#198116 - 03/29/11 10:09 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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yes, i am keenly aware that thought and sincerity don't figure in to the church vision. are you suggesting that, if i tried to keep my doubts hidden, i could trick god into believing i had none? if not, what would be an incentive for keeping them under wraps? doesn't the bible include accounts of doubting AND being used by god?
or...in your preferred language:
John 20:24-25
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
Luke 1:18
18 Zechariah asked the angel, “How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years.”
Judges 6:14-23
14 The LORD turned to him and said, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian’s hand. Am I not sending you?”
15 “Pardon me, my lord,” Gideon replied, “but how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family.”
16 The LORD answered, “I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites, leaving none alive.”
17 Gideon replied, “If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me.
18 Please do not go away until I come back and bring my offering and set it before you.”
John:20:29: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Luke:1:19: And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luke:1:20: And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
Judges:6:15: And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is poor in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house.
Judges:6:16: And the LORD said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.
Judges:6:17: And he said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, then shew me a sign that thou talkest with me.
Judges:6:18: Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my present, and set it before thee. And he said, I will tarry until thou come again.
Judges:6:19: And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of flour: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the oak, and presented it.
Judges:6:20: And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so.
Judges:6:21: Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.
James:1:5: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
James:1:6: But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
James:1:7: For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
James:1:8: A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Galatians:6:7: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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#198117 - 03/29/11 10:25 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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kan5a5
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You have no business working in a church. Wait and see if you don't regret that.
in twenty years of working for a church, i have lived through seasons of regret, sure.
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#198126 - 03/31/11 05:34 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ævory
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Gideon needed to giddy-up.
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#198147 - 04/02/11 06:09 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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soda
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You have no business working in a church. Wait and see if you don't regret that. in twenty years of working for a church, i have lived through seasons of regret, sure.
god's a real meanie! look at what he did to job, and steve jobs too.
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#198157 - 04/03/11 08:36 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Greg
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You have no business working in a church. Wait and see if you don't regret that. in twenty years of working for a church, i have lived through seasons of regret, sure.
oh, the drama, confliction
id, ego, superego, the constant struggle 
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#198220 - 04/05/11 08:26 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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kan5a5
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it's like the forces of good and evil have taken to fightin' inside my head. ARGH! <HUGZ>
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#198267 - 04/06/11 06:29 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Paul I
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Could you attach that statement to some specific goods and evils that are connected? Is it then possible to describe some of the
forces, values, pinions, etc. that weigh in on the fight?
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#200418 - 08/29/11 07:58 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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RDJW
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I replied to this question below but wanted to share thoughts witn you...Thanks..RDJW
Is Jesus Almighty God? Before I give my Biblical perspective. ALL Christians should remember Jesus Words at John 13:34,35...Love identifies TRUE Christians! So any comment should not be antagonistic, only accurate using God's Word.
Many scriptural verses present an interesting view that seems to disagree with The Trinitarian perspective.
For instance..read Colossians 1:15,16...1 Corinthians 15:20-28 and Jesus own words at Revelation 3:14 give credence to His creation and position in God's arrangement.
But an interesting fact to remember is Almighty God cannot lie or die! So a worthy question all those sincere ones who are seeking TRUTH should ask is...Did Christ DIE for us?
If so, He truly is the Son of God sent by His Father as our redeemer (READ John 3:16) and not Almighty God himself. That is the sole praise given to the Father. Jesus himself said TRUE WORSHIPPERS would worship ONLY the Father including himself. He made that very clear to a Samaritan Woman at John 4:21-24. Notice verse 23 where He said..."WE worship what we Know".
PLEASE READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES. Always read the context!!!
Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does. Recall Jesus own words at John 13:34,35 (mentioned above) to His true followers when he said..."By this ALL will know you are my disciples...IF you have Love among yourselves".
Kind Thanks..RDJW
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#200419 - 08/29/11 08:29 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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starlight.2
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@RDJW: posting the same identical post on two different threads is generally considered spamming. once was enough, thanks.
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#200420 - 08/29/11 11:07 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Paulwa_dup1
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Finding your creator is an intensely personal action. You must realize that you have hurt yourself or others in your life. Repent and make the creator your master and make Him your continual search through out your life and strive to be kind to all and also yourself. Forget all others have told you and things you have read. Rely upon your creator to guide you to His words, His spirit in you will guide you. From this beginning you will build and gain strength in His spirit. Pray as you go continually or at least have the spirit of prayer within your heart. If you are not harming yourself or others in any way and being truthful, then you are on the right path. You have to learn to be true to yourself or you will get off the path.
That is the way I see how you choose a Godly life.
I personally think if you do this you will come to Jesus in time as the creator of all life. But this is my opinion.
Paul
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#200422 - 08/30/11 04:27 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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flicka
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Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does.
I personally think if you do this you will come to Jesus in time as the creator of all life.
As a child, I was taught about the Trinity and encouraged to believe in it. And, no matter how confusing the 3 in 1 concept, I had the faith to accept it...God the 'Father', God the 'Son', and God the 'Holy Spirit'. All "God", yet each has 'his' own task(s).
Now, as an adult, other Christians have given me pause and have made me question the concept of the Trinity. My faith says that God the Father is the creator of all. It claims that God the Son is our salvation, and God the Holy Spirit leads our faith. I've believed this for as long as I can remember.
In today's world, other Christians don't believe in the Trinity and I'm not sure how Jesus fits into their scenario. Also, other Christians claim Jesus Christ is the creator...huh? How can that be, when Jesus himself says he & the father are 'separate thinkers'.
Oh well, maybe none of that matters anyway?
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#200434 - 09/01/11 05:29 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Paulwa_dup1
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There is a scripture in the bible that says Jesus was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and without Him was nothing made. so Jesus is God and the creator of all things. When Jesus became manifest on earth as the Son of God there was seperation between Jesus and the heavenly Father and God's Holy Spirit giving us the Trinity view. At least that is the way I see it, Flicka.
Paul
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