#201210 - 02/03/12 04:50 AM
Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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emilyray
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Last night my friend and headed to Kmart to do some shopping. We were stopped by an off duty policeman working security for Kmart because I have a service dog. We tried to explain to him that Chestnut is a service dog and is entitled to go with me most anywhere. He kept on insisting that the store policy was "No Dogs Allowed" I requested to speak to the manager and he refused to call them. He then grabbed me by the arm and tried to drag me out of the store. At this, my friend tried to come to my aid and he turned, hit her in the face, slammed her to the ground, and repeatedly punched her face and body as I watched in horror. Once she was placed in handcuffs he called for support on his radio. When the police arrived I was placed into the back seat of a patrol car while my friend was placed into another one. The off duty officer wanted me to be arrested for disturbing the peace and my friend to be charged with assault. The arresting officers didn't agree and I was released. My friend however was arrested and charged with assault 4th degree and is now in jail under a suicide watch.
We are both decorated disabled veterans and we just wanted to do some shopping. I have been a regular shopper of this Kmart for the last 7 months and have never had any problems with bringing my service dog into the store. I would think that a policeman would be at least a little bit informed about ADA laws and service dog access.
Please cross post this if you think it necessary
Emily
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#201214 - 02/03/12 08:19 AM
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Greg
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Have you gone public? Is there any media coverage you can link to so we can better understand both sides of the story? Have you retained legal counsel yet?
"Please cross post this if you think it necessary." Where?
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#201215 - 02/03/12 08:54 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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We are both decorated disabled veterans and we just wanted to do some shopping.
There, I fixed it as to stay on topic without unnecessary fluff and emoting.
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#201217 - 02/03/12 10:02 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Skylark
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Last night my friend and headed to Kmart to do some shopping. We were stopped by an off duty policeman working security for Kmart because I have a service dog. We tried to explain to him that Chestnut is a service dog and is entitled to go with me most anywhere. He kept on insisting that the store policy was "No Dogs Allowed" I requested to speak to the manager and he refused to call them. He then grabbed me by the arm and tried to drag me out of the store. At this, my friend tried to come to my aid and he turned, hit her in the face, slammed her to the ground, and repeatedly punched her face and body as I watched in horror. Once she was placed in handcuffs he called for support on his radio. When the police arrived I was placed into the back seat of a patrol car while my friend was placed into another one. The off duty officer wanted me to be arrested for disturbing the peace and my friend to be charged with assault. The arresting officers didn't agree and I was released. My friend however was arrested and charged with assault 4th degree and is now in jail under a suicide watch.
We are both decorated disabled veterans and we just wanted to do some shopping. I have been a regular shopper of this Kmart for the last 7 months and have never had any problems with bringing my service dog into the store. I would think that a policeman would be at least a little bit informed about ADA laws and service dog access.
Please cross post this if you think it necessary
Emily
Very dramatic occurrence, emilyray ...
You don't tell us what happened to Chestnut during all of this; did the dog cringe and cower? Did the dog attempt to defend and protect? What happened to Chestnut through all of this?
But there are two sides to every story.
Before I'd make any comment on your "brutal" dismissal from K-mart, a statement from security on YOUR behavior would be in order. And the "assault" descriptions are a little confusing: who hit whom? If your friend was arrested, then perhaps it was your friend who hit the security guard - ?
Just a little sidebar, here: Whenever my husband and I go to Walmart, our little terrier mix Bella Rose (aka "honey badger"), accompanies him -- with just a leash and no "cloak" to designate her as an official service dog, because she isn't. She plays the part very well, however, and stays at his side, perfectly behaved. The Walmart greeter and security dude just smile and say "Have a nice day."
I'm just saying...
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#201222 - 02/03/12 12:17 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Bella Rose (aka "honey badger
lmao !
The arresting officers didn't agree and I was released. My friend however was arrested and charged with assault 4th degree and is now in jail under a suicide watch.
Lawyer up and do not post 'your side of the story' on any more message boards until you get this sorted out.
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#201224 - 02/03/12 12:52 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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#201225 - 02/03/12 04:09 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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found this on a dog lovers site:
My name is Emily Ray Frisbie. My dogs name Chestnut is my registered Psyc Service Dog. I live in Minneapolis about a block away from a KMart. I have been going to this store for 7 months and have never had an issue with the staff or management regarding my dog and I shopping together. Tonight though was different!
