#197155 - 01/23/11 10:47 PM
Was Jesus God?
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Paul I
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I'm not sure how I ended up on this website but it was rather interesting. The writer goes about proving that Jesus is God in a
very logical and interesting way one step at a time. Well worth looking at. If you read this link, Starlight, tell me where the error in his logic is.
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#197156 - 01/23/11 10:54 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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I think Starlight would say the first error is in believing the bible is the word of God. But I believe the bible and from its words I know Jesus is God.
Paul
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#197157 - 01/23/11 11:57 PM
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I'm not going to comment til I see a link!
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#197159 - 01/24/11 08:31 AM
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Jesus is still alive, and He's still a manifestation of God now and for ever. You see, God isn't three different beings. God is God and there is none beside Him. God is almighty and all things are possible through Him.
John:3:31: He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
John:3:32: And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
John:3:33: He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
John:3:34: For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John:3:35: The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John:3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
According to the scriptures I've posted Jesus did not receive the Spirit by measure. That means that Jesus had received the fullness of the Spirit of God, and so inside of Jesus' body the same Spirit that moved in the beginning of creation moves in Jesus. God left heaven and the fullness of it to dwell in the World with us. That's excellent news.
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#197163 - 01/24/11 01:00 PM
Re: Was Jesus God?
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God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - separate but the same - one of the mysteries of God. 
Jesus is the Son of God and God manifested on earth in human form - fully human and fully divine at the same time.
Don't you love how this religious stuff messes with your brain? LOL Faith is not always logical.
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#197180 - 01/24/11 03:31 PM
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Paul I, you forgot to include the link.
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#197192 - 01/24/11 05:50 PM
Re: Was Jesus God?
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Paul I
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Sorry folks.
http://www.y-jesus.com/aboutus.php
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#197203 - 01/25/11 07:17 AM
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ævory
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"I told you when I came that I was a stranger."
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#197204 - 01/25/11 08:03 AM
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MerryA
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Unusual site IMO - it offers perspective from different denominations with the pages it links to. I especially enjoyed looking at the Church timeline. Thanks.
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#199922 - 07/16/11 06:39 AM
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ævory
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"I told you when I came that I was a stranger."
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#199923 - 07/16/11 06:44 AM
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ævory
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A believer ...a person filled with the spirit, does not need to question this.
Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God because of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable.
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#199924 - 07/16/11 06:47 AM
Re: Was Jesus God?
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ævory
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and in the enlightened words of Skylark:
does it really matter?
I mean, to someone who does not believe, nor believe in the Bible, in its entirety. Circle back to the previous post to refresh memory of why anyone would need to ask this question.
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#200083 - 07/19/11 01:02 AM
Re: Was Jesus God?
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Paul I
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Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.
In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished.
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#200417 - 08/29/11 07:53 PM
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Is Jesus Almighty God? Before I give my Biblical perspective. ALL Christians should remember Jesus Words at John 13:34,35...Love identifies TRUE Christians! So any comment should not be antagonistic, only accurate using God's Word.
Many scriptural verses present an interesting view that seems to disagree with The Trinitarian perspective.
For instance..read Colossians 1:15,16...1 Corinthians 15:20-28 and Jesus own words at Revelation 3:14 give credence to His creation and position in God's arrangement.
But an interesting fact to remember is Almighty God cannot lie or die! So a worthy question all those sincere ones who are seeking TRUTH should ask is...Did Christ DIE for us?
If so, He truly is the Son of God sent by His Father as our redeemer (READ John 3:16) and not Almighty God himself. That is the sole praise given to the Father. Jesus himself said TRUE WORSHIPPERS would worship ONLY the Father including himself. He made that very clear to a Samaritan Woman at John 4:21-24. Notice verse 23 where He said..."WE worship what we Know".
PLEASE READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES. Always read the context!!!
Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does. Recall Jesus own words at John 13:34,35 (mentioned above) to His true followers when he said..."By this ALL will know you are my disciples...IF you have Love among yourselves".
Kind Thanks..RDJW
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#200426 - 08/30/11 08:27 PM
Re: Was Jesus God?
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Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.
Holy cow, how did I miss this thread? WTH was I? Here's what I think:
Many people use John 1:1 to prove the trinity but a thorough study of the original Greek shows differently.
Please remember doctrine does not identify True Christians but LOVE does.
I personally think if you do this you will come to Jesus in time as the creator of all life.
