#197441 - 02/03/11 11:24 AM
Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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ævory
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I never thought of the Garden of Eden as a place here on earth.
Anyone else?
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#197444 - 02/03/11 12:17 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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flicka
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I've actually never thought of it as anything but a place on earth... Interesting!
What are your thoughts on its representation?
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#197447 - 02/03/11 01:40 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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ævory
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I've considered it to be a more otherworld place that was beautiful and peaceful and near perfect in which God placed Adam and Eve, til they sinned and were thrown out, falling to the earth where sin lives. I think it is possible that when He first created man he wasn't ready to place him on earth. Yes, the heavens and earth and all were created but who is to say that when He created man, He placed him on earth. Who knows how long He may have wanted Adam and Eve to stay there with Him ...maybe, God didn't decide "Out with you!" until one sinned and they both were expelled...[to earth]. I mean, He certainly didn't know WHEN they would sin because He watched them...like the Father over His children..until they did wrong. And then He called them out and Threw them out. And the circle of life will not only be for our return to the heavens and our maker, but to also be able to see that place where sin first occurred. Those 2 or more like 3 things will complete us. I think it will be marked off. We won't have bodies like we now have but we will have a sense of territory and we will be directed to envision where things first went wrong...... God means for us to see the place --the garden of Eden. Outside that garden will be all spacious heaven for us to be as one.
And that would take in the idea that when God created us...perhaps, because we Were without sin we were also unburdened and un-heavy --- and Not quite of the earthly body form that (we) know of. When we sinned, then we took on the heaviness of sin, our bodies creating heaviness in the human flesh.
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#197448 - 02/03/11 01:56 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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ævory
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His ways are not our ways. Creating man out of dust and breathing life into his nostrils doesn't mean that what the body 'was' at that time also is the 'same' as what we know our bodies to be, now. If God can do All, perhaps when He was disappointed in what He created, with the first sin to happen, then at the point of throwing them out of the Garden they took on the earthly flesh, causing them the heaviness and fall to earth. Is that better?
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#197449 - 02/03/11 02:32 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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At the end of Genesis 3 it says a flaming sword was placed at the entrance of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve from re-entering. Why would that be necessary if Eden wasn't here on earth?
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#197450 - 02/03/11 02:54 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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I think Eden was on earth and the garden was planted eastward in Eden. It speaks of rivers which still exist with the same names now as then. A couple have disappeared but some scientists think they have found those river beds by use of space cameras on sattelite. Like I said before not all those things that seem logical are true. IMO
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#197453 - 02/03/11 03:19 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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starlight.2
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i saw something on the history channel about trying to locate the probable site of the garden of eden. somewhere in mesopotamia, i believe.
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#197456 - 02/03/11 06:13 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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ævory
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At the end of Genesis 3 it says a flaming sword was placed at the entrance of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve from re-entering. Why would that be necessary if Eden wasn't here on earth?
I was thinking how everything in the Bible seems to get 'looked into' for proof and just when will it be enough...when is there ever enough evidence for some to believe? Then again, I guess it's no different than someone like me always thinking in legend terms or mythologically or as if I were trying to solve puzzles in my head about the Bible.
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#197460 - 02/03/11 07:06 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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flicka
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And that would take in the idea that when God created us...perhaps, because we Were without sin we were also unburdened and un-heavy --- and Not quite of the earthly body form that (we) know of. When we sinned, then we took on the heaviness of sin, our bodies creating heaviness in the human flesh.
I really like this concept!
I was thinking how everything in the Bible seems to get 'looked into' for proof and just when will it be enough...when is there ever enough evidence for some to believe? Then again, I guess it's no different than someone like me always thinking in legend terms or mythologically or as if I were trying to solve puzzles in my head about the Bible.
I enjoy these type of discussions, because I was taught to believe the Bible, literally, and not to question (because it showed lack of faith).
Now that I'm older, I just don't believe that questioning events like Creation (specifically the 7 days aspect), or the Great Flood (specifically being a global event) is a 'shaking of faith'. Discussing it is fun!
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#197461 - 02/03/11 07:20 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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flicka
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Others -- Jonah & the Whale! Tower of Babel...
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#197534 - 02/08/11 03:02 PM
Re: Why Has Man Tried to Locate the Garden of Eden?
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Paul I
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I've always considered the creation story to be a beautiful allegory for the most simple of elements, essentially the dust of the earth, to become a living human. The original sin was when
evolving man became capable of selfishness and other of human's more despicable behaviors. That became human nature and since Jesus we have been trying to turn it around or control it. I believe animals in general, except possibly for some advanced primates like chimps, do not sin. They simply care for their offspring and provide for themselves.
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