#198083 - 03/25/11 01:19 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ævory
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Jesus does not ask us to be sensible. He doesn't give a wack-a-do about sensibility. All we need is a childlike faith.
The most important thing to get right is that Jesus wants us to know Him. It means we take the time to get to know Him. To be with Him .. . go off to oneself and listen, talk, BE with Him. It is He that died on the cross for us. So for sure....all he wants is for to be together and us Want to know Him.
You can read the Bible. You can do all the fantastically good deeds for others out of the kindness of your heart but I could list any number more things to do in order to get yourself in Christianly order ....but any and All things can get sooo busy, they can consume us. And where are we? Are we closer to Him? Do we KNOW Him any better? No. You have to want to be alone with God. You have to want to sit and listen for Him to speak to you. To have Him hear You...to listen, to learn. And to love, Him. It is really all He wants. And why not? He died for us.
The rest is busyness and all consuming to the point of not really Having spent time...with....just you and Him...or to have gotten to Know Him.
"the creator does know how reveal himself to each of us in a way that will make sense to us individually. That way we each find our own pathway for communication." ----and That does not imply that we should sit back and wait for Him to reveal Himself to us. He needs to see us want to come to Him and talk, and listen and learn.
So anytime you try to shut the voice of a believer off from speaking as the Bible says, you are standing on weak ground. Because, PRAISE GOD, He Is Not just sitting on a shelf to be discovered, Ghoti.
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#198086 - 03/25/11 03:28 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ghoti
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You have no more concept of what God is thinking or doing than an ant does of humans, Ronda. Quit pretending to have secret knmowledge and insight that no human being could ever have.
And if someone wants to believe in the Bible that's fine with me. Just don't go telling others who disagree that they're wrong.
Edited by ghoti (03/25/11 03:29 PM)
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#198087 - 03/25/11 03:34 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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There are hundreds of millions of people through this world who believe (know) they their image of God is the correct one and probably the only correct one. It is nearly impossible to change another's image of God to any extent. That comes from within.
When someone else tries to impose their religious beliefs on me
then the line is crossed (read- Teaparty).
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#198088 - 03/25/11 06:25 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ævory
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You have no more concept of what God is thinking or doing than an ant does of humans, Ronda. Quit pretending to have secret knmowledge and insight that no human being could ever have.
And if someone wants to believe in the Bible that's fine with me. Just don't go telling others who disagree that they're wrong.
It is no more secret than any other thing you claim is of secrecy, ghoti.
And that is exactly Why you cannot stop the beliefs of others. Especially a Christian because what they feel in their heart and read of the Word....
How about, for once Ever, you post those exact things you have read that is proof of another forcing you or anyone to think one way or another. You have been asked this before but no one, including you who were asked, quoted another as doing that.
You can't stop what is real just because it repulses you or does not jive with your personal take on religion, God, or the Bible.
Ronnie is correct, you are such a Debbie Downer and I've no clue as to why you are not able to let others be. What you see as shoving down the throats of others you need to quote so whoever you accuse of it can get a handle on just what you DO see as being that way.
My bet is you can't.
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#198089 - 03/26/11 04:04 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ævory
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It is arrogant and also a little loony to label Jesus as a liberal, a conservative, or anything like that. Label man but not Jesus. Go ahead. Labeling is the name of the game around here by liberals.
lol
The Word is the strongest thing there is. Nothing..not the devil, nor otherwise, can tear it down.
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#198091 - 03/26/11 09:50 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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You have no more concept of what God is thinking or doing than an ant does of humans, Ronda. Quit pretending to have secret knmowledge and insight that no human being could ever have.
And if someone wants to believe in the Bible that's fine with me. Just don't go telling others who disagree that they're wrong.
Ghoti, don't you claim that you know what your god wants from you because of a clandestine meeting you had with him whilst you were in a coma?
How is it that you are able to handle knowledge from your god about his concerns for mankind? Why do you see yourself as special and singled out by your god?
Do you see yourself as being above humanity and godlike in your understanding of things? After all, you said it yourself. You believe that having insight into the mind of god is something that "no human being could ever have". And yet you claim to have had just that very thing delivered to you by god himself.
Proverbs:11:9: An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.
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#198092 - 03/26/11 12:21 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Just asking you to listen to the words of Jesus in Matthew 13. Believe what you like, but lay off the continuous fundamentalist proselytyzing It goes on constantly, we've all heard it over and over, and many believe differently. This is NOT a forum exclusive to fundamentalist Christians philosophy.