The incident started when an off duty police officer wouldn't allow us into the store. He told me that Kmart policy is no dog allowed. I asked to speak to the manager and he refused to get them and instead tried to drag me out of the store physically assaulting me. When my friend tried to come to my aid he punched her in the face and slammed her into the floor and repeatedly punched her. He placed her under arrest and charged her with assualt and wanted to charge me with disturbing the peace. On duty police arrived and they placed me and my service dog into the back of a patrol car. I explained to the on duty officer that Chestnut is a registered Service Dog and that it was against the ADA to ask me to leave. He looked up her registration and Chestnut and I were eventually released. My friend who tried to come to my defence was held on misdemeaner assault and booked into county Jail.
I was completely within my rights to be in that store and this officer who was not on duty and was only an employee of Kmart assaulted me first and then my friend.
Feel free to cross post this onto any forum you think it would be appropriate.
Emily
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#201228 - 02/03/12 05:05 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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from wikipedia:
Social Issues with Accessibility
People with psychiatric service dogs are often faced with several problems that other service dog handlers typically do not experience. While guide dogs for the blind and hearing-impaired and helper dogs for people who use wheelchairs are well-known to the public, dogs for psychiatric conditions are not. Further adding to this issue is that many people with psychiatric conditions do not appear to have anything externally wrong with them, and because of the heavy social stigma of mental illness, the handler may be reluctant to explain their condition or the dog's trained tasks even in the vaguest of terms. In addition, the dogs can be any size (even toy breeds) depending on their trained task, yet there is a common public misconception that all service dogs are medium or large breeds. Any of these issues can lead to other people inappropriately impugning the dog's status or pressing the handler to divulge medical information about themselves.
This places the handler in a difficult position, where they may feel pressured to reveal their condition and face inappropriate stigma and scrutiny. Or they may opt to not identify their dog as a service animal in the first place and forfeit accessibility, instead treating the dog as though it were a normal pet when in public.
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#201233 - 02/03/12 09:38 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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kimberleyb
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registered WHERE? There is no registry for service animals.
I don't believe you. At all.
Do you have any clue where you are and who you are posting to?
Sorry. Well not sorry actually. 
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#201237 - 02/04/12 09:06 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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yea, the person doesn't have an SCI or isn't in a chair so get lost
no ADA requirement for registering service animals but there are voluntary associations.
legal link http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusassistanceanimal.htm
you don't believe "at all" someone posting their plight on a messageboard? unbelievable!!!! 
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#201238 - 02/04/12 09:40 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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Go get em Emily:
"Let's see. On the bad news side my friend is being held for 36 hours and being charged with assault 4th degree.
I have submitted the story to CNN, FoxNEWS and MSNBC.
I have sent emails to both my city councilperson and the mayor of Minneapolis.
I have started the proccess of getting an attorney.
I have contacted Out Front Minnesota our local LGBT legal defense group.
Planning on contacting other trans orginizations in the Twin Cities tomorrow like TYSN and the Transgender Health Coalition.
Tomorrow I will be contacting the Local Newspapers and disablility advocacy groups.
Thank you all for your prayers and support. I am affraid to close my eyes because I will only see her bloody face and the cop beating on her so I will not rest until she is free.
Huggs
Emily"
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#201241 - 02/04/12 03:14 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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#201242 - 02/04/12 04:00 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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registered WHERE? There is no registry for service animals.
Really? I just googled service dog registry and came up with several results. Are these sites bogus?
This is one of them: http://www.usservicedogregistry.org/
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#201243 - 02/04/12 04:02 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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wrong saga...
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#201244 - 02/04/12 04:55 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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registered WHERE? There is no registry for service animals. Really? I just googled service dog registry and came up with several results. Are these sites bogus? This is one of them: http://www.usservicedogregistry.org/
From what I'm reading, not bogus, just not officialy sanctioned and recognized. "Proof" is based more on demonstrating a need and showing validation of training. The law does not seem well defined. Add in the need issue (Emily has PTSD and the dog is to help out with that) and the whole transgender thing, an off duty cop moonlighting as a store security guard and the situation was primed.
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#201249 - 02/04/12 05:56 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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corlorde
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I'd like to hear the Cop's point of view.
