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#201337 - 02/14/12 04:18 PM Where would NM be today if
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a bunch of insurgents, no make that cry babies, had not made it their mission to drive people away from NM to another board?
And all because these cry babies took issue with NM management wanting to institute some framework of reasonable standards of behaviour.
Add to that, the other board made, less than subtle, attempts to poach members and foster resentment within the NM community.

Never doubt the power of a few to screw things up for the majority.

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#201338 - 02/14/12 05:12 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Sounds like another attempt to foster resentment somewhere,Greg. ;-)
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#201339 - 02/14/12 11:50 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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#201342 - 02/15/12 09:16 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Paul I]
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Divide and conquer because "a house divided against itself cannot stand".

It began with coercion and strong arming of NM members. "Our site is great, NM sucks", "make a choice where you want to post but all the better people are moving over", even using links for the new site in NM signatures!

Then the transition to the new board had to be managed and while "The Secret Society" was a joke it was a good metaphor for how members were convinced to change their allegiance. As a few members started posting on the new site, pressure was put on them to encourage their NM friends to make the move.

Finally came the real dirty part, alienation, how to cleanse the new board of people the "society" deemed unworthy. They found an excuse to get rid of Wabi, then they vilified and deboned the scapegoat for NM's failing, Susan. Finally for a girl who was born, raised and lives in the deep south, they welcomed her to the new board with a stern warning and a picture of a hangman's noose.

Yea, everyone was free to make their choice.

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#201344 - 02/15/12 11:59 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Most people are more intelligent than you (Greg) give them credit. Everything you described in the above post would only work if previous posters were as weak and easy to manipulate as you imagine.

It's been six (6) years this coming September. Let it be.
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#201345 - 02/15/12 12:05 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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and yet, as your 'welcome to those who value freedom' thread shows, NM is still a playground for anonymous sh1t stirrers and multiple aliases. that is what started the problems. that is what brought NM down. that is why no one will ever take NM seriously.
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#201353 - 02/15/12 01:21 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: kan5a5]
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Originally Posted By: kan5a5
and yet, as your 'welcome to those who value freedom' thread shows, NM is still a playground for anonymous sh1t stirrers and multiple aliases. that is what started the problems. that is what brought NM down. that is why no one will ever take NM seriously.


come on, you really bought into that paranoia? there were a few like XV and michelle who played around but that was used as an excuse to convince people to leave NM, just like Susan's stupid secret email storyline.

the great thing about NM was the connection people had to eachother and the ability to self govern, some equated that to ownership of NM and so when the real NM owners asked for some control and co-operation a few got their noses out of joint and staged a kind of insurgency. Steve had his project underway and so a few "suckie" NMers threw their lot in with PQ and the campaign that ensued sucked NM dry.

I can believe Flicka would rather not have this all brought up as she was one of the earlier defector that worked in the background firing off shots that eventualy got the stampede started.

Also, I don't buy the whole people left cause Facebook exists. CC is doing just fine.

Ask yourself, if PQ hadn't have existed would NM havr been desimated or would it have worked through it's challenges?

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#201355 - 02/15/12 01:34 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I can believe Flicka would rather not have this all brought up as she was one of the earlier defector that worked in the background firing off shots that eventualy got the stampede started.

Imagine all you want, Greg. I've never had a problem posting anywhere I wanted and NM is one of those places. In fact, I wasn't worried about posting here even if Xuxan became moderator. I DO admit that I thought Jeff Leonard would pull the plug on the NM messageboard when he received the threat of trashing NM to veteran groups by a former poster. Hell, this board is meant to be a positive resource for those with disabilities. I saw no value in him keeping the board alive after all the bullshit...guess that's why I've never been good at management.
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#201356 - 02/15/12 02:01 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka

I've never had a problem posting anywhere I wanted and NM is one of those places. In fact, I wasn't worried about posting here even if Xuxan became moderator.


Xunan the moderator of NM? yea right Jeff made it kinda clear, I thought, that any connection to her was tenuous, at best. I know you were posting at NM, PQ and Kim's. It was your advocating for PQ at the expense of NM, both at PQ and NM, that I am referring to. Please, please don't ask me to find examples, library duty makes me cranky.

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#201357 - 02/15/12 02:14 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
It was your advocating for PQ at the expense of NM, both at PQ and NM, that I am referring to. Please, please don't ask me to find examples, library duty makes me cranky.

