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#199520 - 07/09/11 08:26 PM Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking
Overc0mer
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Alone, we are powerless, ignored, discounted. United, we become a powerful Disability Rights Advocacy campaign. I've read the ADA Regulations pertaining to Handicapped Parking, and they are flawed. The committee that "updated" the ADA Regulations, effective in March, 2011, advertised requests for recommendations from the public, and I responded. My concern was ignored. My statement was something to the effect that I am a Baby Boomer, permanently disabled, mobility impaired, and must use a power wheelchair to get around. I have a van, and use a six-foot tri-fold ramp for offloading my wheelchair. Van Accessible parking is a big stinking lie! I usually have to fight to get one of those parking spaces everytime I leave my home. ADA Regulations allow anyone with Handicapped licensing to park in Van Accessible spaces. Selfish drivers steal Handicapped spaces without fear of consequences. I know that of over three million people over age 15, who have to use wheelchairs, are fighting just as I am to be able to park and offload their wheelchairs! I have complained to police, who have only responded twice to ticket offenders. I have complained to businesses, and churches, that have violators denying me Handicapped Parking access. I have even been forced to file a complaint to the Indiana Civil Rights Commission for help in obtaining a reserved parking space, to offload my wheelchair at the apartment complex where I live. Guess what those fools said? The Judgment is that the apartment management has accommodated me with not one, but two Van Accessible parking spaces. That only served to hurt me more, because everyone parks in those spaces, and I seldom can get in. This proves that the system is flawed and causes people with disabilities to be abused, harassed, and discriminated against so severely, that they are forced to be confined to their homes. We can stop this abuse and get the system changed if we join-in together and demand to be counted! I have formed a new organization which needs Disability Rights Advocates from every state in the USA, to join us and fight for change, by taking this issue to Washington, D.C.! We need You! Come to: http://sites.google.com/site/aaehpa/
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#199521 - 07/09/11 11:31 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
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I hear you but it's a little like littering and the war on drugs
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#199636 - 07/13/11 09:22 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Paul I]
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Actually - your plan to combine will result in more division amongst the groups. Using your plan, if there is only a van accessible space left then I can't park when I am actually there, just to be sure it's there IN CASE someone else shows up.

Why do I have to give up MY immediate need and right to park to accommodate your potential needs when you're not even there?

Also - your tone, your name calling and your outdated and frankly, low level agitating language that only serves to get people's back up are very likely a main reason people don't listen to you.

If you call someone a fool, I can't imagine why they'd want to help you at all. Especially when they do not have the authority to do so.

No one is being abused or harassed because of a lack of van accessible spaces. They may be inconvenienced, but abuse and harassment are active actions that are intended to hurt you - not being convenient is not abuse. The overkill and hysterical tone of your post causes more damage than good.

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#199640 - 07/13/11 09:31 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: kimberleyb]
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I agree with both Kim and Paul on this one.
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#199658 - 07/13/11 11:30 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
shakey56
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I too agree with Kim and Paul up to a point. Provided wheelers in cars respect the needs of van users by only using van space when the others are full as Kim said. I do admit to not always being so respectful while driving a car. Since having to go to a van last year I have become much more aware of how the few van accessible places seem to be the first taken. This is to be expected given that they are usually closest to the entrance of whatever building the parking lot serves, and most ppl using handicapped parking are ambulatory. A kindly worded request to your fellow gimps to please use the van spaces as a last resort would be much more effective.

On the other hand, the lazy jackass TAB who takes that van space so he can "run into the store" for a minute, well, there ought to be a year around open season on those fools! I kid sorta. Legitimate users are not the problem. Doctors who hand out the permits for hang nails are. I can go months without seeing another gimp out in public, yet every time I go to the store most of the blue spaces are taken. Yeah there are unseen disabilities, and they need the parking as much or more than we do, but I contend the desire to use the parking came before the "disability" in a huge number of those cases. As I often say: parking lots must be the leading cause of disability in this country.

