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#200564 - 10/02/11 04:41 AM Have You Heard?
ævory
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Even the Fed is broke. Come on, interested in pretty charts? ...with wrong stats? no?...Try FactCheck:


Or you could follow Glenn Kessler @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker




Edited by ævory (10/02/11 04:58 AM)

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#200565 - 10/02/11 08:32 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: ævory]
Greg
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Good chart, if you actually study it, what does it tell us?

the ratio steadily declined over the Clinton years.

there was an increasing trend over the GWB years with a large spike in the final GWB year (the start of the recession)

Obama took over at a time time of increased debt/GDB

as with Clinton, there has been a decreasing rate with Obama

to add:
the recovery from major recessions is about 5 year

eta: I was curious to read what went into the chart but couldn't find it at the link provided


Edited by Greg (10/02/11 08:40 AM)

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#200566 - 10/02/11 12:32 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: Greg]
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The chart is at factcheck.org. Here's its properties:
http://factcheck.org/Images/image/2010/Wire%20Items/Spending_GDP(3).png
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#200567 - 10/02/11 12:50 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: flicka]
Greg
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Oy, that is the image but what is the source document that shows how the GDP and spending were derived?

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found it

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/geithners-gdp-whopper/


Edited by Greg (10/02/11 12:53 PM)

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#200570 - 10/03/11 10:55 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: Greg]
paradocs
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http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/bushtaxcuts_anniversary.html

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#200572 - 10/03/11 01:24 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: paradocs]
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It is a fantasy to think Bush's tax cuts for corporate pals and the very wealthy in the United States did not affect the bottom line. I heard the price tag for the Iraq war stood at eight hundred billion and that is a lot of health insurance policies!

The stink of Bush will be around for a long time since he used the Constitution to wipe his butt with one law after another passed by the repug house and senate invading american's privacy. He is a criminal.
This is what I am talking about Greg. Bush used the attack on 9/11/01 to fuk Americans every way he could along with his pal Cheney.

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#200577 - 10/03/11 02:48 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: cbal-craig]
Greg
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I believe Bush was in over his head from the get go and the demands imposed by 9/11 blew his mind. His default response was fear based. Thank god a situation never arose during his presidency where nukes became a viable option.
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#200580 - 10/04/11 09:55 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: Greg]
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Amen to that I agree with your thoughts on Bush.
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#200581 - 10/04/11 09:56 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: ævory]
cbal-craig
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Even the Fed is broke. Come on, interested in pretty charts? ...with wrong stats? no?...Try FactCheck:


Or you could follow Glenn Kessler @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker


Good post Ronda

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#200594 - 10/05/11 12:17 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: cbal-craig]
ævory
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Ohh boy, let me put it to you differently:
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/

The pretty colored graph about Bush's Deficit floating around the net (and has been for some time now) was/is 'possibly' something first posted by either a partisan hack or an idiot. Myself, I think it boils down to being 'willing' to learn about things and the poster of the graph depicting Bush that way was lazy or unwilling to dig for the truth.

We grow up but we are always a student of life...or a potential student of life. I like learning. And I would rather spend time trying to understand something the man in this link at politicalmathblog wrote than much of the other crap I come across. Now, if someone else had written it with a more involved account of how they came up with the erroneous graph of Bush Deficit...then I would have wanted to follow IT closely, too.

At least Greg was thinking....greg, would you or would you not include the Social Security System in the whole budgeting/Deficit calculating fiasco. See....to study the graph tells me nothing! You ask what does it tell you...it tells me that the retina of the eye can play tricks on us in perceiving things (or colors) we see...that's all.

I would bet none of you here had anything to say about Kessler of the Washington Post that I mentioned, either, because ....because...why bother to read it?

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#200595 - 10/05/11 12:19 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: ævory]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Even the Fed is broke. Come on, interested in pretty charts? ...with wrong stats? no?...Try FactCheck:


Or you could follow Glenn Kessler @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker




And this really went over your heads..........REALLY?!

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#200602 - 10/07/11 03:37 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: ævory]
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Did you read the thread God damnit?
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#200604 - 10/09/11 07:24 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: cbal-craig]
ævory
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You bet I did. I started it and the catalyst being the erroneous colored graph showing Bush as the highlight of debt responsibility.

It's like watching Imus in the morning try to have a conversation with some closed-minded liberal who keeps repeating how Obama will go down in history as the greatest president ever, only here, (with you) it's Bush I hate, Bush I hate, Bush I hate with no clear proof of why....just repeating, thru whatever comes up in the political conversation (whatever the topic is) how much you hate him.

If the initiator of the Bush debt graph or anyone who spread it around the net after that had backing for their belief that it was anything but a lie and a dirty tactic of politics I would have read it and argued its points of possible truth but it was what it was...false.

I hit my belief that it was a stupid graph by posting not one..not two..but three different angles to WHY Bush Debt was erroneous.



Edited by ævory (10/09/11 09:41 AM)

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#200605 - 10/09/11 09:58 AM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: ævory]
cbal-craig
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I'm glad you are having fun Ronda. I suppose hate is a strong word because Bush was a president after all but I think he was a very bad president because President Bush caused a lot of pain and death to people in other countries he destroyed tens of thousands lives and called it collateral damage in Iraq. Play your games if that is all you have to do and thanks for the bones about Bush beautiful.

I have posted my complaints about Bush and I'm not some far leftist dead head. My complaints about bush are legitiment as you know. I'm no cheer leader for Obama but I understand what he is trying to do while repugs throw up one road block after another in front of him. They show him less respect than any other president.

You go ahead and put some Texas far right wing ass like all the fools running for repug nomination so far. are they a joke?

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#200607 - 10/09/11 09:49 PM Re: Have You Heard? [Re: cbal-craig]
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I'm voting for Herman Caine from the first exposure I had to him and his ideas.
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