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#40971 - 06/03/06 06:55 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
"tired, worn out and at her wit’s end" Do we use this as an excuse to murder anyone but people with disabilities?

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Garza told Weed she was having “a lot of personal problems with her boyfriend.’’ She also told Weed she worried about her twin daughters, who will start school in the fall.

Garza said nothing to alarm Weed. But neighbors have been concerned for years because of her erratic behavior and bouts of heavy drinking.
They realized the house at 6949 W Sedate Court was trouble, but they tried to mind their own business.

Garza was arrested in 2002, accused of hitting Layton. The arrest report said she was extremely intoxicated.

Garza got probation.

Despite the many conflicts and Garza’s frequent drinking, neighbors said they couldn’t imagine her hurting her kids.

“She was crazy about them,’’ said neighbor Katie Wells, 15, who sometimes baby sitting for Garza. “She loved on them the same way you’d love on a regular kid.’’

The boys always seemed well taken-care of, Katie added. They liked to look out the window and would sometimes crawl to the door and answer it.

Krystal played music for them, and they hummed along.

“It doesn’t excuse it, but I think she must have been overwhelmed,’’ said Katie’s mom, Betty Henley. “Somebody should have seen something was going on, that the woman was tired, worn out and at her wit’s end.’’
twin disabled kids AND twin 5-year-olds? good grief, no wonder she drank. my only question was, why didn't this woman have any home assistance, with all those kids???
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#40974 - 06/05/06 10:38 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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No services is no reason to murder your child/children.
i didn't excuse her actions. i'm just saying i can see why she flipped.
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#40975 - 06/05/06 11:03 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
No services is no reason to murder your child/children.
i didn't excuse her actions. i'm just saying i can see why she flipped.
For every post about some parent snapping and killing his/her own disabled child I can find you at least 10 more where the parent has killed his own perfectly healthy child.

This is a sad story, but not a story to be used to promote fear amongst the disabled community. It's not like it is an epidemic.

Abuse to our children is however reaching epidemic proportions, but that subject is for another thread entirely.
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#40976 - 06/05/06 11:34 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
harley-lynn
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Loc: Cleveland, OHIO 		Nuts...Why didn't anyone start helping her out when got she stressed out?...People knew her past problems...It's always when something like this happens that people bring up the past and why didn't they do anything way back when and head this off?...
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#40977 - 06/05/06 10:57 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Loc: Desolation Row 		I initially wrote a long post, but edited it down to:

Of course it's okay to abuse, beat, neglect, abandon and kill disabled children. It always has been--it just makes the news more these days. (In some cultures, infanticide of "freak" children was totally acceptable.)

Why is anyone surprised?
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#40978 - 06/05/06 11:28 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
I initially wrote a long post, but edited it down to:

Of course it's okay to abuse, beat, neglect, abandon and kill disabled children. It always has been--it just makes the news more these days. (In some cultures, infanticide of "freak" children was totally acceptable.)

Why is anyone surprised?
Boo Hoo. Disabled children aren't the only ones being "abused", "beat", "neglected", "abandoned", and "killed".
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#40979 - 06/05/06 11:40 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
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Originally posted by MrSoul:
I initially wrote a long post, but edited it down to:

Of course it's okay to abuse, beat, neglect, abandon and kill disabled children. It always has been--it just makes the news more these days. (In some cultures, infanticide of "freak" children was totally acceptable.)

Why is anyone surprised?
Boo Hoo. Disabled children aren't the only ones being "abused", "beat", "neglected", "abandoned", and "killed".
When did I say they were the "only ones"?

Sent you a PM, too.

Edited to add: Since all of those things happened to me (short of getting killed) and all of the kids I knew in group homes, I guess I assumed they happened to most of us... at least in the class of people I come from.
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#40981 - 06/05/06 11:47 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
But it is only disabled children whose disability is used as a rationale for the parents to murder, abuse, neglect them.
You mean by the parents themselves, or by the culture at large?
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#40983 - 06/06/06 06:20 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
corlorde
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But it is only disabled children whose disability is used as a rationale for the parents to murder, abuse, neglect them.
When it is the mother doing the killing, there is always a "rationale." If the sons weren't disabled and the mother killed or tried to kill them, she would be given pause using the "clinically depressed" rationale. Or "the husband is a pig and drove her to it rationale" or a host of others I have read over the past few years when mothers murder.
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#40984 - 06/06/06 01:08 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Loc: United Provinces of America 		Sorry TJ for my testiness. Xuxan brings that out of me I guess.

I would like to point out that "women" have been killing their own children, AB and Disabled, for as long as women have been bearing children. The latest "excuse" for those women is postpartum(sp) depression. Society needs to believe that there must be something wrong with a "mother" mentally for her to do such an evil deed. They WANT to find an excuse. This has nothing to do with a disablitity issue.
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#40985 - 06/06/06 02:35 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
The latest "excuse" for those women is postpartum(sp) depression. Society needs to believe that there must be something wrong with a "mother" mentally for her to do such an evil deed. They WANT to find an excuse. This has nothing to do with a disablitity issue.
I agree with all of this except that postpartum depression is real and in some cases is the reason but I think it is used as a justification many times when it should not be. Some people are just plain mean and don't care.
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#40986 - 06/06/06 10:10 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Originally posted by MerryA:
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
The latest "excuse" for those women is postpartum(sp) depression. Society needs to believe that there must be something wrong with a "mother" mentally for her to do such an evil deed. They WANT to find an excuse. This has nothing to do with a disablitity issue.
I agree with all of this except that postpartum depression is real and in some cases is the reason but I think it is used as a justification many times when it should not be. Some people are just plain mean and don't care.
Sure it is real, but many women get this syndrome and do not kill their kids.
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#40988 - 06/06/06 11:19 PM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Yes, because most women who have babies get post-partum care and the doctor recognized the clinical depression and the mother gets help. So although she still has a medical problem it is under control and being watched.

The women who murder their children are not under doctors care or have doctors who refuse to diagnose it and tell mothers they will get over it without medical support.
Sorry but that is a crock of shit. Many women don't get treated, they just get over it.

I suppose since alcoholism is a "desease" we should be able to use that as an "excuse" as well?

Too many excuses these days.
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#40992 - 06/07/06 10:07 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
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Sorry but that [postpartum depression] is a crock of shit. Many women don't get treated, they just get over it.

I suppose since alcoholism is a "desease" we should be able to use that as an "excuse" as well?

Too many excuses these days.
you sound just like tom cruise.
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#40993 - 06/07/06 10:13 AM Re: Another parents attempts to murder her twin disabled sons (with cp)
ParaDude
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Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
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Originally posted by ParaDude:
Sorry but that [postpartum depression] is a crock of shit. Many women don't get treated, they just get over it.

I suppose since alcoholism is a "desease" we should be able to use that as an "excuse" as well?

Too many excuses these days.
you sound just like tom cruise.
Ouch...that hurt.

It's the truth Star. We have too many diagnosis' that allow a person to blame that "condition" rather than their actions. We have the extra Y chromosome BS that supposedly makes a male pre-disposed to violence, depression (boohoo get over it), funny how nations with the most in terms of food, shelter, clothing, etc etc, are nations with the most depressed people. Sheeesh, there a folks in third world countries who are happier than we are and they go to bed hungry at night. I think its the old, "too much time on our hands to think" syndrome. If ya had to work a 12 hour day, and 6 more when ya got home, you wouldn't have time to be depressed.

ADD, ADHD, postpartum, prepartum, alcoholism, drug addiction, blah blah blah...too many excuses, not enough accountability.
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