I've advocated for 2 areas for handicapped parking for years. One close to entrances and the other at the far end of the lot. Bet those far from the store always will have a vacant space. Yeah, it will be a bit more dangerous rolling the length of the lot, but at least you'll be able to park.
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#199704 - 07/13/11 06:55 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
soda
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yeah, i hate those octogenarians in the extra-wide handicapped-van spaces who limp from their '75 matadors. actually happens often when i go to khol's to buy chaps.
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#199790 - 07/14/11 05:25 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
Johnboy 64
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ohh i live in retirement hell... oy

you still wear chaps
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#199791 - 07/14/11 05:33 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
shakey56
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with a cute ass like he has, of course!
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#199792 - 07/14/11 05:42 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
Johnboy 64
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lol... doubt you can buy that type of chaps at khol's lol
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#199858 - 07/15/11 05:46 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
soda
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chaps shirts, and their name-brand craft & barrows clothes. i'm a lil' tight w/money now because i'm living on my wages and socials. i think i'm done paying off the van--this month or next. my vegas-cache remains at 180. ; not good!
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#199868 - 07/15/11 06:24 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
shakey56
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You sure paid that van off quick. Seems like it was only abt a year ago you got it.
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#199914 - 07/15/11 08:11 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
soda
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i wrote a pass plan. i got two socials, mine and my dad's, and because i work, i get to keep the surplus and my wages. ss put me on supplemental. i'm supposed to live off the supplemental and half my wages; the other half goes into my pass plan w/the socials, and the pass was approved in april '09. so i got retro like 7k when i picked the van up in april '10. pass money is a lot but i can only use for the van (payments, insurance gas etc), but it's over 1600. per months. when the pass ends after van's paid for, i'll keep just my wages and socials.

i hope i can afford the insurance, gas, food and soon rent, when the pp ends!
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#199915 - 07/15/11 10:04 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: kimberleyb]
Overc0mer
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@Kimberleyb: My apologies for the delay in responding, but I found no way to subscribe for notification of responses. At least one Van Accessible space should be available for about every 50 spaces, to accommodate offloading vans WHENEVER they are needed. PWD's who have to offload wheelchairs cannot park in a regular-sized space and are penalized when they are forced to create enough space by taking two regular parking spaces to have enough room. My tone reflects my desperate appeal for relief from documented abuse, harassment, and discrimination which I have continually experienced. Your definitions are faulty, because abuse, harassment, and discrimination are often the result of negligence as well. Yes, my tone could be more calm, but I got your attention, didn't I? Your opinion about my style or vocabulary is just that--yours. I could not care less! You appear to be enjoying the privilege of posting insults while veiled with anonymity. The name-calling/insult directed toward an agency tasked with the job of protecting civil rights of residents in my state is warranted, because the wording in the Judgment contained two lies. The Judgment proves that the investigator failed to do her job.
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#199918 - 07/15/11 10:44 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
ParaDude
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Kimberley B is far from anonymous and I'll bet every nickel I have that she has done as much, if not more than you could hope to do as far as furthering the rights of people with disabilities.

Around here, it is you who are "veiled".

I went to your website and am curious. You seem to have a problem with the word "handicapped" yet embrace the term "disabled". By definition I must wonder...where is there a difference?
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#199932 - 07/16/11 10:01 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
Johnboy 64
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rob, you receive 2 social security checks? i've never heard of such a thing. damn, you must be raking in da dough! and the dont garnish because you are earning, things sure r different in NY
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#199936 - 07/16/11 11:01 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
shakey56
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Originally Posted By: soda
i wrote a pass plan. i got two socials, mine and my dad's, and because i work, i get to keep the surplus and my wages. ss put me on supplemental. i'm supposed to live off the supplemental and half my wages; the other half goes into my pass plan w/the socials, and the pass was approved in april '09. so i got retro like 7k when i picked the van up in april '10. pass money is a lot but i can only use for the van (payments, insurance gas etc), but it's over 1600. per months. when the pass ends after van's paid for, i'll keep just my wages and socials.

i hope i can afford the insurance, gas, food and soon rent, when the pp ends!


