#201236 - 02/04/12 06:53 AM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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corlorde
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I don't have a clue there. And I'm not on anyone's journey but my own. We all can find our own sins described in the Bible...whatever we know them to be or find them to be. I'm not pointing out your sin. I've got enough of my own.
Thanks for taking the time to explain where you are coming from, I enjoyed your posts.
Corey
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#201239 - 02/04/12 02:31 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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Thanks, Corey, I appreciate that.
Ghoti, or anyone else, I still don't understand how you can say that you feel Paul was being put before Jesus from my post. I just tried to google what might speak of that and came up with this site, for example:
http://www.lesfeldick.org/index.html
It is misleading ...much so.
Paul always called himself a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Christian service is only acceptable to God when done in the spirit of Christ, for His glory. I guess if you don't believe Jesus to be anything more than another mere man, then everyone written of thru-out history in the Bible is just that...mere men? If so, then why make argument that one mere man is being followed more so than another? Because you like one more so than another?
Paul says, I judge not mine own self (I Cor. 4:3). Why? For me, it's because it's hard to judge yourself. And he knows he, himself, is lower than Jesus...he Knows that the one judgment to which he will submit...the One he can always count on to be right. That's the Lord.
Paul says he is ultimately responsible to Christ. That he is Christ's stewart.
You follow some internet site and ya get the wrong stuff.
You follow a recipe on the internet (for a batch of cookies) and it may be good and it may contain the same ingredients as that recipe you lost in your favorite cookbook (your tried and true)...but, then again, you may turn out a whopper of a bad batch of cookies from another site on the internet for the same batch of cookies you want to make.
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#201240 - 02/04/12 02:35 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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Jesus was a Godly man.
Paul was a good man but not a Godly man.
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#201253 - 02/05/12 11:50 AM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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Paulwa_dup1
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I see the Apostle Paul as a very Godly man who expanded Jesus gospel because it was additionally aimed to the gentiles who don't follow the Jewish religion. He was taken to heaven and gained extra knowledge that the other Apostles did not have precisely and also heard and saw things he could not utter to any other msn.
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#201254 - 02/05/12 01:21 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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Paul was not the Son of God.
Jesus is God.
Paul is not God.
For the last time, argument for following Jesus when you believe Jesus to be just a man......is beyond my understanding. Beyond it ...if you cannot glorify him or raise him to be what he IS then what man has power over another man to pass judgement and say "we should follow him"...we should exemplify him....it's kaos. It just divides people..because of our egos. You think that religions are the cause of war and I don't. I think this is what causes kaos. Don't consider how things are now. Consider how they must have been way back when. They needed 'something'. Something or someone.
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#201256 - 02/05/12 03:25 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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Paulwa_dup1
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I think being Godly is pointing people to Jesus for salvation first and living a Godly life. In that sense all who follow Jesus is Godly. My opinion. Actually Jesus gave us the way to live a Godly life if we follow Him.
There is no doubt Jesus was more Godly than Paul, or anyone else too.
Paul
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#201288 - 02/09/12 06:25 AM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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We are in total agreement on this, Paulwa. There are those we can and do follow as examples of Godly living. We can find them in the Bible. We can find them on the street.
Of all, Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son.
And (((in the Bible))) the one who denies he is the Christ, the promised Messiah, is a liar.
Anyone today, who denies he is the Christ ...well, I guess I have to say, does not believe the Bible. If they don't believe the Bible, then why do they bother themselves with thoughts of heaven or hell?
I BELIEVE (and always have, here) that anyone who makes argument that Jesus is the way to go for an example of how to live life: love thy neighbor as thyself....
and, maybe they believe it to be as simple as that.......
I DO believe that they are saying that they HOLD Jesus to be the Most high..the most Godly, the One.
Do you or anyone else agree?