Plus, you can't find any examples of something that never happened. Let it be.
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#201358 - 02/15/12 03:26 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Greg
It was your advocating for PQ at the expense of NM, both at PQ and NM, that I am referring to. Please, please don't ask me to find examples, library duty makes me cranky.

Plus, you can't find any examples of something that never happened. Let it be.


From a discussion about NM:

Originally Posted By: flicka
What self-righteous assholes. FU CK 'em.


Originally Posted By: flicka

So...if that turns out to be true, my guess is that NM, as we knew it, is history.



Originally Posted By: flicka

Is it not bizarre that the "new ruler" takes over as soon as Dude leaves? Coincidence? I think not. [:-bgrin]

It will be interesting to see what actually happens with all this bluff & bluster.



Originally Posted By: flicka

I'm sure there are a lot of disappointed people, reeling in disgust over the "conference".







Originally Posted By: SteveGIMP

It doesn't take many qualifications to do what Susan wants to do. All it takes is a list of "rules" and an administrative/moderator level login.

The rest comes down to trust and impartiality.





yea right, "impartiality"

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#201360 - 02/15/12 07:12 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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I'm not seeing these links in NM signatures for another site.
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#201361 - 02/15/12 07:42 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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they aren't links amber; they're quotes.
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#201362 - 02/15/12 08:19 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
they aren't links amber; they're quotes.
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Rob look at the 4th post in this thread.

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#201363 - 02/15/12 08:52 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg

From a discussion about NM:

Originally Posted By: flicka
What self-righteous assholes. FU CK 'em.

It was aimed at Xuxan & Joy not NM...
Quote:
original post by me:
My favorite part about this whole asinine mess is that what originally bothered Susan (new posters being run off) WAS Joy's specialty.

What self-righteous assholes. FU CK 'em. source

Nothing you posted showed me advocating for PQ at the expense of NM. It didn't happen.


Edited by flicka (02/15/12 08:54 PM)
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#201364 - 02/16/12 09:19 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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It was a group of people who fed off of eachother, just piling on more and more until they had fully convinced themselves and anyone listening of their decision to change allegiance. By putting down NM and extoling the virtues of PQ they justified their takedown of NM. Like a cheating spouse will lie to themselves and anyone they try and convince in order to justify having an affair.

I don't care if you don't want to take responsibility for your part. The more I read this morning the more disgusted I got.
I could post a hundred more examples but what is the point since you "can do no wrong".

Originally Posted By: flicka

It's hideous. And it looks like they wasted a chance to start clean. Too bad.

Look at that member list! What a joke.


Originally Posted By: flicka

It will never recover for me.
Glory days done passed her by.


Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: Paulwa

Who knew Steve a long time ago would be fixing up an alternative home for us? Thanks Steve.[:-clap]

Me. I've suspected it would happen for years. I just hope we can keep Steve on board. It can't be an easy task to deal with posters' concerns if you are committed.

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#201367 - 02/16/12 12:02 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka

I DO admit that I thought Jeff Leonard would pull the plug on the NM messageboard when he received the threat of trashing NM to veteran groups by a former poster.

Quote:
Me. I've suspected it would happen for years. I just hope we can keep Steve on board. It can't be an easy task to deal with posters' concerns if you are committed.
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#201368 - 02/16/12 01:06 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: flicka

I DO admit that I thought Jeff Leonard would pull the plug on the NM messageboard when he received the threat of trashing NM to veteran groups by a former poster.

Quote:
Me. I've suspected it would happen for years. I just hope we can keep Steve on board. It can't be an easy task to deal with posters' concerns if you are committed.



It comes with the job, actually I think Dr. Young has the balance right.

IMO Steve makes the job more difficult than it need be. Keep the rules fair and simple and don't try to micro manage the member's behaviour.

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#201369 - 02/16/12 01:07 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
...but what is the point since you "can do no wrong".


an AH HA moment?
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#201371 - 02/16/12 01:08 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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A question for you Greg. Awhile back you mentioned you were banned from PQ. Are you still banned from there?
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#201372 - 02/16/12 01:10 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
A question for you Greg. Awhile back you mentioned you were banned from PQ. Are you still banned from there?



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#201373 - 02/16/12 01:12 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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So no one had the courage to answer my question.

If PQ had not been there when NM was in turmoil would NM still be a viable board?

