* "I could never ..... live like you do, put up with what you do, tolerate the lack of privacy, ask for help.... you are only given as much as you can handle."

Originally posted by Xuxan:
* Your disability could be cured if you only had enough faith.

* "I could never ..... live like you do, put up with what you do, tolerate the lack of privacy, ask for help.... you are only given as much as you can handle."

Originally posted by dowdy:
another really bad myth is thatwe actually like bland hospital or institution style food and eat it when we are at home....

Originally posted by dowdy:
That because some moronic super crip went up everest in a wheelchair backwards, or swim accross the English channel, or some other stupid activity that everyone else who is disabled should and can do that, and more importantly should want to.

Originally posted by dowdy:
I am not belittling them its the myth that because some else has done xyz and have accomplished abc that I should give a rats arse for their superatheticism and that I should want to be like them.

Originally posted by dowdy:
I disagree with you.

I don't think it's the same. Normal kids have heroes in the arts and sciences, poets and playwrits. But the only heroes disabled children are allowed with disabilities are the supercrips, We grow up with no choice in the heroes we are offered, the only heroes are the supercrips.

Originally posted by Xuxan:
More importantly can't kids w/o disabilties have heroes that do?

Originally posted by dowdy:
But the only heroes disabled children are allowed with disabilities are the supercrips, ...

Originally posted by Xuxan:
Because people with disabilities are just as worthy of being heroes, but too often are overlooked by people without disabilities.

Originally posted by Xuxan:
Tommi Iommi?

Originally posted by dowdy:
That because some moronic super crip went up everest in a wheelchair backwards, or swim accross the English channel, or some other stupid activity that everyone else who is disabled should and can do that, and more importantly should want to.

Originally posted by kan5a5:

Quote:

Originally posted by dowdy:
I disagree with you.

I don't think it's the same. Normal kids have heroes in the arts and sciences, poets and playwrits. But the only heroes disabled children are allowed with disabilities are the supercrips, We grow up with no choice in the heroes we are offered, the only heroes are the supercrips.

crips can't have able bodied heroes?
good grief

perhaps when a crip excells in the arts and sciences, his or her disability is less relavent to the project or product

man in wheelchair writes a short story!
woman pushes wheelchair across nebraska!

which 'headline' has a bigger 'hook'?

Originally posted by ParaDude:
...there are those moronic crips who spend their lives getting PhDs, spending their entire lives in school just trying to look important in a AB world. They are professional student who study a subject that has no real use in the real world. Now those crips are the true moronic psuedo-intellectuals who actually believe that between the pills, and the bottle, that they are actually contributing to society.

Originally posted by StarlightAngel:

Quote:

Originally posted by ParaDude:
...there are those moronic crips who spend their lives getting PhDs, spending their entire lives in school just trying to look important in a AB world. They are professional student who study a subject that has no real use in the real world. Now those crips are the true moronic psuedo-intellectuals who actually believe that between the pills, and the bottle, that they are actually contributing to society.

geez, thanks a lot, PD. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dowdy:
I disagree with you.

I don't think it's the same. Normal kids have heroes in the arts and sciences, poets and playwrits. But the only heroes disabled children are allowed with disabilities are the supercrips, We grow up with no choice in the heroes we are offered, the only heroes are the supercrips.

Originally posted by StarlightAngel:

Quote:

Originally posted by dowdy:
I disagree with you.

I don't think it's the same. Normal kids have heroes in the arts and sciences, poets and playwrits. But the only heroes disabled children are allowed with disabilities are the supercrips, We grow up with no choice in the heroes we are offered, the only heroes are the supercrips.

maybe what you are talking about, rather than "heroes", is "role models"?

i think i get the general idea of what dowd's point is - that these superathletic "supercrips" get a lot of publicity for activities that are essentially self-indulgent while crips in other areas (including -gasp- crips with actual jobs) are unjustifiably neglected.

that is, if i'm reading him right.

that being said, i think dis kids today have many more dis role models to choose from than maybe in the past. also, i think that dis kids today are much less limited in the role models - dis OR a/b - that they can choose, whereas previous generations of dis kids might not have been encouraged to aspire to certain a/b role models, believing they were somehow out of reach...

jmo.

Originally posted by StarlightAngel:

Quote:

Originally posted by ParaDude:
...there are those moronic crips who spend their lives getting PhDs, spending their entire lives in school just trying to look important in a AB world. They are professional student who study a subject that has no real use in the real world. Now those crips are the true moronic psuedo-intellectuals who actually believe that between the pills, and the bottle, that they are actually contributing to society.

geez, thanks a lot, PD. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by francis:
The list Xuxan has made is very accurate in my experience. My wife has MS so I've become intensely involved in the life of the disabled.
People often tell my wife how "brave" she is, & tell me how heroic I am for staying with her, for not divorcing her. I stay with her for the same reason any spouse stays with their spouse, because I love her.
I tell people that the difference between me & a disabled person can be one micro-second. That all it takes for a cranial blood vessel to break, or to get clobbered by a vehicle, or get thrown off a horse, or trip and fall, etc.
One event that occured in a matter of seconds is often the difference between a disabled and non-disabled person,
So, there's nothing inherently wrong with my wife because she has a disability, she's not being punished, she's not a brave kid, it's just a result of the uncertainty & perils of life on earth.
Yet, people still see the disabled in terms of all the myths Xuxan has listed, as if there's something exotic or damned about a disabled person.

Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
"people with disabilies should be viewed as object lessons about the triumph of the human spirit."

Originally posted by Xuxan:

1. "Disabled" is "disabled" all the way down: if you have one disability, people think you have a lot more. If you are in a chair, you are probably deaf and cognitively disabled, too! [MJ note: decades ago Beatrice Wright called this "the spread effect."]

2. The angry or selfish cripple syndrome: disabled people are angry at the world; they are selfish, too, wanting more than their fair share of everything.

* If you are disabled you are poor and dependent upon the government for financial support.

* People with disabilities go around suing everyone who makes them mad. An offshoot of the "uppity crip" myth.
* We're asexual.

* We're nonsexual.

* If you have a disability, you're incapable of handling your own affairs or living your own life or making your own decisions.
* People with disabilities must be protected.
.[/QB]

Originally posted by MrSoul:

Quote:

Originally posted by StarlightAngel:
"people with disabilies should be viewed as object lessons about the triumph of the human spirit."

Agree with everything on your list, except this.

What's wrong with that? And why not? I tend to think of any "adversity" that way, not just disability... i.e. being born dirt-poor and starting a successful business or becoming educated, overcoming child abuse/bad childhoods, immigrants who struggled to get here, addiction recovery, blah blah blah. I call it the Oprah specialty dept. I like those stories, and I admit I get something from them all.

Why do you think it's bad if applied to someone with a disability?

Originally posted by walkin and rollin:
Pointing out Lance Armstrong's exploits isn't going to motivate me because we will never be in the same league.

Besides Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder was one of the few Motown stars to contest the label's factory-like operation methods: artists, songwriters, and producers were usually kept in specialized collectives with little or no overlap, and artists had no creative control. Wonder argued with Berry Gordy over creative control a number of times. As a compromise, Motown released an album under the name "Eivets Rednow" (Stevie Wonder backwards). Arguments continued and, Wonder allowed his Motown contract to expire, and he left the label on his twenty-first birthday in 1971.

Originally posted by tandi:
MrSoul quote:
Guess I need to get with the (politically correct) crip program, huh?
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Why? Would you want to do that, MrSoul?
Please don't. Please stay 'real'. C.