As a child, I was taught about the Trinity and encouraged to believe in it. And, no matter how confusing the 3 in 1 concept, I had the faith to accept it...God the 'Father', God the 'Son', and God the 'Holy Spirit'. All "God", yet each has 'his' own task(s). Now, as an adult, other Christians have given me pause and have made me question the concept of the Trinity. My faith says that God the Father is the creator of all. It claims that God the Son is our salvation, and God the Holy Spirit leads our faith. I've believed this for as long as I can remember. In today's world, other Christians don't believe in the Trinity and I'm not sure how Jesus fits into their scenario. Also, other Christians claim Jesus Christ is the creator...huh? How can that be, when Jesus himself says he & the father are 'separate thinkers'. Oh well, maybe none of that matters anyway?
(Spank me now, Star, please? lol)
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#200929 - 12/22/11 10:43 AM
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No Jesus was not God.
The Bible clearly teaches that the Father is greater than the Son (John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3)
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#200930 - 12/22/11 02:45 PM
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BufGimp, Jesus gave up the position when He became flesh and became lesser, leaving the Father and heaven to save mankind, therefore He serves the Father in heaven. He became a little lower than the angels in order to achieve the Godly plan of salvation.
Paul (my opinion)
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#200981 - 12/28/11 11:47 AM
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Hi Paul,
Well did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did.
Rather, in the Bible he is call "God's Son." And he said: "The
Father is greater than I am." (John 10:34-36; 14:28) Also, Jesus
explained that there were some things that neither he nor the
angels knew but only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one
occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: "Let, not my will, but
yours take place." (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God,
he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact,
following Jesus' death, the Scripture says: "This Jesus God
resurrected." (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are
clearly to separate persons.
BufGimp (not my opinion but what the Bible teaches)
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#200982 - 12/28/11 01:13 PM
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There is God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit and they are all of one accord. According to Jesus, God the Father is supreme and Jesus rules at His right hand. I leave the fine details up to Him.
Paul :-)
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#200983 - 12/28/11 01:37 PM
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Yes ... So if Jesus rules at His right hand then Almighty God and Jesus must be separate persons.
The Holy Spirit is God's active force, the means by which He accomplishes His purpose.
BufGimp :-)
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#200984 - 12/28/11 07:07 PM
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They are all seperate persons but they are all God with God the Father as the head. The way I look at it.
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#200997 - 12/30/11 09:04 AM
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ævory
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Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.
In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished.
Oh, man.....have you and I ever had much of a tangle of disagreement? no...I may not have believed as you do but I 'read' you and let you have your voice without harassment. If you took this to mean you then you are wrong.
It is a good thing Ghoti got the hell off this board  Yup...aren't I cruel. The guy always reiterated that Jesus was just a prophet and a man...nothing more. IT IS BLASPHEMY he spoke. The auDASITY of you, of others who came along after his many posts to say he was the voice of reason, the man of such intelligence and knowledge of the Bible because (as he would tell us) : he had read the Bible many times and the auDASITY of the idiot Rob (sodapop) to come on this board and follow his posts or anyone's mention of a religious wonder with, "Well, Ghoti is the one you should talk to because he knows the Bible."
Then the AUDACITY of Ghoti to tell me to stop with what I feel in my heart (not logical, not worldly, not Book-Bible inside-out knowledge of...just what I know of my beliefs) so that he could go on being praised by the idiots of the board who don't really give a shit about any of it anyway except to boost his idiot ego.....
Hell, I would think my post that made you comment further, PaulI would have been more clear to you (although, i am not nearly as good at getting my point across verbally..in words here, as you all):
Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God BECAUSE of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable.
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To explain (or try): when someone comes to a religion forum to tell others that they are gullible, simple of mind like a child, easily persuaded by the masses and that it takes a (ghoti quote) 'strong person to reject religion'............that is twisted and mean and blaspheous to put Jesus in the frame of mind of 'just a man'...........and then SAY THAT THEY believe in a creator.
Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.
Glad he finally found the light.... and left.
He's not alone....there's other antagonistic rat bastards who fit that comment I made. I was mainly thinking of him, though.
truth be told:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/salvation_webpages/33-lordship_salvation_exposed.htm
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#200999 - 12/30/11 02:58 PM
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Well Rhonda, this antagonistic rat bastard realizes that not everyone is blessed with your blind faith an thus may go through a process of questioning before they arrive at a conclusion.
