#197267 - 01/26/11 04:42 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend.
Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?
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#197271 - 01/26/11 07:12 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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yoda
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I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend. Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?
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#197273 - 01/26/11 08:25 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Deo
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If belief in Jesus is truly the ONLY pathway to heaven, then God has enormously stacked the deck in our favor and against most of the rest of the world.
Ghoti, just finished a book by Daniel Everett-"Don't sleep there are snakes" about an amazing tribe in the Amazon called the Piraha who resisted all efforts by missionaries to convert them. Here is a synopsis: A riveting account of the astonishing experiences and discoveries made by linguist Daniel Everett while he lived with the Pirahã, a small tribe of Amazonian Indians in central Brazil. Daniel Everett arrived among the Pirahã with his wife and three young children hoping to convert the tribe to Christianity. Everett quickly became obsessed with their language and its cultural and linguistic implications. The Pirahã have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property. Everett was so impressed with their peaceful way of life that he eventually lost faith in the God he'd hoped to introduce to them, and instead devoted his life to the science of linguistics. Part passionate memoir, part scientific exploration, Everett's life-changing tale is riveting look into the nature of language, thought, and life itself.
Really interesting reading.
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#197275 - 01/26/11 09:02 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend. Is your God & his Allah the same deity ? NO
Does he believe Allah is the same deity as your God?
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#197276 - 01/26/11 09:04 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Ghoti from what I understand Africa is the largest christian nation in the world today. America has dropped away from being the largest christian nation.
Ronnie 19:18 took place in my opinion way back in old testament days, however God will always have a remnant who have never bowed to satans idols. Jesus took all our sins upon Himself if we turn to Him and no one can snatch them out of His hand of those God has given Him.
Allah is a figment of Islam imagination offered by Mohammed.
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#197277 - 01/26/11 09:08 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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The Pirahã have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property.
It's funny, I was talking with my husband about this a few days ago after spending time outside watching the creatures.
Humans are such funny creatures in that we have created all this 'stuff' and an entire industry around what we perceive as 'purposes in life'.
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#197295 - 01/27/11 01:39 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Personally, I find the idea of an afterlife where we will be restored to our actual bodies and minds and spend eternity walking around and interacting with others infinitely boring. There are quite frankly a whole bunch of people I've met in life that I hope to never see again in life, let alone spend eternity with.
It might take many thousands of years to meet and talk to every saved person who had ever lived in the history of the earth, but then what? Most people talk about their families, jobs, places they've been and things they've done, and that's about it. Most people really aren't all that interesting after about the first 5-10 minutes of conversation anyway.
So you'd probably develop a small circle of friends out of the whole bunch that were worth talking to for an extended time, but even that would get old eventually since you wouldn't have much new to say. Seems awful dull to me.
That's why IMO it just isn't going to be that way. My view is that our individual life force is going to be reunited with that of the creator and we will lose our individual identity and become a part of him (her/it).
I suspect that's where we were before we were born except we have no memory of it, and we simply return there when we die.
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#197301 - 01/27/11 07:08 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?
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Does he believe Allah is the same deity as your God?[/quote]
He would consider allah to be the same God as of the bible, but deny the teaching about God having a son or about the Holy Spirit. He was taught that Mohammed (the last prophet) was given the Koran to correct all the errors and changes of the bible.
At one time I thought their allah was the same as the God of the bible and they just didn’t have things ‘right’ concerning Jesus. But allah clearly is not the God of the bible. The teaching in the Koran about Jesus is totally anti-christ , denying the incarnation, death and resurrection.
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#197302 - 01/27/11 07:56 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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I imagine Allah is more like G-d of the Hebrew Bible.
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#197304 - 01/27/11 08:20 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Flicka I just don't know how you can say that. Allah makes believers to be warriors doing his work. The God of the bible came to earth as a man to die for mans sins and spreads love not hate and killing. The earlyIsrael days of war are the exception and one day I will ask God about that though I think I understand it well enough. God is love allah is not the hebrew God and never will be. I think having a Muslim as a family member clouds your judgement and I can understand how that would be but you need to read both books and compare the character of the God of the bible and of the Koran. They are very different and Jesus is stripped of his deity and placed under the righteous glory that is His in order to favor the god of the koran.
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#197306 - 01/27/11 08:39 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Ghoti your view of people interaction in heaven does not sound like you attribute God's influence on everyone in any way. Being with the creator lifts human life into a whole new dimension and it will be nothing like what you are describing. You need to take the saviour Jesus Christ and God the Father and the HolySpirit and the Holy sangels into account. Human joy will rise towards infinity in that realm. Humanity of secular nature would not take this all into account. Since you relegate the bible as equal to all other supposed holy books of the nations you relegate the creator to an unknown and not really knowable and I can see how boredom would arise out of that viewpoint in time.
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#197307 - 01/27/11 08:43 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Also God is perfection and doesn't need to be added too, regardless of a mans worth or goodness. He needs nothing in His perfection. Adding a man back to the Godhead seems pretty new age and of faulty logic. Not many things that are logical are true.
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#197308 - 01/27/11 09:22 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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flicka
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God is love allah is not the hebrew God and never will be. I think having a Muslim as a family member clouds your judgement and I can understand how that would be but you need to read both books and compare the character of the God of the bible and of the Koran.
My statement was meant to say that Allah & G-d are similar in respect to their POV of Jesus Christ as deity.
What makes you think my judgement is clouded, Paul? I do not follow either the Jewish, or Muslim religions.
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#197309 - 01/27/11 09:31 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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ghoti
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Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:
Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence
Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence
Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence
Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?
Edited by ghoti (01/27/11 09:33 PM)
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#197310 - 01/27/11 09:34 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people and I didn't think they considered Him to be deity in that He did not die for mans sins as the bible declares and also declares Him as God.
Flicka don't you have a family member who is Muslim? If so you would be lenient in that direction as I probably woud be also maybe.
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