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#201374 - 02/16/12 01:13 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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bh kinda like he was going to ban his self from here. emma banned wabi but not him... emma and him must have somethiing going on
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#201375 - 02/16/12 01:14 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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That's a yes?
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#201376 - 02/16/12 01:17 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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So he wasn't banned from PQ?
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#201377 - 02/16/12 01:19 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: kan5a5]
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Originally Posted By: kan5a5
Originally Posted By: Greg
...but what is the point since you "can do no wrong".


an AH HA moment?


actually it was from a psyche profile I was reading about people who won't accept responsibility for their actions.

I have been down this road with Flicka before so I was not suprised with her response.

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#201380 - 02/16/12 01:27 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So he wasn't banned from PQ?

not that i know of.. he dont answer questions, he only asks
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#201381 - 02/16/12 01:31 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So he wasn't banned from PQ?

not that i know of.. he dont answer questions, he only asks


that's right you don't know but you have no problem commenting
what a lame ass

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#201383 - 02/16/12 01:34 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So he wasn't banned from PQ?

not that i know of.. he dont answer questions, he only asks


that's right you don't know but you have no problem commenting
what a lame ass


bh, the only way to know you are getting the truth is if steve answers. greg's stories changes more than the weather in fl..
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#201384 - 02/16/12 01:34 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So he wasn't banned from PQ?

not that i know of.. he dont answer questions, he only asks


that's right you don't know but you have no problem commenting
what a lame ass


bh, the only way to know you are getting the truth is if steve answers. greg's stories changes more than the weather in fl..
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#201385 - 02/16/12 01:36 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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So I'm left to quess that he was banned. So that's what this is about, just a general hatred for PQ?
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#201387 - 02/16/12 01:38 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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he's done it before when steve told hi to behave...
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#201390 - 02/16/12 01:41 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So I'm left to quess that he was banned. So that's what this is about, just a general hatred for PQ?


ever seen the movie, The Punisher?

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#201392 - 02/16/12 01:47 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
So no one had the courage to answer my question.

If PQ had not been there when NM was in turmoil would NM still be a viable board?


Ok, I am not a member at PQ, never have been. This is the only disability board I go to. To me NM is and always has be viable. Sometimes slower times, yet it's still here and people still post. Granted more viewers than posters...ex the thread I made, 0 replies yet 48 viewers. Just because people don't post as much doesn't mean they are not still here getting info.
Not sure what else you are looking for.

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#201393 - 02/16/12 01:48 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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#201395 - 02/16/12 02:04 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
Originally Posted By: Greg
So no one had the courage to answer my question.

If PQ had not been there when NM was in turmoil would NM still be a viable board?


Ok, I am not a member at PQ, never have been. This is the only disability board I go to. To me NM is and always has be viable. Sometimes slower times, yet it's still here and people still post. Granted more viewers than posters...ex the thread I made, 0 replies yet 48 viewers. Just because people don't post as much doesn't mean they are not still here getting info.
Not sure what else you are looking for.


I guess by viable I meant it more it turns of activity. In order for more "involvement" by viewers the conversation has to be ongoing and is usually driven by, or at least started by, a group of regulars. In the case of NM these regulars moved over to PQ. Unfortunately a new group of regulars has not taken hold at NM and the old regulars drop by for a bootie call and leave a mess behind before heading home. For example JB who shows up here to make a few nasty remarks and then leaves.

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#201396 - 02/16/12 02:08 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
Originally Posted By: Greg
So no one had the courage to answer my question.

If PQ had not been there when NM was in turmoil would NM still be a viable board?


Ok, I am not a member at PQ, never have been. This is the only disability board I go to. To me NM is and always has be viable. Sometimes slower times, yet it's still here and people still post. Granted more viewers than posters...ex the thread I made, 0 replies yet 48 viewers. Just because people don't post as much doesn't mean they are not still here getting info.
Not sure what else you are looking for.


I guess by viable I meant it more it turns of activity. In order for more "involvement" by viewers the conversation has to be ongoing and is usually driven by, or at least started by, a group of regulars. In the case of NM these regulars moved over to PQ. Unfortunately a new group of regulars has not taken hold at NM and the old regulars drop by for a bootie call and leave a mess behind before heading home. For example JB who shows up here to make a few nasty remarks and then leaves.