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#201263 - 02/06/12 10:33 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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yea, the person doesn't have an SCI or isn't in a chair so get lost no ADA requirement for registering service animals but there are voluntary associations. legal link http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusassistanceanimal.htmyou don't believe "at all" someone posting their plight on a messageboard? unbelievable!!!!
I think any body disabled should come here and PQ so we can inform each other. I have learned a lot about lives in general of other disabled folks.
Greg I don't remember what your dis is as I recall it was head injury ? What ever, I don't need to know but it might help me understand you a little.
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#201268 - 02/06/12 11:25 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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I have a brain cloud that resulted due to me shattering my baculum
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#201278 - 02/07/12 03:55 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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I have a brain cloud that resulted due to me shattering my baculum
I knew you werent human lol ohh that's right you're the superhuman with super powers or maybe not...
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#201279 - 02/08/12 01:11 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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4wheeler
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[quote=Skylark] Lawyer up and do not post 'your side of the story' on any more message boards until you get this sorted out.
If her story is true I agree.
I don't think we here will find out though if there is outcome of it.
I have thought about training my dogs to be service dogs but since I don't just have one I will just let them be dogs.
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#201421 - 02/17/12 01:13 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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You can choose to join a club and list your animal, why anyone would want to is beyond me, unless they get discounts on things, but there is no requirement at any level to register a service animal.
There are a number of groups who are trying to become the only ones who can certify service animals and I as well as many other advocates are against that since the requirements are as individual as the person and it adds costs we don't need.
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#201424 - 02/17/12 03:10 PM
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You can choose to join a club and list your animal, why anyone would want to is beyond me, unless they get discounts on things, but there is no requirement at any level to register a service animal.
There are a number of groups who are trying to become the only ones who can certify service animals and I as well as many other advocates are against that since the requirements are as individual as the person and it adds costs we don't need.
Yet with a registered one, you could just whip out your registration card if someone had a problem with it. Like in the topic here. Yet that wont stop some a-hole from being like he was in this case.. true or false story.
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#201425 - 02/17/12 03:17 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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but what are the requirements to be a 'service' animal. i mean ppl claiim chihuahuas to be service animals.
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#201426 - 02/17/12 03:17 PM
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Johnboy 64
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but what are the requirements to be a 'service' animal. i mean ppl claiim chihuahuas to be service animals.
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#201427 - 02/17/12 04:21 PM
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brutalyhonestly
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I'm guessing the ones that have been training by a certified trainer i this case. Anyone can train a dog to do a few tricks. So would have to of met some guidelines. Would love to see a chihuahuas service dog. lol
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#201432 - 02/18/12 07:34 AM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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kimberleyb
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If the chihuahua performs a service that mitigates an aspect of your disability then it qualifies. Like picking something up that you've dropped or alerting you to an oncoming seizure etc.
The minimum standards are canine good citizenship - basically puppy training, obedience etc
And then the training to help you - Ivan pulled my chair and opened doors. I trained him myself with a hired dog trainer.
The only requirement of proof is credible assurance - but if your service animal is unruly or uncontrollable/uncontrolled, you CAN be asked to leave
Its not a free pass to bring an untrained animal anywhere you like and exactly it wont stop people who have no real need and are just screwing the system - at our expense.
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#201494 - 02/19/12 06:20 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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thanks kim
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#201497 - 02/21/12 04:35 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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brutalyhonestly
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So whats the deal with monkey training? Really dont hear to much about them anymore. At least not like you use to. Maybe to many people seen that movie Monkey Shines?
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#201499 - 02/22/12 09:04 PM
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So whats the deal with monkey training?
They gave up after watching rants from Greg, and realized it would never pan out.
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#201503 - 02/23/12 12:46 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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BH, MONKEY SHINES came out just as i got out of rehab 1988... kind of freaked me out.
lol storm
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#201505 - 02/23/12 01:02 PM
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Greg
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So whats the deal with monkey training? They gave up after watching rants from Greg, and realized it would never pan out.
you're pathetic, your last post here was Jan 2011
well, I gueess there will always be some dimwits who find you amusing
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#201507 - 02/23/12 02:28 PM
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So whats the deal with monkey training? They gave up after watching rants from Greg, and realized it would never pan out.
