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#200929 - 12/22/11 10:43 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
BufGimp
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No Jesus was not God.

The Bible clearly teaches that the Father is greater than the Son (John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3)
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#200930 - 12/22/11 02:45 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: BufGimp]
Paulwa_dup1
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BufGimp, Jesus gave up the position when He became flesh and became lesser, leaving the Father and heaven to save mankind, therefore He serves the Father in heaven. He became a little lower than the angels in order to achieve the Godly plan of salvation.
Paul (my opinion)

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#200981 - 12/28/11 11:47 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
BufGimp
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Hi Paul,

Well did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did.
Rather, in the Bible he is call "God's Son." And he said: "The
Father is greater than I am." (John 10:34-36; 14:28) Also, Jesus
explained that there were some things that neither he nor the
angels knew but only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one
occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: "Let, not my will, but
yours take place." (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God,
he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact,
following Jesus' death, the Scripture says: "This Jesus God
resurrected." (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are
clearly to separate persons.

BufGimp (not my opinion but what the Bible teaches)
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#200982 - 12/28/11 01:13 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: BufGimp]
Paulwa_dup1
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There is God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit and they are all of one accord. According to Jesus, God the Father is supreme and Jesus rules at His right hand. I leave the fine details up to Him.
Paul :-)

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#200983 - 12/28/11 01:37 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
BufGimp
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Yes ... So if Jesus rules at His right hand then Almighty God and Jesus must be separate persons.

The Holy Spirit is God's active force, the means by which He accomplishes His purpose.

BufGimp :-)
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#200984 - 12/28/11 07:07 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: BufGimp]
Paulwa_dup1
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They are all seperate persons but they are all God with God the Father as the head. The way I look at it.
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#200997 - 12/30/11 09:04 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.

In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished.


Oh, man.....have you and I ever had much of a tangle of disagreement? no...I may not have believed as you do but I 'read' you and let you have your voice without harassment. If you took this to mean you then you are wrong.

It is a good thing Ghoti got the hell off this board Yup...aren't I cruel. The guy always reiterated that Jesus was just a prophet and a man...nothing more. IT IS BLASPHEMY he spoke. The auDASITY of you, of others who came along after his many posts to say he was the voice of reason, the man of such intelligence and knowledge of the Bible because (as he would tell us) : he had read the Bible many times and the auDASITY of the idiot Rob (sodapop) to come on this board and follow his posts or anyone's mention of a religious wonder with, "Well, Ghoti is the one you should talk to because he knows the Bible."

Then the AUDACITY of Ghoti to tell me to stop with what I feel in my heart (not logical, not worldly, not Book-Bible inside-out knowledge of...just what I know of my beliefs) so that he could go on being praised by the idiots of the board who don't really give a shit about any of it anyway except to boost his idiot ego.....

Hell, I would think my post that made you comment further, PaulI would have been more clear to you (although, i am not nearly as good at getting my point across verbally..in words here, as you all):

Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God BECAUSE of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable.

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To explain (or try): when someone comes to a religion forum to tell others that they are gullible, simple of mind like a child, easily persuaded by the masses and that it takes a (ghoti quote) 'strong person to reject religion'............that is twisted and mean and blaspheous to put Jesus in the frame of mind of 'just a man'...........and then SAY THAT THEY believe in a creator.

Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.

Glad he finally found the light.... and left.

He's not alone....there's other antagonistic rat bastards who fit that comment I made. I was mainly thinking of him, though.

truth be told:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/salvation_webpages/33-lordship_salvation_exposed.htm







Edited by ævory (12/30/11 09:06 AM)

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#200999 - 12/30/11 02:58 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
shakey56
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Originally Posted By: ævory
Originally Posted By: Paul I
Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.

In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished.


Oh, man.....have you and I ever had much of a tangle of disagreement? no...I may not have believed as you do but I 'read' you and let you have your voice without harassment. If you took this to mean you then you are wrong.

It is a good thing Ghoti got the hell off this board Yup...aren't I cruel. The guy always reiterated that Jesus was just a prophet and a man...nothing more. IT IS BLASPHEMY he spoke. The auDASITY of you, of others who came along after his many posts to say he was the voice of reason, the man of such intelligence and knowledge of the Bible because (as he would tell us) : he had read the Bible many times and the auDASITY of the idiot Rob (sodapop) to come on this board and follow his posts or anyone's mention of a religious wonder with, "Well, Ghoti is the one you should talk to because he knows the Bible."

Then the AUDACITY of Ghoti to tell me to stop with what I feel in my heart (not logical, not worldly, not Book-Bible inside-out knowledge of...just what I know of my beliefs) so that he could go on being praised by the idiots of the board who don't really give a shit about any of it anyway except to boost his idiot ego.....

Hell, I would think my post that made you comment further, PaulI would have been more clear to you (although, i am not nearly as good at getting my point across verbally..in words here, as you all):

Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God BECAUSE of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable.

__________________________________________________________________________________

To explain (or try): when someone comes to a religion forum to tell others that they are gullible, simple of mind like a child, easily persuaded by the masses and that it takes a (ghoti quote) 'strong person to reject religion'............that is twisted and mean and blaspheous to put Jesus in the frame of mind of 'just a man'...........and then SAY THAT THEY believe in a creator.

Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.

Glad he finally found the light.... and left.

He's not alone....there's other antagonistic rat bastards who fit that comment I made. I was mainly thinking of him, though.

truth be told:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/salvation_webpages/33-lordship_salvation_exposed.htm







Speaking of idiots. The only sure way to be wrong when speaking about matters of faith and religion is to speak in absolutes. We can't know. We can only believe, and no belief is superior to any other.
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#201000 - 12/30/11 05:11 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: shakey56]
Foghorn_Leghorn
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and I for one miss Ghoti and his wisdom
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#201001 - 12/30/11 06:59 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
flicka
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Did he (ghoti) leave NM?
Originally Posted By: ævory
Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........

And you wonder why PaulI thinks you include him in the rat-basards on the board?
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WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.

What place would that be? Many people believe in a higher power, but are not Christian. Following the teachings of Christ is a different thing than being "Christian". imo
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#201002 - 12/31/11 08:34 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Foghorn_Leghorn]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: Foghorn_Leghorn
and I for one miss Ghoti and his wisdom


Well aren't you special...LOL!

You being the one who always comes on Nm to say you really hadn't read the board or been around or remember anything.. or .....it's incredibly lie-acious! lol

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#201003 - 12/31/11 08:36 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: flicka]
ævory
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Did he (ghoti) leave NM?
Originally Posted By: ævory
Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........

And you wonder why PaulI thinks you include him in the rat-basards on the board?
Quote:
WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.

What place would that be? Many people believe in a higher power, but are not Christian. Following the teachings of Christ is a different thing than being "Christian". imo



No, sorry....I don't wonder a gosh darn thing. I have it figured out and did a long time ago. The idiot part about me is that I hung in here so long.

see ya hypocrits

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#201059 - 01/20/12 11:38 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
Paulwa_dup1
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Relax, guys, Jesus will be here soon and take over this global government the people have been wanting. He will straighten out this mess and rule us all with a rod of iron to force all to follow the laws of God and then peace will reign and people will be happier than they ever have been before. Praise God! Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
Paul

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#201060 - 01/21/12 01:25 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
shakey56
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Sounds just like radical Islamic intentions. They can both kiss my crippled ass!
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#201061 - 01/21/12 03:57 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
He will straighten out this mess and rule us all with a rod of iron to force all to follow the laws of God...

You really believe Jesus will FORCE us all to follow the laws of God? Really?
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