#201800 - 03/17/12 10:22 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Prior to his deployment to Afghanistan, the soldier had lost part of a foot in Iraq and suffered a traumatic brain injury, according to his lawyer, John Henry Browne. The Seattle attorney said the screening for the concussion was minimal.
"He was told that he was not going to be redeployed," Browne said. "The family was counting on him not being redeployed. I think it would be fair to say he and the family were not happy that he was going back."
He also said that, the day before the slayings, another soldier on that base had his leg shot off in front of the suspect.
I can see how a person could snap.
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#201801 - 03/18/12 07:53 AM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Yes the media is focusing on those aspects in the search for a reason but what caught my attention was and get under reported:
The ensuing battle -- which succeeded -- left 250 Iraqis dead, 81 wounded and 410 detained; none of the 2-3 Infantry's soldiers was hurt or killed, the article says.
250 dead! It really is the killing fields there.
and not one US soldier even hurt
no wonder asymmetric warfare has become the norm
wrt to Sgt. Bales, it is reported more than 1/3 of active duty soldiers in afghanistan have a TBI or PTSD, makes for a lot of "angry" people
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#201802 - 03/18/12 01:24 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Angry, depressed, disabled...we think we have medical cost problems now?
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#201803 - 03/18/12 01:47 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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250 dead! It really is the killing fields there.
Remember that was in Iraq in either late '08, or early 2009. I just wish Obama had pulled out of Afghanistan immediately after bin Laden was out of the picture.
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#201809 - 03/23/12 08:48 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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What stands out is the lack of any understanding of the two individuals in one body. His logical mind would have told him that women and children were not the enemy. His behavior is so hugely different than his described nature that I literally cannot hold him responsible for what he did. I'm guessing that maybe he doesn't know what he did.
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#201817 - 03/24/12 08:53 AM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Three, four, five redeployments would snap anyone eventually... in addition to his other problems. Time to GTF outta this "good war" NOW.
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#201822 - 03/24/12 02:32 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Greg
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The real enemy is Pakistan but fighting them by sticking around Afghanistan is a weak strategy.
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#201828 - 03/24/12 03:24 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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It is no strategy. O'Biden was right all along.
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#201833 - 03/24/12 03:49 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Greg
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That's Lettermen's mat'l.
Given the US mindset wrt wars how does one leave Afganistan and not be skewered? If Obama could figure that one out I'd bet he order a withdrawl immediately. Can you imagine if McCain was in charge now?
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#201839 - 03/25/12 04:15 AM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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No that's Palin material.
The US mindset wrt wars is win quickly and come home. The American people have long since had enough of this now-useless enterprise.
Obama made a politically expedient choice by touting the value of the Afghanistan vs. Iraq war in order to set up the argument that Bush took his eye off the ball. The ball was already out of the park, people. He didn't have the foresight to perceive that ultimately he was painting himself into a corner with that catchy line.
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#201841 - 03/25/12 12:06 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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flicka
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Obama made a politically expedient choice by touting the value of the Afghanistan vs. Iraq war in order to set up the argument that Bush took his eye off the ball.
I think those of us who are honest with ourselves know Bush took his eye of the ball when he invaded Iraq. I would have loved it had Obama brought the troops out after killing bin Laden, but I'm sure there is a lot of info us commoners are not privy to about Afghanistan that is keeping us there.
Edited by flicka (03/25/12 12:18 PM)
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#201842 - 03/25/12 12:30 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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There was little point to an Afghanistan presence after Al Qaeda was chased into Pakistan and tne Taliban were driven from power, unless we were prepared to remain there in perpetuity, and I doubt that was anyone's plan.
In Iraq, at least, there is a chance for a stable government after we're gone. In Afghanistan there is no such chance. The place is barely a country.
What is keeping us there now is Obama's pride.
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#201844 - 03/25/12 04:38 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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In Iraq, at least, there is a chance for a stable government after we're gone.
No, you are wrong about that and Bush too. He was a fool to invade Iraq and the proof is in the pudding my friend.
Nine years after U.S. troops toppled Saddam Hussein and just a few months after the last U.S. soldier left Iraq, the country has become something close to a failed state. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki presides over a system rife with corruption and brutality, in which political leaders use security forces and militias to repress enemies and intimidate the general population. The law exists as a weapon to be wielded against rivals and to hide the misdeeds of allies. The dream of an Iraq governed by elected leaders answerable to the people is rapidly fading away.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137103/ned-parker/the-iraq-we-left-behind
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#201845 - 03/25/12 10:05 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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In Iraq, at least, there is a chance for a stable government after we're gone. In Afghanistan there is no such chance. The place is barely a country.
But isn't a bad place to have troops positioned should another of those rouge nations get jiggy with us.
What is keeping us there now is Obama's pride.
In what way? He has to know this is not pleasing to his approval rating.
Edited by flicka (03/25/12 10:07 PM)
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#201846 - 03/26/12 03:59 AM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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In Iraq, at least, there is a chance for a stable government after we're gone.
It was badly handled (save the first 3 weeks), no argument there. Still, Afghanistan has the prospect of being something worse if we don't get out of there soon.
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#201847 - 03/26/12 04:08 AM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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But isn't a bad place to have troops positioned should another of those rouge nations get jiggy with us.
You could apply the same argument to Iraq. That didn't work out either.
In what way? He has to know this is not pleasing to his approval rating.
He boxed himself in with all the talk of the good war and then doubled down on what was a dumb position in order to save face. To his credit, I think he realized pretty quick the surge was a bad move and started planning for the eventual pullout.
Edited by 80462 (03/26/12 04:10 AM)
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#201854 - 03/26/12 03:12 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Greg
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Come on, admit it, given the cards he was dealt and the affirmative action he has taken Obama has done a good job wrt to foreign policy and repairing America's tatered image abroad.
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#201856 - 03/26/12 11:43 PM
Re: Does anything stand out to you in this story?
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Perhaps Bale couldn't sleep and took some Ambien.
It's weird stuff.
The normal, everyday people- men, women and children despise the Taliban. They are pretty defenseless against them. If they took over Sharia law would be the first change then the sick violence-
stoning of women, random violence, no schools, no women working,etc. We've seen this. Personally, that's why I think
we stay.
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