In this State of fundamentalists, evangelicals, etc. i am well aware of what unquestioning faith can mean. All too frequently it means trying to force others to follow someone else's beliefs. In general they are fearful, unhappy, frustrated lot of believers buried in guilt and the need to punish or be punished. Oh, man.....have you and I ever had much of a tangle of disagreement? no...I may not have believed as you do but I 'read' you and let you have your voice without harassment. If you took this to mean you then you are wrong. It is a good thing Ghoti got the hell off this board Yup...aren't I cruel. The guy always reiterated that Jesus was just a prophet and a man...nothing more. IT IS BLASPHEMY he spoke. The auDASITY of you, of others who came along after his many posts to say he was the voice of reason, the man of such intelligence and knowledge of the Bible because (as he would tell us) : he had read the Bible many times and the auDASITY of the idiot Rob (sodapop) to come on this board and follow his posts or anyone's mention of a religious wonder with, "Well, Ghoti is the one you should talk to because he knows the Bible." Then the AUDACITY of Ghoti to tell me to stop with what I feel in my heart (not logical, not worldly, not Book-Bible inside-out knowledge of...just what I know of my beliefs) so that he could go on being praised by the idiots of the board who don't really give a shit about any of it anyway except to boost his idiot ego..... Hell, I would think my post that made you comment further, PaulI would have been more clear to you (although, i am not nearly as good at getting my point across verbally..in words here, as you all): Now, an antagonistic rat-bastard of a reject who is so very full of themselves and self-centered enough to think that they should ignore or question the fact of Jesus being God BECAUSE of hate or some twisted concept of what it is to be gullible or naive or easily persuaded by the masses or ...boy, I could go on forever with these twisted concepts..but, you understand that questioning is unbelievable. __________________________________________________________________________________ To explain (or try): when someone comes to a religion forum to tell others that they are gullible, simple of mind like a child, easily persuaded by the masses and that it takes a (ghoti quote) 'strong person to reject religion'............that is twisted and mean and blaspheous to put Jesus in the frame of mind of 'just a man'...........and then SAY THAT THEY believe in a creator. Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place. Glad he finally found the light.... and left. He's not alone....there's other antagonistic rat bastards who fit that comment I made. I was mainly thinking of him, though. truth be told: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/salvation_webpages/33-lordship_salvation_exposed.htm
Speaking of idiots. The only sure way to be wrong when speaking about matters of faith and religion is to speak in absolutes. We can't know. We can only believe, and no belief is superior to any other.
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#201000 - 12/30/11 05:11 PM
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and I for one miss Ghoti and his wisdom
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#201001 - 12/30/11 06:59 PM
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Did he (ghoti) leave NM?
Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me.........
And you wonder why PaulI thinks you include him in the rat-basards on the board?
WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place.
What place would that be? Many people believe in a higher power, but are not Christian. Following the teachings of Christ is a different thing than being "Christian". imo
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#201002 - 12/31/11 08:34 AM
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ævory
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and I for one miss Ghoti and his wisdom
Well aren't you special...LOL!
You being the one who always comes on Nm to say you really hadn't read the board or been around or remember anything.. or .....it's incredibly lie-acious! lol
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#201003 - 12/31/11 08:36 AM
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ævory
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Did he (ghoti) leave NM? Ghoti just irks me...you all just erk me......... And you wonder why PaulI thinks you include him in the rat-basards on the board? WHEN one says they are a Christian and a believer and they ...just like bumps on a log...NEVER speak up to put that one in his place. What place would that be? Many people believe in a higher power, but are not Christian. Following the teachings of Christ is a different thing than being "Christian". imo
No, sorry....I don't wonder a gosh darn thing. I have it figured out and did a long time ago. The idiot part about me is that I hung in here so long.
see ya hypocrits
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#201059 - 01/20/12 11:38 PM
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Relax, guys, Jesus will be here soon and take over this global government the people have been wanting. He will straighten out this mess and rule us all with a rod of iron to force all to follow the laws of God and then peace will reign and people will be happier than they ever have been before. Praise God! Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
Paul
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#201060 - 01/21/12 01:25 PM
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Sounds just like radical Islamic intentions. They can both kiss my crippled ass!
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#201061 - 01/21/12 03:57 PM
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He will straighten out this mess and rule us all with a rod of iron to force all to follow the laws of God...
You really believe Jesus will FORCE us all to follow the laws of God? Really?
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#201063 - 01/21/12 05:34 PM
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Those who love God will want to follow those laws..during the 7 year tribulation many will survive who are not wholly following Gods laws. The bible does say Jesus will rule with a rod of iron and force people to obey the rules of the land imposed by God for the sake of peace and harmony. He does say that those who refuse to go to Jerusalem, the mountain of God for worship and training would suffer with lack of rain for their crops as punishment. All this will happen during the 1000 year millenium under the rule of Christ our king. Says this in the bible, I an only believe what Jesus says will be, Flicka.
Paul
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#201131 - 01/30/12 12:14 PM
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I never said I was leaving NM. I've just been busy with other activities in the real world. Nice to know that you miss me, Ronda - too bad your faith is so fragile that it can't tolerate opposing viewpoints.
If you despise me and my views of religion so much, why do you keep coming to PQ and pestering me and others?
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