Oh I can see nasty comments way before JB got here. Don't sell yourself short here Greg.

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#201399 - 02/16/12 02:20 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
Originally Posted By: Greg
So no one had the courage to answer my question.

If PQ had not been there when NM was in turmoil would NM still be a viable board?


Ok, I am not a member at PQ, never have been. This is the only disability board I go to. To me NM is and always has be viable. Sometimes slower times, yet it's still here and people still post. Granted more viewers than posters...ex the thread I made, 0 replies yet 48 viewers. Just because people don't post as much doesn't mean they are not still here getting info.
Not sure what else you are looking for.


I guess by viable I meant it more it turns of activity. In order for more "involvement" by viewers the conversation has to be ongoing and is usually driven by, or at least started by, a group of regulars. In the case of NM these regulars moved over to PQ. Unfortunately a new group of regulars has not taken hold at NM and the old regulars drop by for a bootie call and leave a mess behind before heading home. For example JB who shows up here to make a few nasty remarks and then leaves.



Oh I can see nasty comments way before JB got here. Don't sell yourself short here Greg.


Of course, but JB's claim is I'm a shit disturber and like he isn't. You do the same thing to a certain extent.

Disingenuous, phoney bullshit. PQ is full of those types, probably why I have so much fun there. STOP PRETENDING, EMBRACE THE GAME, EMBRACE THE FOREPLAY.

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#201401 - 02/16/12 02:23 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Or try a different more rewarding hobby.
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#201403 - 02/16/12 02:29 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
Or try a different more rewarding hobby.


why, this one works for me, great stress releiver

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#201405 - 02/16/12 02:30 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Then why complain?
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#201407 - 02/16/12 02:49 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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honestly greg, you have so much negativity and i dont believe you realize it.
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#201411 - 02/16/12 04:42 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I have been down this road with Flicka before so I was not suprised with her response.

I have no problem taking responsibility for things I have done. As far as me advocating an exodus to PQ from NM, it just never happened. Nor did I ever put links to PQ in my sig line, or posts. You're barking up the wrong tree.

It didn't happen, Greg. Let it be.
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#201415 - 02/16/12 11:31 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly

Ok, I am not a member at PQ, never have been. This is the only disability board I go to. To me NM is and always has be viable. Sometimes slower times, yet it's still here and people still post. Granted more viewers than posters...ex the thread I made, 0 replies yet 48 viewers. Just because people don't post as much doesn't mean they are not still here getting info.
Not sure what else you are looking for.

I am not sure how the non-active viewers would learn much if they don't get involved themselves and ask questions. If there is one thing I have noticed from the forum is that a lot of what gets typed up on here disapears.

Originally Posted By: Greg

I guess by viable I meant it more it turns of activity. In order for more "involvement" by viewers the conversation has to be ongoing and is usually driven by, or at least started by, a group of regulars. In the case of NM these regulars moved over to PQ. Unfortunately a new group of regulars has not taken hold at NM and the old regulars drop by for a bootie call and leave a mess behind before heading home. For example JB who shows up here to make a few nasty remarks and then leaves.

I agree with you Greg that there has to be more "involvement" by viewers but when they see a thread like this by "us" regulars where there is nothing but bitching and complaining about the forum it makes the "viewers" think why even get involved in the forum(s). It also makes it even harder that "us" regulars are so few that they look at it as being just a small group that they don't want to get involved in. Atleast that is what it has become.
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#201419 - 02/17/12 12:26 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: 4wheeler]
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Not sure what the non-actives get from here either. Must be something though. Could be that viewed count is just a hoax. lol
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#201422 - 02/17/12 02:28 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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I WAS A VIEWER/LURKER FOR Ayear or so before joining. 4 wheeler, look who started thecouple nonsense threads. yes, unfortunately i joined a bit. greg bad mouths everyone and everything, but never accepts his part.
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#201423 - 02/17/12 02:59 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
greg bad mouths everyone


what a fool, show me where I ever bad mouthed 4-wheeler, I respect his impartiality

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#201428 - 02/17/12 06:50 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: brutalyhonestly]
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Originally Posted By: brutalyhonestly
So I'm left to quess that he was banned. So that's what this is about, just a general hatred for PQ?


Yes, that is exactly what this is about.

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#201429 - 02/17/12 07:02 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg

Of course, but JB's claim is I'm a shit disturber and like he isn't. You do the same thing to a certain extent.


