#198034 - 03/21/11 06:02 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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Why is no one trying to destroy Islam, or Budhism? Why is it that the Christian beliefs are blasphemed and attacked on a regular basis while I never hear anyone speaking out against hindus or satanists or witches, or any other wacky religion that exists?
Why it's almost as if there will be no peace until we have all assimilated into one big blasphemous religious system. This is not the way our God wants things to be.
Read Fox's Book of Martyrs for the big picture. Not the condensed version either. You'd be surprised at how many Christians were slaughtered by Rome. The Pope is satan in disguise.
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#198036 - 03/21/11 07:17 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ghoti
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Christians like you are constantly going around shooting off your mouth and telling everyone else how to live their lives, and that's why I personally speak out. The idea that Christians are being persecuted and dying for their beliefs in large numbers today is totally bogus. In the Iraq and Afghan wars alone we have killed dozens of their people for every one of us killed.
Christians committed mass genocide on the native populations of Norrth and South America, Africa, and everyplace they colonized and sent missionaries to "save" the heathen. Whenever Christians have had total control over nearly any government in the past they have treated non-believers with murderous brutality.
I'd have a lot more respect for the Christian faith if its leadership followed the example of Jesus. To be fair, most Christians I know are caring and decent people, but the ones who try to force their beliefs on others are just as dangerous as zealots from any other faith.
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#198039 - 03/21/11 08:31 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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Christians like you are constantly going around shooting off your mouth and telling everyone else how to live their lives, and that's why I personally speak out.
Live however you like, ghoti. That's never been an issue with me.
Ecclesiastes:11:9: Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.
I'm sorry my belief irks you. Why do you care what I believe? Shouldn't you be seeking peace of some kind?
The idea that Christians are being persecuted and dying for their beliefs in large numbers today is totally bogus. In the Iraq and Afghan wars alone we have killed dozens of their people for every one of us killed.
Ghoti, Christians today face an assault of sorts. In fact the music industry and Hollywood alone have absolutely aimed themselves at the destruction of Christianity and any remnant of it. The evidence is clear.
It wasn't too long ago that the inquisition destroyed many a good man and woman. All in the name of stomping out the truth.
Christians committed mass genocide on the native populations of Norrth and South America, Africa, and everyplace they colonized and sent missionaries to "save" the heathen. Whenever Christians have had total control over nearly any government in the past they have treated non-believers with murderous brutality.
Do you mean Christians, or just Roman Catholics? Because the Pope is absolutely not a Christian. Papal Rome is hell on wheels ghoti.
The Pope isn't doing God's work and he certainly isn't the vicar of Christ. That's just a gimmik, the truth is much more horrifying than you may imagine.
Don't blame Christians for what the devil has done. Try to understand that this is a diversion created by our enemy, satan.
He wants all peoples and religions to be subservient to him.
I'd have a lot more respect for the Christian faith if its leadership followed the example of Jesus. To be fair, most Christians I know are caring and decent people, but the ones who try to force their beliefs on others are just as dangerous as zealots from any other faith.
Right.  I'm all up in your life wagging my finger in your face and prodding you with hot irons. 
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#198040 - 03/21/11 08:35 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Greg
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Christians like you are constantly going around shooting off your mouth and telling everyone else how to live their lives,
kinda like you do to me? LOL
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#198047 - 03/22/11 11:57 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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kan5a5
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american fundementalism will eventually die out, not because it is such a straight narrow path, but because nearly everyone realizes that spiritual 'truth' never springs from arrogance and superiority. so damn your catholics, your buddhists, your hindus, your pagans, and icky sinners and non-believers of every ilk, and speed the process along. ...oh...and thank you for showing the world what transcendent spiritual development is NOT about! we needed it.
evangelicals have become the masters of weeding out the riff raff to the extent that they would brush aside most of the defective characters in the bible so that they could maintain the arrogance and superiority (AKA 'right spirit') the evangelical church requires.
or as such a church puts it: "The Vocal Team is an auditioned group for those who love and feel called to sing and lead worship at our weekend worship services. We are looking for people with a heart of service who are not seeking a platform or opportunity to perform....Those who join FBC Praise (FBC’s choir) are people who want to put the rocks out of a job!...Some of the necessary skills needed to be a part of this team include a great ear for picking out and singing harmony, vocal experience enabling you to take the lead on songs (soloist) while still blending well with others (minimal vibrato, vocal control). You should also be able to sing with modern vocal styling consistent with what you hear on a typical weekend worship service at FBC. " BUT IT IS NOTABOUT PERFORMING! NO, NO, NO!