Question: when Jesus said to shake the dust off your shoes ? when you leave a city who has rejected Jesus are we to do that leaving a home who rejects Jesus too as you go house to house? I'm thinking we should in obediance to Jesus's words, not encouraging that we should but What I'm saying is Maybe that's what Jesus would want us to do., what say ye?
Answer: When we give someone the gospel and they reject it, you are to shake the dust off your feet and go on because you have done all that God has required of you to do for that person. You are then not responsible for their not knowing about God. It is up to us to tell them, then they have the responsibility for their own decisions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090106202925AAM30sd
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#198094 - 03/27/11 03:17 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ævory
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GET ON THE NATCH
GOOD GOD, BERNICE!
Read more: BOZ SCAGGS - GET ON THE NATCH LYRICS
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#198100 - 03/28/11 06:56 AM
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i would have such a deeper respect for the christian spiritual process if it was more about seeking (you know...like, an actual process) and less about knowing...and less dismissive. as if disagreeing with science textbooks, and disagreeing with pop culture, and disagreeing with psychology, and disagreeing with history, is sufficient despite the lack of a compelling alternative. year after year kids in our community come home from 'get saved at the altar camp' thinking that they have superior knowledge and part of that knowledge is the awareness that everyone who wasn't at camp is headed for hell. no humility, no depth of spiritual awareness, just a self-righteous superiority.
'you don't need an empirical look at anything. you don't need years of knowledge, spiritual maturity, or actual experience. just cling to your plush stuffed jesus doll.' it's not enough.
i think god's appearent inability to biblically forcast the emergence of the information age is going to be 'his' undoing.
the religions unwilling to try to be science and history will win this round. mark my words.
Edited by kan5a5 (03/28/11 06:59 AM)
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#198104 - 03/28/11 04:32 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Daniel:12:4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
1Timothy:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
2Timothy:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Timothy:4:4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Like the one about evolution.
2Peter:2:1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Colossians:2:8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1Corinthians:3:18: Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Corinthians:3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Corinthians:3:20: And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Ecclesiastes:1:2: Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Edited by ronniechoate34 (03/28/11 04:33 PM)
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#198105 - 03/28/11 04:37 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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GET ON THE NATCH
GOOD GOD, BERNICE!
Read more: BOZ SCAGGS - GET ON THE NATCH LYRICS
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That's offensive.
Is it supposed to be comedy or something?
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#198106 - 03/28/11 06:09 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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and yet, medical knowledge - used by christians every hour of every day
mechanical knowledge - employed by christians every hour of every day
technological knowledge - used by christians every day and even IN WORSHIP
musical knowledge - exploited by christians as long as the musicians fake a 'right spirit' about it
theatrical knowledge - so essential to the christian experience that it is impossible to seperate the two
so...it all must be relative to work, right? no hard and fast rules?
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#198113 - 03/29/11 06:51 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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1Corinthians:6:12: All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1Corinthians:6:13: Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
1Corinthians:10:21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
1Corinthians:10:22: Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
1Corinthians:10:23: All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
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#198114 - 03/29/11 06:52 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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and yet, medical knowledge - used by christians every hour of every day
mechanical knowledge - employed by christians every hour of every day
technological knowledge - used by christians every day and even IN WORSHIP
musical knowledge - exploited by christians as long as the musicians fake a 'right spirit' about it
theatrical knowledge - so essential to the christian experience that it is impossible to seperate the two
so...it all must be relative to work, right? no hard and fast rules?
You have no business working in a church. Wait and see if you don't regret that.
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#198115 - 03/29/11 08:05 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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yes, i am keenly aware that thought and sincerity don't figure in to the church vision. are you suggesting that, if i tried to keep my doubts hidden, i could trick god into believing i had none? if not, what would be an incentive for keeping them under wraps? doesn't the bible include accounts of doubting AND being used by god?
or...in your preferred language:
John 20:24-25
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
Luke 1:18
18 Zechariah asked the angel, “How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years.”
Judges 6:14-23
14 The LORD turned to him and said, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian’s hand. Am I not sending you?”
15 “Pardon me, my lord,” Gideon replied, “but how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family.”
16 The LORD answered, “I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites, leaving none alive.”
17 Gideon replied, “If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me.
18 Please do not go away until I come back and bring my offering and set it before you.”
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