You are the worst shit disturber ANYWHERE Greg. You came over to start shit at PQ, and you did, then you left like the little pussy you are.

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#201431 - 02/17/12 07:51 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: cbal-craig]
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Originally Posted By: craig

Thank you so much everyone I could not be happier.


That didn't last long. LMAO

Originally Posted By: cbal-craig
You are the worst shit disturber ANYWHERE Greg. You came over to start shit at PQ, and you did, then you left like the little pussy you are.


ANYWHERE?
Do I win a prize?

Well, looks like I've really done a number on you and JB. Such a shame.

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#201434 - 02/18/12 08:46 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Greg. Let it be.


Seems like others are interested in knowing the truth also, 748 views of this thread in three days. That is 249.3 views per day. In case you're wondering who the .3 is, that would be JB.

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#201435 - 02/18/12 09:52 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: craig

Thank you so much everyone I could not be happier.


That didn't last long. LMAO

Originally Posted By: cbal-craig
You are the worst shit disturber ANYWHERE Greg. You came over to start shit at PQ, and you did, then you left like the little pussy you are.


ANYWHERE?
Do I win a prize?

Well, looks like I've really done a number on you and JB. Such a shame.



LOL .......you are an incorrigible and not in a good way.

"Thank you so much everyone I could not be happier."
I was not thanking you Greg that quote did not even come from this site.


Edited by cbal-craig (02/18/12 09:54 AM)

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#201436 - 02/18/12 10:58 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: cbal-craig]
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"Thank you so much everyone I could not be happier."
I was not thanking you Greg that quote did not even come from this site.


I know silly boy, but for a guy who "could not be happier" if this is you happy I pity those around you when you're not happy.

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#201437 - 02/18/12 12:22 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Greg. Let it be.


Seems like others are interested in knowing the truth also,

The truth is that it all happened 6 years ago. The truth is that if NM had continued in the way it was going it was 6 years ago, it would be history. Let it be.

(ppl are viewing this thread because they enjoy viewing a train wreck, not because they want to know what caused it.)
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#201438 - 02/18/12 01:50 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Originally Posted By: flicka
Greg. Let it be.


Seems like others are interested in knowing the truth also,

The truth is that it all happened 6 years ago. The truth is that if NM had continued in the way it was going it was 6 years ago, it would be history. Let it be.

(ppl are viewing this thread because they enjoy viewing a train wreck, not because they want to know what caused it.)


Well I'd like to know if my perspective is correct and the more it gets talked about the closer we all get to the truth.

And for you to just keep saying over and over again to not discuss just adds to the suspicous nature of your involvement and agenda.

For you to extrapolate that NM would be history based on a few months of NM realigning itself is idle speculation, especially based on the continuing evolutionary forces under which NM exists.

train wreck? give me a break


Edited by Greg (02/18/12 01:53 PM)

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#201439 - 02/18/12 02:16 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Greg, your view of what happened to NM 6 years ago is pure revisionist history. This site was on a pathway to self-destruction long before Susan or Jeff intervened, and the cause was feuds that began to move off the board into people's real lives and the uncontrolled use of multiple aliases to attack others.

Susan's suggestions for changes and her self-reported discussions with Jeff were merely one final straw, and people began a mass exodus in disgust. If PQ had never existed many may have gone to CC, WCJ, or just scattered to who knows where, but NM was doomed regardless.

PQ had been around for a while before the NM implosion but was fairly inactive. Mainly because Steve had been an active NM member for many years and was well known, a number of us began posting there.

The reason we left was to escape the turmoil that NM had become. Your implication that PQ was created as a part of some conspiricy to destroy NM is pure fantasy.

Sadly for NM, the people who left were some of the most prolific posters here and, for the most part, this site has been pretty inactive ever since. Look at this thread as an example - the only reason it's even alive is because of responses from several of us that you scorn as "PQ people".

I think it's pathetic and highly antisocial that you take pleasure in spreading controversy and find it a relaxing hobby. You have become nothing more than a troll, and it is getting very old and tiresome.


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#201440 - 02/18/12 02:49 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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The reason we left was to escape the turmoil that NM had become. Your implication that PQ was created as a part of some conspiricy to destroy NM is pure fantasy.


Try reading what I said, instead of what your interpretation is.

