#197388 - 01/31/11 10:26 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Paulwa_dup1
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because He knew the scribes and Pharisees revered Abraham as their righteous father and He was putting Abraham into his place and letting them know He Himself came way before Abraham. He is the great I AM THAT I AM.
Saying we were before Abraham would mean nothing to them.
Paul
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#197416 - 02/02/11 07:26 AM
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ævory
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great post, paulwa
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#197417 - 02/02/11 08:35 AM
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Isaiah:43:8: Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
Isaiah:43:9: Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
Isaiah:43:10: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah:43:11: I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
There's more scriptures to prove that I'm not being heretical. Would you like to see them?
Edited by ronniechoate34 (02/02/11 08:35 AM)
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#197438 - 02/02/11 09:45 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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There's more scriptures to prove that I'm not being heretical. Would you like to see them?
Even after reading those verses, I'm not sure what you are saying?
Are you saying Jesus is/was not part if the Trinity (the Word)?
Edited by flicka (02/02/11 09:46 PM)
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#197440 - 02/03/11 09:31 AM
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ronniechoate34
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I believe that Jesus and God are the same. I also believe that the Holy Spirit is God. God is not three separate beings but He is one all powerful God.
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#197443 - 02/03/11 12:14 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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flicka
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Okay, thanks. I doubt any Christian here would think this belief 'heretical'.
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#197452 - 02/03/11 03:07 PM
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I think they are all God but in three manifestations of Him. The Trinity is a difficult concept for us to conceive properly.
Paul
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#197457 - 02/03/11 06:19 PM
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ævory
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God's presence is in all three. That is the comfort of never being left alone.
LOL, that sorta came out wrong because I'm sure there's plenty here who would like to be left alone by others.
[note: I too am trying to be more tolerant these days...in my reading of posts. It is a real test where I live, as well.]
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#197459 - 02/03/11 06:43 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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I think they are all God but in three manifestations of Him. The Trinity is a difficult concept for us to conceive properly.
Paul
I was confused about what you were saying,Paul. I thought that you may have other beliefs than what you've told me here. Some people believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three seprate entities and not all one and the same. I thought that you were getting at something like that. Sorry about that. Forgive me for not hearing you out on this.
I think the idea of God as three seprate beings is pagan in its origin.
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#197893 - 03/13/11 09:32 AM
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Greg
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and yet the riddle of Epicurus continues to predominate
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#197895 - 03/13/11 03:00 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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Paulwa_dup1
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I think one thing that confuses the trinity issue is Jesus..Emmanual..God with us.Jesus had to leave some of His Godly being behind with god the Father in order to take on human characteristics. I think when He died on the cross He was God. During His life He was cared for by Angels sent from the throne of God and the Father resurrected Him from death. The Holy Spirit is Godly power in Himself and expressed in God the Father and Jesus the Word, Creator of all and God Himself. Hard for our low dimensional minds to grasp.
Paul
No problem Ronnie, sometimes our words just do not show exactly what we mean.
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#197908 - 03/13/11 06:47 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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I believe that Jesus was full of the Spirit from day one because God and Jesus are always one and the same. Jesus was not a part timer at being a deity. He worked at it full time. As for the voices from heaven and the Spirit descending like a dove, these things were for impact. God could easily have spoken from heaven well before Jesus' transfiguration only to have His Words arrive right on cue just as the desciple's were ready to build the three tabernacles.
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#197910 - 03/13/11 06:56 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Also, God is powerful enough to be in two places at once. I have no idea of the wonders that God is able to work, but I know that God is not limited.
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#197911 - 03/13/11 07:05 PM
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Greg
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I know that God is not limited.
ok, then answer the riddle
and yet the riddle of Epicurus continues to predominate
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#197937 - 03/14/11 01:53 PM
Re: Jesus Died for Us
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ronniechoate34
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The real riddle is why are people so whiny and unable to accept judgement?
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