with autism or CP?)
Originally posted by KAR:
Rob's staement should be taken for what it is, the statement fo one disabled individual, hardly a policy pronouncement,
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#41008 - 06/08/06 11:05 AM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
This ideology does not think killing autistic children or children with CP (and I have both) is a bad thing. Rob just echoed that sentiment and APPLAUDED it.
Rob would applaud him... he just said so.
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#41010 - 06/08/06 11:32 AM
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MrSoul
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What gets me, Susan, is the assumption that the kids killed are automatically inferior to the vicious individuals who killed them.
For 4 years, I had to listen to people tell my stepfather what a WONDERFUL MAN he was, for "taking me on"--when in fact, what he was doing was regularly beating the shit out of me.
And Rob is still applauding!
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#41012 - 06/08/06 11:43 AM
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KAR
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
Originally posted by KAR:
Xuxan's point is/was and will continue to be that the government, or at least republicans, hospitals and physicians are the masterminds of the "final solution" regarding the disabled.
I did not say this. This is not a democratic or republican issue - it pervades every segment of society. It is not a physcians/ hospitals issues as parents/siblings/children do these "heroic" deeds without any help from anyone.
A final solution is not so far off if you listen to Peter Singer, head of ethics at Princeton University. If the birth of your disabled child does not make you happy - and it is not yet 29 days old - then euthanize it. He used to say that the state should intervene and do it if the parents didn't choose to, but he has mellowed a bit and now agrees that SOME disabled children are valued by their parents and those children should not be euthanized without parental consent. (Gee thanks!!!) Now if you think this is irrelevant to us as citizens - he is also one of the Ethics advisors to the president.
You, at least it seems to me, believe that there is a movement which manefests itself in legislation aimed at making "End of Life" more compassionate...you deem these to be aimed at disabled people only,with the express purpose of allowing physicians "murder" the disabled...do you not?
Do you, or don't you, believe that there is an effort underway, by government & hospitals, to devalue the lives of those with disabilities, so that "thinning the herd" could be achieved.
Please let me know if I have mis-characterized your positions, if I have, you will have my sincere apologies.
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#41014 - 06/08/06 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Rob, this is why I am afraid of atheists like you... you don't believe we have souls (which would give us rights and respect for that simple reason), so the only thing left for you to judge us on, is our supposed "quality of life" or lack thereof.
Rob, you disgust me. People like you are the problem, not the solution.
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