Fact is I was an early joiner of PQ while still active at NM.

I never said it was created as part of a conspiracy as I remember well Steve's wording (at PQ) for his rationale for starting PQ (it was a project). That is the reason I signed up as it sounded like a good and interesting concept.

There was rowdy atmosphere at NM and it was getting nasty (I received my share)

The "leaving" for some was to escape the nastiness but for most of the prolific posting regulars they got their noses out of joint before and after the big Jeff conference. They went all suckie due to Susan's involement and themselves being "left out" of the NM new rules setup.

PQ was there and they seized on the opportunity and "take their business elsewhere". Christ some even tried to engineer a boycot of NM.

Your conjecture of "pathway to self-destruction" is just that, conjecture. NM is still here despite the unfaithful spouses still coming by for a bootie call because their new PQ is not and never will be the place NM was.

So join your other small minded friends and keep calling me all the names you want. Just remember I dealt with Wabi, Dan has been brought to heel and I'm still here supporting NM!

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#201442 - 02/18/12 03:34 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: craig

Thank you so much everyone I could not be happier.


That didn't last long. LMAO

Originally Posted By: cbal-craig
You are the worst shit disturber ANYWHERE Greg. You came over to start shit at PQ, and you did, then you left like the little pussy you are.


ANYWHERE?
Do I win a prize?

Well, looks like I've really done a number on you and JB. Such a shame.


YOU'VE DONE NOTHING TO ME... i'm out enjoying life. mardi gra kicked off last night... dinner and a parade then some downtown fun.
you should try having a social life.
eta parade and dinner tonight been down by lake mos the day with friends
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#201443 - 02/18/12 03:43 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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YOU'VE DONE NOTHING TO ME


Enough though that you feel compelled to respond.

What is this?


LMAO

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#201444 - 02/18/12 03:52 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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i'm in a lull right now...between activities. figured i keep your lonely ass company for a bit since you live for this childish crap and have nothing else to do:)
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#201445 - 02/18/12 03:53 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Greg, many of us "dealt" with Wabi and a whole bunch of others for many years before you ever showed up here. And Dan wasn't "brought to heel" by anyone - you're conveniently forgetting that he made the choice to remove himself from NM.

As far as why people left NM all those years ago, all I can testify to is my own reasons although many others have given very similar perspectives. I really don't see much support for your view of events since you seem concvinced some conspiracy was involved.

I am glad that you and Ronda constantly mention PQ in your posts here, though. It's the best advertising we could get.
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#201446 - 02/18/12 03:58 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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here here. well said, ghoti. you enjoying your warm weather up there... strawberries and everything are weeks ahead here... mm mmm fresh strawberries been ripe for bout 3 weeks or more now
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#201447 - 02/18/12 04:05 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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to ghoti.
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#201448 - 02/18/12 04:12 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Well I'd like to know if my perspective is correct and the more it gets talked about the closer we all get to the truth.

Yet, you refuse to accept that truth. Why?
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#201449 - 02/18/12 04:13 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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I like it when the crip clique feel compelled to join forces, it speaks to their weakness as indivduals. Sad how disability does that to some.

they won't debate at PQ but have no problem attacking me here

you do realize this all just strengthens my resolve LOL


Edited by Greg (02/18/12 04:17 PM)

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#201450 - 02/18/12 04:16 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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JB, it's been an amazingly mild winter here so far. January averaged about 6 degrees above normal and it's been in the mid to upper 30's through most of this month. We've only got about a foot or so of snow on the ground where we would normally have at least 3-4 feet.

That Florida weather is awful tempting, though. We're thinking about coming down there next year for a while to see some of the spring training games since my wife is also a baseball fan.
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#201451 - 02/18/12 04:19 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Sad how disability does that to some.

Even worse is how some flaunt their disability for attention...
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#201453 - 02/18/12 04:22 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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you do realize this all just strengthens my resolve LOL

Let's just call it attention seeking instead of resolve.
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#201455 - 02/18/12 04:23 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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you see things that just dont exsist, no clique here. just because several people agree on one thing doesnt make a clique. you just make up your own versions and think you know what and why ppl do what they do.
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#201456 - 02/18/12 04:23 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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you see things that just dont exsist, no clique here. just because several people agree on one thing doesnt make a clique. you just make up your own versions and think you know what and why ppl do what they do.
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#201457 - 02/18/12 04:24 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I like it when the crip clique feel compelled to join forces, it speaks to their weakness as indivduals. Sad how disability does that to some.

they won't debate at PQ but have no problem attacking me here

you do realize this all just strengthens my resolve LOL


Once again you see conspiracy where none exists. When many others happen to see things one way and you alone disagree, doesn't it simply suggest you're wrong?