of course the church will help you determine (AKA determine for you) if you are a super talent musician who doesn't desire a platform or opportunity to perform. <--- and...after all...isn't that ALL musicians? i mean who would devote hours, years, of practice to a improving musical (performance) skill AND be so full of themselves that they actually would choose to perform?
this is what fundie/evangelical churches do, set up a bunch of vague bullshit so they can comfortably say, 'we don't like you very well. beat it!"
the bible makes it clear that god can make significant use of defective people...the fundies and evangelicals...not so much.
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#198048 - 03/22/11 12:05 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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kan5a5
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http://fbctopeka.publishpath.com/how-to-get-involved
oops...forgot the link.
don't take my word for it. go look at the requirements for any 'emerging' church's musical VOLUNTEERS.
it's cute how mega-church pastors get rich while telling unpaid musicians that they must to prove to them over and over that their heart is in the right place. nonsense.
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#198049 - 03/22/11 12:18 PM
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kan5a5
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oh! and megachurch pastors are NEVER about performing...NO WAY, NO HOW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1sMrPEF0G8
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#198054 - 03/22/11 05:17 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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There are plenty of hypocrites at work in the churches. Men and women who are putting on a show and speaking great swelling words.
It's a smoke screen.
It's the craziest thing when non believers are able to see the lunacy of the churches while the parishoners are clueless.
It keeps the people in the dark on every side.
See?
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#198059 - 03/23/11 01:57 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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kan5a5
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as a 20 year employee of the UMC church, maybe you can help me decide where i fit in the dynamic you describe? i am lost...for now...and i know that a rigid interpretation of scripture is not going to be my pathway home.
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#198062 - 03/23/11 10:52 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ghoti
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Ronnie, I've got solid beliefs that I'm very comfortable with, and am perfectly fine with others who come to different conclusions. I'm not trying to change you or anyone since IMO each of us must find our own pathway to the creator.
What makes me PO'd is folks who go around announcing that they've found THE TRUTH and everyone who disagrees is condemned to hell. IMO that's the attitude of an immature or insecure person who has control issues.
You're more than welcome to discuss your beliefs, but when you tell us you're right and everyone else is wrong then folks are going to bristle.
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#198065 - 03/23/11 01:01 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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Ghoti, aren't you always spouting off about how I am wrong, and about how everyone agrees with you?
It's a good thing that I am tough enough to stand that sort of talk.
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#198073 - 03/23/11 07:44 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ghoti
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Ronnie, show me where I've ever said your beliefs were wrong. All I've ever asked of you (and many others) is to acknowledge that others have the right to believe differently without condemning them.
No matter how cocksure anyone is in their beliefs, our ability to perceive the vastness of the creator is so limited that no one can ever know more than a tiny part of him. We're like the blind men trying to describe an elephant, except the difference is infinitely greater.
That's why I believe your perception might be exactly right FOR YOU and mine might be exactly right FOR ME, but neither of our views are necessarily right for anyone else. Does that clarify things?
Edited by ghoti (03/23/11 07:46 PM)
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#198079 - 03/25/11 06:00 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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No matter how cocksure anyone is in their beliefs, our ability to perceive the vastness of the creator is so limited that no one can ever know more than a tiny part of him. We're like the blind men trying to describe an elephant, except the difference is infinitely greater.
Why do people say these things? It is limiting God to declare that there is no way we can know Him. He's God and He knows exactly how to reveal Himself to His creation. If He couldn't do that then I wouldn't put too much stock in Him that's for sure.
Romans:1:18: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans:1:19: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Ghoti, why is your god a god of darkness and confusion?
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#198081 - 03/25/11 10:55 AM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ghoti
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Ronnie, my point is that the creator does know how reveal himself to each of us in a way that will make sense to us individually. That way we each find our own pathway for communication. If he's really infinite then this would be a very sensible approach rather than just showing the same narrow aspect of his being to everyone.
What's dark or confusing about that?
Edited by ghoti (03/25/11 10:58 AM)
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