Hey dude where ya been? Good to see you
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#201508 - 02/23/12 02:46 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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So whats the deal with monkey training? They gave up after watching rants from Greg, and realized it would never pan out. you're pathetic, your last post here was Jan 2011 well, I gueess there will always be some dimwits who find you amusing
Is this the type of reception after being gone so long you would want? Is that not what you have based all your complaining about!??
You are doing the same thing right now so stop it damn it and grow up. Storm is nothing but nice and YOU are the dimwit Greg.
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#201509 - 02/23/12 02:56 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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cbal-craig
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BH, MONKEY SHINES came out just as i got out of rehab 1988... kind of freaked me out.
lol storm
LMAO that freaked me out too John....he would jump on my foot and the spasm would send him flying up against the wall across the room...
I don't think I want a small critter jumping all over me.
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#201510 - 02/23/12 03:02 PM
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Greg
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Storm is nothing but nice and YOU are the dimwit Greg.
[censored] you low life, go read stormeys past posts, it shows up here to take shots at myself and others
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#201512 - 02/23/12 03:59 PM
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Johnboy 64
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BH, MONKEY SHINES came out just as i got out of rehab 1988... kind of freaked me out.
lol storm LMAO that freaked me out too John....he would jump on my foot and the spasm would send him flying up against the wall across the room... I don't think I want a small critter jumping all over me.
I THINK THE MONKEYS NAME WAS ELLA... OHH I SPASM ALL OVER.
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#201513 - 02/23/12 06:31 PM
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*monkey's name
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#201514 - 02/23/12 11:03 PM
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you're pathetic, your last post here was Jan 2011 
So, time flies, it's puzzling that you had to look and see.
Think you could hold off for a year?
Hey dude where ya been? Good to see you
Thanks, Craig good to see you too. Been in the same place (FL) and I've finally succeeded in earning the hatred of parents and the media worldwide.
Hope things have been well with you.
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#201515 - 02/24/12 10:27 AM
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Greg
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I've finally succeeded in earning the hatred of parents
Oh god, another one with mommy/daddy issues. Does your mother also tuck you into bed?
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#201516 - 02/24/12 01:42 PM
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Storm is nothing but nice and YOU are the dimwit Greg. [censored] you low life, go read stormeys past posts, it shows up here to take shots at myself and others
You get what you give you pussy low life.
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#201517 - 02/24/12 02:34 PM
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Greg
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You get what you give you pussy low life.
Originally posted by craig
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Greg, do not use my name in your posts fuckwad..[:-zguy45]
make up your flipping mind will ya
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#201518 - 02/24/12 02:55 PM
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Oh god, another one with mommy/daddy issues. Does your mother also tuck you into bed?
No, you are having vivid dreams of your upbringing. What an 
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#201535 - 02/24/12 05:59 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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storm, dont let him get to you... his wife left him and kids dont speak to him.. his words not mine. i'd b bitter t oo
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#201537 - 02/24/12 06:13 PM
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soda
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you're just as bad, jb! no more pq because of you two AssWipes!
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#201538 - 02/24/12 06:20 PM
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He'd never be able to, JB. Have a good weekend, I'm headed down towards the 500.
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#201539 - 02/24/12 06:21 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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storm, dont let him get to you... his wife left him and kids dont speak to him.. his words not mine. i'd b bitter t oo
Peaches, you asked me why, this type of comment is why.
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#201544 - 02/24/12 07:08 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Johnboy 64
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you're just as bad, jb! no more pq because of you two AssWipes!
i accept my responsibility. i should hve known better, he baited me on my blood pressure thread.
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#201548 - 02/24/12 07:15 PM
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Johnboy 64
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and rob, dont play mr innocent either...;)
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#201550 - 02/24/12 08:15 PM
Re: Last night I was brutaly kicked out of a Kmart
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Greg
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you're just as bad, jb! no more pq because of you two AssWipes! i accept my responsibility. i should hve known better, he baited me on my blood pressure thread.
the thing is you weren't be baited, I was serious, several health issues I was experiencing went away completely after eliminating any alcohol consumption and with the amount you "socialize" I suspect the positive effects for you would be even greater
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#201551 - 02/24/12 08:31 PM
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Johnboy 64
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health issues.... you know something about me my doctors hasnt told me.
you said it explains my confusion... i dont suffer from confusion, then the alcohol jab
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