As far as debating you at PQ goes, why bother when all you do is go there to throw bombs?

ETA: I see JB and Flicka posted similar things while I was writing the above. I guess that's proof of conspiracy, at least if you're sufficiently paranoid.


Edited by ghoti (02/18/12 04:28 PM)
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#201459 - 02/18/12 04:26 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Well I'd like to know if my perspective is correct and the more it gets talked about the closer we all get to the truth.

Yet, you refuse to accept that truth. Why?


I don't accept your version of the truth, the motivating factor for most leaving NM to join PQ was not because of aliases or nastiness it was a co-ordinated protest and reballion against NM

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#201460 - 02/18/12 04:28 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
As far as debating you at PQ goes, why bother when all you do is go there to throw bombs?


Bullshit, you're just scared of being called out by Steve.

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#201461 - 02/18/12 04:30 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
As far as debating you at PQ goes, why bother when all you do is go there to throw bombs?


Bullshit, you're just scared of being called out by Steve.


LOLOL!!!
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#201462 - 02/18/12 04:32 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
Sad how disability does that to some.

Even worse is how some flaunt their disability for attention...


You're right about that, I know more of your medical history than I care to.

Bingo on Flicka, she's pulling out the nasty stick.

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#201463 - 02/18/12 04:33 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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for sure ghoti and flicka and i have our differences, but we handle them like adults, usually lol
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#201464 - 02/18/12 04:35 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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[quote=Greg] Sad how disability does that to some.



You're right about that, I know more of your medical history than I care to.

Bingo on Flicka, she's pulling out the nasty stick.


greg just dont get it we come here share/help he comes here to play = troll
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#201465 - 02/18/12 04:36 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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for sure ghoti and flicka and i have our differences, but we handle them like adults, usually lol


You call the way you live your life "being an adult"? LMAO

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#201466 - 02/18/12 04:40 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Adults recognize that we all have areas of agreement and disagreement, and if you want to live in harmony you don't go around poking sticks into hornets' nests. Too bad you've never learned that, Greg.
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#201467 - 02/18/12 04:45 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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You're right about that, I know more of your medical history than I care to.

If so, you don't even belong on this type of messageboard as health issues is WHAT brings us together.
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#201468 - 02/18/12 04:52 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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for sure ghoti and flicka and i have our differences, but we handle them like adults, usually lol


You call the way you live your life "being an adult"? LMAO


i sure do! i pay my bills(mortgage, utilities etc) my vans payed off cc's payed off blah blah blah. i have great family/friends and thing to do.
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#201470 - 02/18/12 04:53 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
You're right about that, I know more of your medical history than I care to.

If so, you don't even belong on this type of messageboard as health issues is WHAT brings us together.


Oh I get it, when you discuss YOUR disability you are bringing us together.

But when I discuss my disability I am flaunting it.

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#201471 - 02/18/12 04:55 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: Greg
You're right about that, I know more of your medical history than I care to.

If so, you don't even belong on this type of messageboard as health issues is WHAT brings us together.


i guess he missed the part about this being a suport group
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#201472 - 02/18/12 04:56 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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i sure do! i pay my bills(mortgage, utilities etc) my vans payed off cc's payed off blah blah blah. i have great family/friends and thing to do.


Yea, you're a real poster boy for someone who has taken adversity and made something of themself.

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#201473 - 02/18/12 05:01 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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bitter much. people are trying to get me to run for city commissioner in 2014 about 40,000 peeps in this town... i just might do it
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#201475 - 02/18/12 05:07 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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bitter much. people are trying to get me to run for city commissioner in 2014 about 40,000 peeps in this town... i just might do it


LMAO

always a hoot the "great ideas" that are proposed at the local dive.

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#201476 - 02/18/12 05:10 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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lol we werent at a bar we werent even drinking, but believe what you want, you do anyway and are never wrong.... you're a legend in your own mind...
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#201477 - 02/18/12 05:10 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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Greg, what really matters is finding some happiness in life and trying your best to help others do the same. Accomplishments mean nothing if you that isn't part of it.

