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#197155 - 01/23/11 10:47 PM Was Jesus God?
Paul I
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Posts: 7913 		I'm not sure how I ended up on this website but it was rather interesting. The writer goes about proving that Jesus is God in a
very logical and interesting way one step at a time. Well worth looking at. If you read this link, Starlight, tell me where the error in his logic is.
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#197156 - 01/23/11 10:54 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
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Loc: Washington 		I think Starlight would say the first error is in believing the bible is the word of God. But I believe the bible and from its words I know Jesus is God.
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#197157 - 01/23/11 11:57 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
flicka
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#197159 - 01/24/11 08:31 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: flicka]
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Loc: tennerida 		Jesus is still alive, and He's still a manifestation of God now and for ever. You see, God isn't three different beings. God is God and there is none beside Him. God is almighty and all things are possible through Him.


John:3:31: He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
John:3:32: And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
John:3:33: He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
John:3:34: For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John:3:35: The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John:3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


According to the scriptures I've posted Jesus did not receive the Spirit by measure. That means that Jesus had received the fullness of the Spirit of God, and so inside of Jesus' body the same Spirit that moved in the beginning of creation moves in Jesus. God left heaven and the fullness of it to dwell in the World with us. That's excellent news.

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#197163 - 01/24/11 01:00 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Loc: Tennessee 		God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - separate but the same - one of the mysteries of God.

Jesus is the Son of God and God manifested on earth in human form - fully human and fully divine at the same time.

Don't you love how this religious stuff messes with your brain? LOL Faith is not always logical.
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#197180 - 01/24/11 03:31 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
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Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255 		Paul I, you forgot to include the link.
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#197192 - 01/24/11 05:50 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ghoti]
Paul I
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Posts: 7913 		Sorry folks.

http://www.y-jesus.com/aboutus.php
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#197203 - 01/25/11 07:17 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
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#197204 - 01/25/11 08:03 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
MerryA
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
Sorry folks.

http://www.y-jesus.com/aboutus.php


Unusual site IMO - it offers perspective from different denominations with the pages it links to. I especially enjoyed looking at the Church timeline. Thanks.
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#199922 - 07/16/11 06:39 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
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Originally Posted By: ævory
"I told you when I came that I was a stranger."


BEAUTIFUL
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#199923 - 07/16/11 06:44 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
ævory
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Posts: 9657 		A believer ...a person filled with the spirit, does not need to question this.

Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God because of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable.

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#199924 - 07/16/11 06:47 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
ævory
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Posts: 9657 		and in the enlightened words of Skylark:

does it really matter?

I mean, to someone who does not believe, nor believe in the Bible, in its entirety. Circle back to the previous post to refresh memory of why anyone would need to ask this question.
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#200083 - 07/19/11 01:02 AM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: ævory]
Paul I
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Posts: 7913 		Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.

In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished.
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#200417 - 08/29/11 07:53 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
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Posts: 2 		Is Jesus Almighty God? Before I give my Biblical perspective. ALL Christians should remember Jesus Words at John 13:34,35...Love identifies TRUE Christians! So any comment should not be antagonistic, only accurate using God's Word.

Many scriptural verses present an interesting view that seems to disagree with The Trinitarian perspective.
For instance..read Colossians 1:15,16...1 Corinthians 15:20-28 and Jesus own words at Revelation 3:14 give credence to His creation and position in God's arrangement.
But an interesting fact to remember is Almighty God cannot lie or die! So a worthy question all those sincere ones who are seeking TRUTH should ask is...Did Christ DIE for us?
If so, He truly is the Son of God sent by His Father as our redeemer (READ John 3:16) and not Almighty God himself. That is the sole praise given to the Father. Jesus himself said TRUE WORSHIPPERS would worship ONLY the Father including himself. He made that very clear to a Samaritan Woman at John 4:21-24. Notice verse 23 where He said..."WE worship what we Know".
PLEASE READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES. Always read the context!!!
Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does. Recall Jesus own words at John 13:34,35 (mentioned above) to His true followers when he said..."By this ALL will know you are my disciples...IF you have Love among yourselves".
Kind Thanks..RDJW
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#200426 - 08/30/11 08:27 PM Re: Was Jesus God? [Re: Paul I]
flicka
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.

Holy cow, how did I miss this thread? WTH was I? Here's what I think:

Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: RDJW

Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does.

Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1

I personally think if you do this you will come to Jesus in time as the creator of all life.

As a child, I was taught about the Trinity and encouraged to believe in it. And, no matter how confusing the 3 in 1 concept, I had the faith to accept it...God the 'Father', God the 'Son', and God the 'Holy Spirit'. All "God", yet each has 'his' own task(s).

Now, as an adult, other Christians have given me pause and have made me question the concept of the Trinity. My faith says that God the Father is the creator of all. It claims that God the Son is our salvation, and God the Holy Spirit leads our faith. I've believed this for as long as I can remember.

In today's world, other Christians don't believe in the Trinity and I'm not sure how Jesus fits into their scenario. Also, other Christians claim Jesus Christ is the creator...huh? How can that be, when Jesus himself says he & the father are 'separate thinkers'.

Oh well, maybe none of that matters anyway?


(Spank me now, Star, please? lol)
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