#40222 - 07/30/06 12:44 PM
Re: Myths about Disability
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francis
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The list Xuxan has made is very accurate in my experience. My wife has MS so I've become intensely involved in the life of the disabled. People often tell my wife how "brave" she is, & tell me how heroic I am for staying with her, for not divorcing her. I stay with her for the same reason any spouse stays with their spouse, because I love her. I tell people that the difference between me & a disabled person can be one micro-second. That all it takes for a cranial blood vessel to break, or to get clobbered by a vehicle, or get thrown off a horse, or trip and fall, etc. One event that occured in a matter of seconds is often the difference between a disabled and non-disabled person, So, there's nothing inherently wrong with my wife because she has a disability, she's not being punished, she's not a brave kid, it's just a result of the uncertainty & perils of life on earth. Yet, people still see the disabled in terms of all the myths Xuxan has listed, as if there's something exotic or damned about a disabled person.
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#40223 - 07/30/06 01:05 PM
Re: Myths about Disability
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MrSoul
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Stevie Wonder was a big hero to me when I was young, so I think having "disabled heroes" for kids does matter. (Maybe you have to be a disabled child/adolescent to get that?)
I still remember a line in "Master Blaster" where he offhandedly says "from the park, I hear rhythm"--and it was like he communicated the reality of his life to us...yet in a way everyone could identify with.
And damn, I do love that song. Didn't know you/Would be jammin until the break of dawn...
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#40224 - 07/30/06 02:08 PM
Re: Myths about Disability
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StarlightAngel
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Originally posted by francis: The list Xuxan has made is very accurate in my experience. My wife has MS so I've become intensely involved in the life of the disabled. People often tell my wife how "brave" she is, & tell me how heroic I am for staying with her, for not divorcing her. I stay with her for the same reason any spouse stays with their spouse, because I love her. I tell people that the difference between me & a disabled person can be one micro-second. That all it takes for a cranial blood vessel to break, or to get clobbered by a vehicle, or get thrown off a horse, or trip and fall, etc. One event that occured in a matter of seconds is often the difference between a disabled and non-disabled person, So, there's nothing inherently wrong with my wife because she has a disability, she's not being punished, she's not a brave kid, it's just a result of the uncertainty & perils of life on earth. Yet, people still see the disabled in terms of all the myths Xuxan has listed, as if there's something exotic or damned about a disabled person. it's just a matter of projection. people project their inherent fear of disability be making that disabled person somehow extraordinary so they won't have to identify with the potentiality of being disabled themselves.
but anyway, more myths:
"if you hire a disabled worker, the ADA modifications will bankrupt the company."
"every problem associated with having a disability can be solved if you have enough social/environmental supports."
"people with disabilities can't make their own medical decisions."
"if someone with a disability is famous, it is because they are disabled."
"people with disabilities have no social lives and never leave the house."
"any accomplishment by someone with a disability is much more impressive than if it is done by a nondisabled person - no matter how minor - and deserves to be praised as such."
"people with disabilies should be viewed as object lessons about the triumph of the human spirit."
"we're all like terri schiavo."
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#40226 - 07/30/06 02:23 PM
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Wheelchair_diva
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** "If you are disabled and divorced it is because your AB parthner got sick of dealing with your disability, and not because any other relationship problems"
** "If you are a disabled parent, you will be denying your child to live his/her life to the fullest"
** "A disabled person is here to get help, but will not be able to help anyone"
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#40227 - 07/30/06 03:04 PM
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jerseychick_dup1
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Originally posted by Xuxan:
1. "Disabled" is "disabled" all the way down: if you have one disability, people think you have a lot more. If you are in a chair, you are probably deaf and cognitively disabled, too! [MJ note: decades ago Beatrice Wright called this "the spread effect."]
2. The angry or selfish cripple syndrome: disabled people are angry at the world; they are selfish, too, wanting more than their fair share of everything.
* If you are disabled you are poor and dependent upon the government for financial support.
* People with disabilities go around suing everyone who makes them mad. An offshoot of the "uppity crip" myth. * We're asexual.
* We're nonsexual.
* If you have a disability, you're incapable of handling your own affairs or living your own life or making your own decisions. * People with disabilities must be protected. .[/QB] I have been a victim of mythhs above many many times~great thread xuxan
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#40228 - 07/30/06 06:05 PM
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walkin and rollin
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Originally posted by MrSoul: Originally posted by StarlightAngel: "people with disabilies should be viewed as object lessons about the triumph of the human spirit." Agree with everything on your list, except this.
What's wrong with that? And why not? I tend to think of any "adversity" that way, not just disability... i.e. being born dirt-poor and starting a successful business or becoming educated, overcoming child abuse/bad childhoods, immigrants who struggled to get here, addiction recovery, blah blah blah. I call it the Oprah specialty dept. I like those stories, and I admit I get something from them all.