Good for you, Rob.
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#199939 - 07/16/11 12:01 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
soda
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in ny if you're disabled before 21yrs old, you get your parents' socials after they die. ma died in '95 at 64yrs old--she retired early due to emphysema, but her social was less than mine. my da died at 68yrs old in '98-- his was substantually higher than my social and supplemental combined. then i was unemployed; so i had a surplus, and had to pay the homecare agency about 400. a month. when i began working at ucp in '08, ss waived the surplus. after 2/'09 when i got the job at concepts, i couldn't earn more than 948. a month otherwise ss deducts from the next month's socials. the ceo keeps saying he's going to open a nysarc or nysaid (trust-fund) for me; but thus far, if he did, nobody told me.
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#199940 - 07/16/11 12:13 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
soda
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i think we're off-topic. anybody w/a disability may write a pp. this plan is my second--i wrote one in '88 for my first van--i got nearly 11k back then.

as long as the money is used to get a job or go back to school, ss will pass the plan. you must use the money for what is intended for--i'm audited every 3mos.
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#199945 - 07/16/11 01:23 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
Johnboy 64
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that's great. do you get both entire checks or just the amount over what your dads check was over yours? when my dad passed mom took his ss cause it was more.
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#199949 - 07/16/11 02:17 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
soda
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mine is about 555. dad's is about 683. but goes into the van pp w/half my wages.

i'm living off supp 761. (less if i earn too much) and half my wages. this pp ends when van's paid off. then i get both socials an my wages--which will be less than 2k a month.

insurance 245.
gas 240.
food maybe 200.
rent abut 600.
con ed i'm guessing 50.-80
tv/internet/phone 110.
that'll leave me about 500. in spending-money. i'm not complaining but that isn't much, and i know ppl who do it--so i'll figure out how to live within my means.
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#199954 - 07/16/11 02:36 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
Johnboy 64
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WOW, your dad didnt make much on ss. i make almost as much as the 2 of you combined

yes i know all the ex penses, plus 500 for mortgage.

only 200 for food... i spend much more on food
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#199963 - 07/16/11 03:34 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
soda
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my dad worked for the water-company--ironically that's what killed him as they used asbestos. he was a worker/foreman; made about 50-60k when he retired. dad was good w/money; i ain't so good w/it.

i think money makes some ppl evil.
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#199964 - 07/16/11 03:36 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
Johnboy 64
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me too... i'm poor, but happy
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#199966 - 07/16/11 03:44 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
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Did your dad receive compensation for his mesothelioma, Rob?
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#199967 - 07/16/11 03:53 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: flicka]
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no
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#199969 - 07/16/11 04:01 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
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Dang. You only had 2 years after his death to file a claim. Oh well, money won't bring him back.
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#199970 - 07/16/11 04:05 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
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Originally Posted By: Overc0mer
My tone reflects my desperate appeal for relief from documented abuse, harassment, and discrimination which I have continually experienced.

Pick your battles wisely.
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#199974 - 07/16/11 04:31 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
Overc0mer
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@ParaDude, "around here" I am new. At my website, and on Facebook, my presence is established in my own name. Kimberlyb's is the first feedback I've received about my "tone" which is a good constructive criticism, which I accept!
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#199975 - 07/16/11 04:50 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
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I'm glad you accept the constructive criticism. I too felt the same negative reaction. Your cause is just and I hope you manage to start making some positive changes with regard to the parking issue.

I don't necessarily share your views that this is a big issue but recognize that for some people, including yourself, that this is a major problem.

I wish you good luck.
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#199976 - 07/16/11 04:57 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
in ny if you're disabled before 21yrs old, you get your parents' socials after they die. ma died in '95 at 64yrs old--she retired early due to emphysema, but her social was less than mine. my da died at 68yrs old in '98-- his was substantually higher than my social and supplemental combined. then i was unemployed; so i had a surplus, and had to pay the homecare agency about 400. a month. when i began working at ucp in '08, ss waived the surplus. after 2/'09 when i got the job at concepts, i couldn't earn more than 948. a month otherwise ss deducts from the next month's socials. the ceo keeps saying he's going to open a nysarc or nysaid (trust-fund) for me; but thus far, if he did, nobody told me.