If he isn't the One, the Son of God, ...His only ((((begotten)))) Son...then maybe there is someone else, maybe there is someone else yet to be born...maybe there is someone you or I haven't met yet that makes More sense (common sense) to follow. Has it ever happened? No
Is it going to happen? no
So, what does it boil down to...love.
Who gave us love? God...if He didn't give us love then how could we all possibly agree that love thy neighbor as thyself is the way to go?
If we agree that is true, then how is it possible that agreement has been made?...because of God. God so loved us that he gave US love. And the cross is the one way that God had of showing us (He was saying: come on...beLIEVE! Believe I love you.) his love --->HIS love.
Christ ((did not die)) to MAKE GOD LOVE MAN.
He died because God had loved man always with an everlasting love. For God so loved. Our salvation does not depend upon what we are, but upon what God is, AND GOD IS LOVE.
love is alive...
GOD LIVES
always will
Edited by ævory (02/09/12 06:35 AM)
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#201307 - 02/11/12 12:47 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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The first recorded alter ego...
Why did you post this? Is it something you believe?
I don't see what you were trying to say, Flicka.
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#201310 - 02/12/12 01:22 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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Living a double life is living two lives at once. The change that one man Saul made in becoming Paul was a conversion. Not to be dismissed as just an alter ego thing. It was amazing and real, not a psychological-evaluation moment in time. My opinion.
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#201316 - 02/12/12 05:25 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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Paulwa_dup1
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Right Ronda, Paul was baptised in the Holy Spirit and took up Jesus cross to bear and preach the gospel of salvation of Jesus Christ. It was not an alter ego..it was the old man dying spiritually and taking on a new life and spirit as an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
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#201571 - 02/26/12 10:20 AM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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BufGimp
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Ghoti,
If you believe that the Bible is inspired of God then even though Paul was the writer of Romans it is God's word not Paul's.
Besides it is the act of homosexuality that is hated NOT the person. Because as you clearly quoted the Bible (which is God's word) does condemns the act.
Bufgimp 
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#201575 - 02/26/12 04:39 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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Paulwa_dup1
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All sin is an abomination to God according to His word. Homosexuality I doubt is any worse than any other sin. I can't understand why people so down on gay people don't rant as much about murderers and such.
Paul
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#201667 - 03/02/12 11:54 AM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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cbal-craig
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Ghoti, If you believe that the Bible is inspired of God then even though Paul was the writer of Romans it is God's word not Paul's. Besides it is the act of homosexuality that is hated NOT the person. Because as you clearly quoted the Bible (which is God's word) does condemns the act. Bufgimp
The Bible is a history book nothing more Mr. troll.
Edited by cbal-craig (03/02/12 11:55 AM)
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#201673 - 03/02/12 02:27 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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BufGimp
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Ghoti, If you believe that the Bible is inspired of God then even though Paul was the writer of Romans it is God's word not Paul's. Besides it is the act of homosexuality that is hated NOT the person. Because as you clearly quoted the Bible (which is God's word) does condemns the act. Bufgimp The Bible is a history book nothing more Mr. troll.
The Bible is a book of prophey which proves its claim of divine authorship. Consider just one of many prophecies that were written before it happened and yet came true.
God foretold that Babylon woul suffer permanent destruction. (Jeremiah 51:24-26) The disapperance of Babylon as a distinct national group testifies to the accuracy of God's prophetic Word.
Of course, one might argue that anyone can predict that a nation, however mighty, will eventually pass out of existence.
But that argument ignores the vital fact that the Bible went futther. For example, it provided details as to just how Babylon would be overthrown. The Bible fortold that the city would be conquered by the Medes, that the invading soldiers would be under the leadership of Cyrus, and that the city's defensive rivers would be dried up. (Isaiah 13:17-19; 44:27-45:1)
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#201676 - 03/02/12 04:19 PM
Re: Absolutely Amazing
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ævory
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I'll bet Obama could predict that the island he was born on off the coast of Hawaii would pass out of existence. It is now galaxies under the ocean.
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