Why do you think it's bad if applied to someone with a disability? It's setting 'them' apart. If it's them, it can't be me. Those stories have a place, but people try to make every gimp fit into 'that' category, and that category is basically 'anybody different than me'. There's no harm in hearing about a successful supercrip, but it's like saying that because I can ride a bicycle, I should be pedaling with Lance. Pointing out Lance Armstrong's exploits isn't going to motivate me because we will never be in the same league. Similarly, pointing out some supercrip's accomplishments as motivation for your average gimp is seen as patronizing and classist whether the person mentioning such exploits means to be. Tis a fine line between encouragement and patronizing. (My interpretation anyway.) walkin
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#40229 - 07/30/06 06:23 PM
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MrSoul
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Originally posted by walkin and rollin: Pointing out Lance Armstrong's exploits isn't going to motivate me because we will never be in the same league. Really??? I just enjoy hearing about people who are strongly capable and motivated... Lance included. I don't care whether I can do the thing they do, or not. As I said, I always idolized Stevie Wonder but never thought I'd be able to play music. I just admired him; he controlled his own life, and did as he pleased. He did not let his dis limit him or his talent. For instance:
Besides Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder was one of the few Motown stars to contest the label's factory-like operation methods: artists, songwriters, and producers were usually kept in specialized collectives with little or no overlap, and artists had no creative control. Wonder argued with Berry Gordy over creative control a number of times. As a compromise, Motown released an album under the name "Eivets Rednow" (Stevie Wonder backwards). Arguments continued and, Wonder allowed his Motown contract to expire, and he left the label on his twenty-first birthday in 1971. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Wonder
As a kid, I was thrilled when I first read he'd told Gordy to shove it up his ass! What balls! Other Motown artists did not have those balls. It could have destroyed his career, but he did it anyway. And yes, I think being blind was one reason he resented being controlled, and rebelled against it. He has said as much.
Similarly, I particularly enjoy reading about successful writers, philosophers, musicians, etc that I admire. Most have dealt with some kind of adversity and I don't think that is any accident. As one of those philosophers once said, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
Guess I need to get with the (politically correct) crip program, huh?
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#40230 - 07/30/06 11:51 PM
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walkin and rollin
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Hearing of others' exploits and of what some are capable of is fine, can be a moment of admiration at attaining a lofty goal, envy that another got a gift I covet, but it seems that some people are driven to motivate those whom they judge to need motivating. It can be a patronizing attitude. I do admire Lance, and he does not motivate me. Maybe the difference is in you admiring Wonders' attitude, and in someone telling you that you should be like him. walkin
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#40231 - 07/31/06 10:07 AM
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MerryA
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W&R - I agree - when people notice and appreciate an accomplishment and DON'T mention a disability, that is cool - when the focus is how the person "overcame" or "did it is spite of" it pisses me off. Instead of elevating the person who achieved the accomplishment, it slams the person because they are now their dis - the person is no longer defined by the accomplishment but by the disability - no longer outstanding for the accomplishment, just a gimp, "what an inspiration that s/he would even try."
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#40232 - 07/31/06 12:31 PM
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Linda252
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Good point, Walkin and Rollin. I agree with you, too. I also think that sometimes people who do this aren't actually conscious that their behavior can be patronizing. I say, CAN be because not all folks who bring this stuff up to me are doing it to be patronizing...
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#40233 - 07/31/06 02:32 PM
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Hodger
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I accidentally flipped throught the Simple Life last night. Good ole Paris & Nicole took a family of people with drarfism camping. It had all the lack of class I expected, but I was totally impressed that they didn't focus one little bit on their disabilities.
Little People, Big World, on the other hand makes me ill. Let's all look how hard these poor peoples' lives are. Look how well they do despite their horrible, unbearable disabilities. The way I see it is these friggin people don't deserve a prime-time show. They're people, with people problems, with people drama and people engenuity. So what if they're dwarfs? I just don't care and it offends me to no end that they are presented as martyrs and their most common topic of conversation involves how hard it is for them to do everyday activities. Cry me a flipping river!
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#40234 - 07/31/06 03:06 PM
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walkin and rollin
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I don't think it's meant to be patronizing, and I think conciousness-raising is a better response than sulking. People are usually trying to make a connection, to connect what they actually see with what the media tells them to expect. Sorting things into recognizable categories is a very human trait- making sure you're in the right slot can be a pain. walkin
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#40235 - 07/31/06 11:15 PM
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tandi
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MrSoul quote: Guess I need to get with the (politically correct) crip program, huh? -------------------------------------------------- Why? Would you want to do that, MrSoul? Please don't. Please stay 'real'. C.
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#40236 - 08/01/06 01:07 AM
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Paul I
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Cass, I did not say that anyone ever thinks they will become disabled. Only that if engaged in a discussion of such must acknowledge it's a possibility. Knowing this they realize that it doesn't change who they are, just what they can do physically and how they do it. And as I said I am sure there are people who believe these myths but I don't know any. To my friens and acquaintances I am just me. Maybe they do or don't wonder about my personal routines but I can perceive no mythology woven about my existence or nature. PI
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