I'm pretty sure that's federal law, Rob. Same was true for me in MT, AZ, and now in MO since I became a gimp at 15.
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#199979 - 07/16/11 05:22 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
Johnboy 64
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curt, if i were getting my dad's and my ss i'd be doing way better than the avg joe/jane... but i was 23. doesnt seem right that someone anyone should get 2 ss checks jmo
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#200011 - 07/17/11 08:53 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Johnboy 64]
soda
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we sued my dad's doctor--who was beautiful old man who still made house-calls to the elderly; because the doc was in his late 80s and had dementia. we had a petite-jury (6), who said they voted on his behalf (his son stood in for him because his dementia had advance by the time we went to trial) because we didn't take or talk my dad into seeing another dr since he had so many complaints of feeling unwell for more than a year --which made sense. we should have had sued the doc's colleagues, who should have seen he was slipping.
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#200012 - 07/17/11 11:25 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
flicka
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we should have had sued the doc's colleagues, who should have seen he was slipping.

Your family sounds about as lawsuit happy as my family. Money just can never replace a person's life...
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#200014 - 07/17/11 11:57 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: flicka]
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JB,it's not a full benefit. For disabled who became dis before 22 it's 75% of the parent's. I don't know for sure if I still get anything from that since I worked and was not considered dis by SSA during that time. I don't know how or if my check's broken down.
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#200021 - 07/17/11 12:24 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
Overc0mer
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Originally Posted By: ParaDude
Kimberley B is far from anonymous and I'll bet every nickel I have that she has done as much, if not more than you could hope to do as far as furthering the rights of people with disabilities.

Around here, it is you who are "veiled".

I went to your website and am curious. You seem to have a problem with the word "handicapped" yet embrace the term "disabled". By definition I must wonder...where is there a difference?


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ParaDude, the label "handicapped" is quickly being changed, from referring to people with disabilities (PWD'S). Didn't you know this? It's all over the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) website, the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD), and most any publications coming from our nation's Capital! I have bookmarks and pamphlets which guide society in how to address and interact with PWD's. Would you like for me to send you a copy? Yes, I am unknown on Newmobility's website, because I am new here. On Facebook and the AAEPHA website, I am well-established in my own name! kimberlyb gave one good constructive criticism about my "tone," and I certainly appreciate that!

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#200023 - 07/17/11 12:34 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
Overc0mer
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ParaDude, the label "handicapped" is quickly being changed, from referring to people with disabilities (PWD'S). Didn't you know this? It's all over the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) website, the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD), and most any publications coming from our nation's Capital! I have bookmarks and pamphlets which guide society in how to address and interact with PWD's. Would you like for me to send you a copy? Yes, I am unknown on Newmobility's website, because I am new here. On Facebook and the AAEHPA website, I am well-established in my own name! kimberlyb gave one good
constructive criticism about my "tone," and I certainly appreciate that!

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#200024 - 07/17/11 12:41 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: Overc0mer]
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Overcomer, being changed is hardly accurate. The PC police did that long ago. I prefer gimp or crip, but "they" decided I can't address myself that way.

I'd love to see the pamphlet on how to interact with cripples. Written by some terminally constipated TAB most likely.


Edited by shakey56 (07/17/11 01:54 PM)
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#200027 - 07/17/11 01:31 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
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You didn't address my actual question Overcomer. Frankly, I don't really care about the ADA as I'm not a USian. I'm not PC either and could really care less what people call me.

I was curious though about the two words, "disabled", and "handicapped" and why YOU (not the ADA) thinks one is better/worse than the other.

I'm no English major or anything like that but my personal definitions of the two terms are:

Disabled: rendered inoperative, stopped, ceases to work.

Handicapped: a disadvantage apart from the norm.

You tell me which one describes us more accurately.

As stated above, I don't really care one way or another but it seems you do, and I wonder...why?

ETA - and no, I don't need any pamphlets on how to interact with people like myself. Frankly, such a thing seems hardly necessary given that EVERY ONE OF US is an individual and hardly a "category" of people who can all be addressed using the same handbook.

