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#202443 - 06/20/12 08:02 AM From the Student Doctor Network
ævory
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http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=559195

Now tell me how Obamacare is going to handle these problems instead of asking what alternatives one can present to defend the opposition to his unconstitutional healthcare overhaul.

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#202444 - 06/20/12 08:14 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
Greg
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Originally Posted By: ævory
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=559195

Now tell me how Obamacare is going to handle these problems instead of asking what alternatives one can present to defend the opposition to his unconstitutional healthcare overhaul.


you can't be serious, a med student bulletin board?

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#202445 - 06/20/12 09:37 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: Greg]
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..... what Greg said ........ will you get serious?
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#202446 - 06/20/12 12:03 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: cbal-craig]
ævory
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You only think of yourselves.

It's part of the reason you have been name-calling bullies on the boards you use.

Many people are going to find their current coverage dropped due to Obama's "change".

Any reason you can think for that?

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#202466 - 06/20/12 07:22 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
ævory
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You like doctor shortages?

Straining state budgets even more than they already are?

Medicaid reimburses doctors below private sector rates.

What good do you see coming from this huge new influx of medicaid people that will be the result of Obamacare?

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#202467 - 06/21/12 06:22 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
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So what the medical profession thinks does not affect you in the least?

That is typical because I've never heard anything BUT negativity and distaste of doctors and hospitals from the posters who are liberals (and scattering of other 'regular' posters).

It is all about simply -what affects YOU-....your pocketbook.


Edited by ævory (06/21/12 07:19 AM)

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#202469 - 06/21/12 08:06 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
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amazing, you got all that from a med student bulletin board
makes one wonder about the serious discussion that could be had if you had referenced a credible source

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#202490 - 06/21/12 06:33 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: Greg]
ævory
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Not that I've ever felt the need to reiterate what the Right has repeatedly suggested for an alternative to Obama's reform when asked by liberal posters of PQ.... and I don't need to say what everyone knows -that our health insurance marketplace has been pretty dysfunctional for a long time- but.....policymakers could change the tax laws so individual insurance gets a more equal footing with employer-provided insurance ....and if people were allowed to buy insurance across state lines (I mean, how MANY times have we heard this stuff...the left simply does not care to hear it). Health Savings Accounts would be something many people would like. Then they could control their own dollar instead of the government doing so.
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#202493 - 06/21/12 07:38 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
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As a non USian outsider your health care system seems screwey, especially if you aren't well off. You get sick in the US and you don't have a mega insurance plan or you aren't well off then you're headed to the poor house. Canada's system isn't great but I know if I or my kids get really sick or have a big accident (as happened to my son a couple of years ago) I won't end up broke.

Now as to the politics of it, the liberals have at least put in place a plan (although it has dumb things in it) that will help get health care to many more Americans. Same for the immigration issue for young people, it is a starting point.

Other than the Bush prescription drug plan which cost mega bucks and the Ryan plan which seems regressive what have the republicans done or have to offer wrt to health care or immigration reform.

Romney is going to lose for sure if he doesn't get off the everything anti-Obama campaign and start putting some firm policy proposals on the table.

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#202501 - 06/22/12 08:35 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: Greg]
ævory
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http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-...uperlegislature
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#202508 - 06/22/12 11:40 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
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When a member of Congress introduces legislation, the Constitution requires that legislative proposal to secure the approval of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the president (unless Congress overrides a presidential veto) before it can become law. In all cases, either chamber of Congress may block it.

In 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) created the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB. When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it. Blocking an IPAB "proposal" requires at a minimum that the House and the Senate and the president agree on a substitute. The Board's edicts therefore can become law without congressional action, congressional approval, meaningful congressional oversight, or being subject to a presidential veto. Citizens will have no power to challenge IPAB's edicts in court.

Worse, PPACA forbids Congress from repealing IPAB outside of a seven-month window in the year 2017, and even then requires a three-fifths majority in both chambers. A heretofore unreported feature of PPACA dictates that if Congress misses that repeal window, PPACA prohibits Congress from ever altering an IPAB "proposal." [b]By restricting lawmaking powers of future Congresses, PPACA thus attempts to amend the Constitution by statute.[/b

I don't think it sounds that scary.
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#202509 - 06/23/12 05:14 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: flicka]
ævory
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We ....in AMERICA...will have an uprising of anger and revolt or we won't have to because it will be declared unconstitutional. Either way, a feeling of it not sounding that scary is irrelevant.

How long do you wait for the House, the Senate, and a president to agree on an alternative to what the IPAB decides upon? Would they all ever decide?

It's just insane that we have a president who majored in Constitutional Law and we find him on the other side of the constitution on three of the hottest issues of our political times.


Edited by ævory (06/23/12 06:26 AM)

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#202519 - 06/24/12 05:35 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: ævory

How long do you wait for the House, the Senate, and a president to agree on an alternative to what the IPAB decides upon? Would they all ever decide?

IPAB would force a decision. I think it's great! The way it is now, suggestions, proposals, etc. are allowed to sit around until the cows come home. Knowing there is a deadline will force a solution.

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Health Savings Accounts would be something many people would like. Then they could control their own dollar instead of the government doing so.

Truthfully, if I was supposed to take my current $120/month insurance payment and stick it in a bank account, I would have spent myself out during the first two weeks of this year. I don't understand how people think this is a good idea.


Edited by flicka (06/24/12 05:36 PM)
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#202521 - 06/24/12 06:31 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: flicka]
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I personally think Med students would be more sharp and concerned about their medical oprofessions future than Dr's. who are already wealthy and looking out for themselves maybe less than the focus of a med Med student would be on legislation.
Paul

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#202528 - 06/25/12 05:27 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ævory
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Obama said in 2008 that his healthcare reform plan would lower premium payments by $2,500 year? He no longer says by how much. He knows...and we all know, that instead it is going to raise premium payments for most Americans. It's simple,,,it means the insurance companies will be forced by IPAB to cover MORE.......................MORE EXTENSIVE COVERAGE. How does that get paid for?

IPAB is a forced hand. For the life of me, I'll never understand liberals...least the years of listening to the ones of this board who've for the most part left but they live in the 70's talking like they are the die-hard rebels of anything smelling remotely of Anything forced whether it be religion, medicine, or yada yada yada, you name it. But THIS they agree to. Or they aren't thinking and they just accept without any further thought than "You had me at your smile, Obama. I'm with you all the way. Whatever you say."

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#202529 - 06/25/12 05:27 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
I personally think Med students would be more sharp and concerned about their medical oprofessions future than Dr's. who are already wealthy and looking out for themselves maybe less than the focus of a med Med student would be on legislation.
Paul


agreed

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#202530 - 06/25/12 06:57 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
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i think liberals can be pacified...i am stunned at the progress made in my lifetime. conservatives, on the other hand, seem like they will not rest as long as some sinners are having more fun than they are. what's up with that?

how will sick people suffering great financial loss because they need medical attention benefit you personally?
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#202532 - 06/25/12 11:22 AM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: ævory]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Obama said in 2008 that his healthcare reform plan would lower premium payments by $2,500 year?
Lower premium payments to whom? Individuals?
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Or they aren't thinking and they just accept without any further thought than "You had me at your smile, Obama. I'm with you all the way. Whatever you say."
He is very handsome, but handsome is as handsome does. So far, I'm still behind him...


Edited by flicka (06/25/12 11:25 AM)
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#202559 - 06/26/12 04:44 PM Re: From the Student Doctor Network [Re: flicka]
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One day you will see the light, Flicka. Or I will. I think and hope it will be you.
Paul

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