#197313 - 01/27/11 09:44 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people and I didn't think they considered Him to be deity in that He did not die for mans sins as the bible declares and also declares Him as God.
Muslims do believe Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of God. Most Jews don't even consider him. Muslims do believe Jesus will defeat the 'antichrist'.
Flicka don't you have a family member who is Muslim? If so you would be lenient in that direction as I probably woud be also maybe.
Our niece & nephew are Muslim. But, lenient in what regard, Paul? Like I said, I don't follow either the Muslim, or Jewish faith, so I don't care who they believe in.
Edited by flicka (01/27/11 09:46 PM)
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#197314 - 01/27/11 09:46 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Islam sees Jesus as a prophet on par with those of the Old Testament, and sees Mohammed as the final prophet. Of course Mormons see Joseph Smith as a modern prophet as well. Neither of them really view Jesus as equal to God or believe in the Trinity.
ETA: I see that Flicka was posting while I was writing this.
Edited by ghoti (01/27/11 09:49 PM)
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#197315 - 01/27/11 09:55 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?
Some things I've read about Middle East history lately are giving me a sick feeling that the warring between the Arabs & Jews started over a water source.
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#197316 - 01/27/11 10:32 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Two more things... 
Not many things that are logical are true.
I call foul!
From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people
Just an FYI, "Muslim holy people" are the exact same people we see as our 'founders'. Adam, Moses, etc...
Edited by flicka (01/27/11 10:32 PM)
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#197318 - 01/28/11 07:02 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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nevermind
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#197324 - 01/28/11 12:22 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Ghoti from what I understand Africa is the largest christian nation in the world today. America has dropped away from being the largest christian nation.
erm, africa is a continent, not a nation.
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#197326 - 01/28/11 01:07 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:
Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence
Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence
Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence
Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?
i think gods evolve according to the needs of the societies they serve.
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#197331 - 01/28/11 01:27 PM
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Too much arguing here for me. I know what the bible says and it is the only words I will follow. Carry on without me.
Thanks
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#197334 - 01/28/11 02:22 PM
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flicka
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I actually don't see any argument here...just everyone's opinions.
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#197335 - 01/28/11 02:25 PM
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Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:
Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence
Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence
Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence
Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God? i think gods evolve according to the needs of the societies they serve.
ain't that convenient?
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#197523 - 02/08/11 07:47 AM
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I think we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps.
In reality, we'll probably just die and nothing happens...But I like identifying with Christianity as I understand it and I like the Christian Church community. I guess that's enough for me. I'm sure the deep thinkers like PaulI and Ghoti will laugh and pontificate on how uneducated I am as they are the cat's ass deep thinkers and academics, but it is what is and I hold my own, in any venue.
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#197525 - 02/08/11 09:03 AM
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I think we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps.
In reality, we'll probably just die and nothing happens...But I like identifying with Christianity as I understand it and I like the Christian Church community.
Then you should be aware that the only thing that we know about heaven is that we will be as the angels there. We can also be sure that we don't have a clue what that will be like. It's highly unlikely that we will be sitting around strumming a harp for the LORD all of the time. But if we are asked to make music for God that's a good thing.
Most likely there will be important business for us to attend to. I am not sure what that work will be, but I'll gurantee that you'll love your job, and your LORD even more. There'll be no sick days, and you will always find that God has granted you the power to perform your mighty tasks.
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#197529 - 02/08/11 12:01 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Also there has probably been a tremendous amount of energy that has been bestowed upon the angels. I am sure that the feeling an angel has is like no drug on earth.
People want to equate the here after with earthly things and that's a terrible mistake. Things like that are the reason people like ghoti think that the heavenly realm might be a boring place to spend eternity. That's all a lot of rubbish of course, and heaven will be anything but idle and dull.
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#197530 - 02/08/11 12:11 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Well just my opinion from what I read in the bible and how I view it. First as for being like angels the scriptures only mention that in respect to marriage and husbands and wives. We will be unmarried except to a covenant with Jesus our king who will be the most important person in our lives. We will all be creatyors at somelevel just as our God is the master creator. (Our creativity will be in making things, whether crops and farming or creating and designing some items. Commerce will be carried on at the perfect level in that it will not be done to aquire riches but will be used for beauty and or trading worth. No one will go hungry or be sick and will live forever in perfect harmony as God originally for us. Every person will bet 100 percent appy and satisfied pleasing God with our activities and loving Him and all people. I think all races will be onthe new heavens and new eartt. During the 1000 year millenium it will be much the same way but not perfectly as there will still be some evil encroaching the earth but much less than it is now because jesus will reign over the earth with a mission to do the final purging of evil at the end of that age. The new Jerusalem will have streets paved in gold with the appearance of glass as will the walls of the city all around. I don't know if there will be money but there might be for exchange. One thinjg for sure every person will feel fulfilled and be doing what they prefer to do according to their own special abilities. Whatever needs there is God will take care of them. One thing I believe is that tere will be no wastes anywhere. Toilets, garbage cans etc. will be unknown because our bodies will be perfect and absorb foods totally and there will be no need for packaging because each person will have what they need or desire and commodities needed will go to the individual. Sounds like heaven doesn't it? :-)
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#197533 - 02/08/11 02:50 PM
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That shot was below the belt, Corey. I recall years ago when you first posted I was in awe of the breadth of your life experiences.I recall urging you, probably out of line, to take your unique military experience and somehow enlighten we armchair generals. You have corrected many of my military/international
affairs/solutions posts and I have nearly always yielded to
your boots on the ground experience. Insofar as religion is concerned I am still pretty much in search mode so if I come across
as a know-it-all it's either being a devil's advocate or convincing my self as well.
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