P.S. Your condescending tone is not necessary.


Edited by ParaDude (07/17/11 01:35 PM)
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#200045 - 07/17/11 06:20 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
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i'm heterosexually-crippled
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#200088 - 07/19/11 06:43 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: soda]
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I know how I tell MY friends to interact with the cripples.. hahahhaaa.. the standing orders are - I run interference while they RUN!!
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#200090 - 07/19/11 07:00 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: kimberleyb]
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overcomer - you did not get my attention in a good way but more like an errant child throwing a tantrum needs to be given a time out.

Those of us who DO actually work to make changes are constantly having to UNDO the damage people like you cause with the agitation and ignorance you are spreading - BEFORE we can get back to the real work of making changes.

And I would actually LOVE a copy of any guide written on how to interact with me. I'm sure it would be very... informative - especially considering how many I know in real life.. it would make my day go a whole lot easier if I just knew the right (and government approved) way to deal with them.. damn cripples..

and wearing chaps no less.. but if my ass was as cute as Rob's I probably would too..
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#200096 - 07/19/11 07:51 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: kimberleyb]
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Heh Kimberley...I sent you a PM. Would like to talk. Email me or send me your email address.
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#200163 - 07/19/11 02:08 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: ParaDude]
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#201808 - 03/23/12 10:11 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: shakey56]
BufGimp
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Registered: 12/03/11
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Originally Posted By: shakey56
I too agree with Kim and Paul up to a point. Provided wheelers in cars respect the needs of van users by only using van space when the others are full as Kim said. I do admit to not always being so respectful while driving a car. Since having to go to a van last year I have become much more aware of how the few van accessible places seem to be the first taken. This is to be expected given that they are usually closest to the entrance of whatever building the parking lot serves, and most ppl using handicapped parking are ambulatory. A kindly worded request to your fellow gimps to please use the van spaces as a last resort would be much more effective.

On the other hand, the lazy jackass TAB who takes that van space so he can "run into the store" for a minute, well, there ought to be a year around open season on those fools! I kid sorta. Legitimate users are not the problem. Doctors who hand out the permits for hang nails are. I can go months without seeing another gimp out in public, yet every time I go to the store most of the blue spaces are taken. Yeah there are unseen disabilities, and they need the parking as much or more than we do, but I contend the desire to use the parking came before the "disability" in a huge number of those cases. As I often say: parking lots must be the leading cause of disability in this country.

I've advocated for 2 areas for handicapped parking for years. One close to entrances and the other at the far end of the lot. Bet those far from the store always will have a vacant space. Yeah, it will be a bit more dangerous rolling the length of the lot, but at least you'll be able to park.


I agree that there should be two types of handicapped parking.

1) For those that have trouble walking but do NOT use a wheelchair. (which in my observation is about 90% of those parking there) These spots should be close and don't need to be the wide spots.

2) For those that actully use wheelchairs. These are the wide spots so you can get the chair in and out of the car. These spots don't need to be as close. And anybody parking in these spots that is not useing a wheelchair would be ticketed.

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#201836 - 03/24/12 06:10 PM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: flicka]
starlight.2
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Registered: 02/19/09
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Originally Posted By: flicka
The eagle has landed. The fat man walks alone.


the avian american has landed. the glandularly challenged individual walks alone, because all the handicapped parking spots are taken.
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#201880 - 03/29/12 06:17 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: starlight.2]
kimberleyb
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The reason we park close is because we are a visual hazard as well - people can't always see a wheeler.

It's not a matter of our own personal abilities to get around it's a matter of safety.
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#201881 - 03/29/12 07:11 AM Re: Let's unite and stop illegal Handicapped Parking [Re: kimberleyb]
Greg
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Registered: 08/20/05
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Originally Posted By: kimberleyb
The reason we park close is because we are a visual hazard as well - people can't always see a wheeler.

It's not a matter of our own personal abilities to get around it's a matter of safety.


True, I have been hit twice in parking lots, you get better at spotting those who don't pay attention and it is great fun now slapping the side of the vehicle when someone is backing up, kinda wakes them up.

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