The old NM had lots of active threads where that was going on, in spite of the fighting. If you look at most of the other thread topics here these days you'll see very little activity, and that's sad. The fighting is about all that's left.

PQ may not be as active as the old NM was, but at least the vast majority of the posts there are positive and supportive ones.
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#201478 - 02/18/12 05:13 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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What really matter Ghoti is the students, not the union!!!
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#201479 - 02/18/12 05:22 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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What really matter Ghoti is the students, not the union!!!



Yep, and I had to remind the school board that the students came first many times in the process of negotiations. We had some school board members who thought having great sports teams was the primary function of a school.

We often accepted lower salaries so the district could put more into program development.
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#201483 - 02/19/12 09:03 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: ghoti]
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My theory of why some left NM is wrong eh? People don't go all suckie when NM management doesn't bend to their will eh? Lets review PD's final post at NM.

Originally Posted By: ParaDude
Well, I disagree Emma.

Not surprising though as NM has rarely heeded the advice/wisdoms of the participants on this board.

My question to you (to quote Dr.Phil); If you and management are so wise and know what is best, why has this board died?

I say its because you've refused to LISTEN.

I'm signing off for good now, I'll stop the CPR and let this entity die with dignity.

Cya!


The fuckin arrogance to try and dictate to the owners of the board. This is the same type of crap that was put forward before. PQ gave people somewhere to run to. The problem is when you bailed for PQ you were not able to take the essecence of what made NM hum. Which at least is poetic justice.

You guys say you left because of the nastiness at NM but have no problem coming back here to hurl insults at me. Bunch of fuckin hypocrites.

Flicka claims NM is history.
1246 views of this one thread in four days.
Lots of people with their nose pressed up against the glass of which of which PD probably accounts for 200 of em.
It is laughable, how PD has now become one of those lukers he used to enjoy mocking.

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#201484 - 02/19/12 11:30 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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If you would stop attacking everyone that is posting to you things would change. Until then nothing will change.

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#201486 - 02/19/12 11:38 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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#201488 - 02/19/12 12:36 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: soda]
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i never left. i remember a certain some one leavving here a bunch of times usually whining, but like usual he would come back..
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#201489 - 02/19/12 02:16 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
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I make a case based on sound reasoning and I am told it did not happen, it is pure conjecture, fantasy and you accuse me of being basically dillusional.

I show you proof and none of you opinionated experts says a word. And you wonder why I take joy in bitch slapping you?

All there is, is a dimwitted response from JB.

Oh and by the way JB you never offered anything regarding me bad mouthing 4-wheeler, when you claimed I "bad mouthed EVERYONE". Proving once again how full of shit you are.

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#201490 - 02/19/12 02:37 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
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I'M DOING LIKE, YOU RESPONDNG TO PARTS OF THE POSTS i CHOSE... THE REST I IGNORE... LIKE YOU. ESPECIALLY QUESTIONS
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#201491 - 02/19/12 04:25 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
Johnboy 64
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poor lil greggie the social misfit so he starts bs threads.
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#201492 - 02/19/12 05:03 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Johnboy 64]
Greg
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Originally Posted By: Johnboy 64
poor lil greggie the social misfit so he starts bs threads.



what are you talking about now?


oh, I get it now, my bread post at pq

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#201493 - 02/19/12 06:05 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: Greg
I make a case based on sound reasoning and I am told it did not happen, it is pure conjecture, fantasy and you accuse me of being basically dillusional.

When I tell you I did not advocate for ppl to leave NM for PQ you act as if it isn't true. Yet, you are unable to come up with one example of it.
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I show you proof and none of you opinionated experts says a word. And you wonder why I take joy in bitch slapping you?

What was this "proof" supposed to prove again?
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#201524 - 02/24/12 04:14 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: flicka]
Greg
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Hey, this could be like the NM to PQ migration but in reverse.
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#201528 - 02/24/12 05:00 PM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: Greg]
soda
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greg were you ever diagnosed as having asperger's syndrome?
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#201581 - 02/27/12 09:54 AM Re: Where would NM be today if [Re: soda]
Greg
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Originally Posted By: soda
greg were you ever diagnosed as having asperger's syndrome?


No Rob, I haven't but I can understand how you might think that given the connection between Asperger's syndrome and those with Savant skills.

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