#197236 - 01/25/11 09:00 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
ghoti
Member
Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 8469
Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255
|
Yoda, your writing style seems familiar somehow. Have you been a member here under a different name in the past?
_________________________
Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197239 - 01/26/11 04:14 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
christine6
Member
Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 2640
Loc: England, Yorkshire
|
When you go to sleep you know nothing, unless you are dreaming. Death will be like that, nothingness. The bible was written by men, how can you accept word for word everything that is written in it as total truth. A lot of it was passed around by word of mouth before it was written down. If you start a story at one end of your street and get all your neighbours to pass it on each one will add something to story. When you reach the end of the street the story will have evolved and changed beyond recognition from the original.
I would agree with Ghoti about us having a spark inside us, and were it not for the fact that we sleep and no nothing about it or the time that has passed while we were asleep, I would hope that this spark would continue in some form after death.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197240 - 01/26/11 04:17 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: christine6]
|
christine6
Member
Registered: 04/28/08
Posts: 2640
Loc: England, Yorkshire
|
Everyone has the capability to do good or evil in their lives, I think religious beliefs are ways of promoting good behaviour and giving order to life. Everyone knows right from wrong, it is down to the individual to live accordingly. Kindness and love come from within and you do not need a book to tell you to say help an elderly neighbour or not steal or kill etc.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197244 - 01/26/11 09:52 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: christine6]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
People who don't believe in judgment are silly, not only that they are in for a rude awakening.
I'm astonied by these people.
I can't wrap my mind around it. It's just too unbelievable for words.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197246 - 01/26/11 10:37 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ronniechoate34]
|
ghoti
Member
Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 8469
Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255
|
What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.
If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?
_________________________
Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197248 - 01/26/11 11:29 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ronniechoate34]
|
Deo
Member
Registered: 02/11/08
Posts: 127
|
Ain't you just itching to save us Ronnie.
Deo
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197249 - 01/26/11 12:24 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: Deo]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
Ain't you just itching to save us Ronnie.
Deo
Now how in the world could I do that?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197252 - 01/26/11 12:29 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.
If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?
Yup.
God is sovereign, He curses who he will and He dispenses His blessings the same way.
Sorry if that makes you mad but God isn't affected by that. You either love God or you hate Him and there's no real middle ground to stand on. We can't change the truth of God one iota with our own thoughts about how we believe that God should be.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197254 - 01/26/11 12:34 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ronniechoate34]
|
Paulwa_dup1
Member
Registered: 02/12/05
Posts: 4951
Loc: Washington
|
The gospel will be preached to every creature around the world, then the end of the age will come. Everyone will have a chance to hear the gospel and those whom the spirit of God calls will be saved. There are many who will not listen to His voice and will go their own way and thus chose their own final destination.
Paul
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197255 - 01/26/11 01:08 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: Paulwa_dup1]
|
ghoti
Member
Registered: 04/06/02
Posts: 8469
Loc: Ishpeming, MI 75.128.229.255
|
We were raised in a culture where Christianity dominates and most of us were widely exposed to it from an early age. If someone is raised in a culture where some other religion is dominant and Christianity is violently suppressed, what is the likelihood that they would ever accept Jesus?
If belief in Jesus is truly the ONLY pathway to heaven, then God has enormously stacked the deck in our favor and against most of the rest of the world. If that's the way things really work then heaven is going to be jammed full with folks from North and South America and Europe with damned few from the Middle East, Africa, or Asia.
I refuse to believe that the creator would be that unfair and capricious.
Edited by ghoti (01/26/11 01:09 PM)
_________________________
Feisty survivors populate this site. Avoid controversies unless you have a very thick skin.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197258 - 01/26/11 01:36 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
Well, I have often said that God is just and who knows how He will deal with those who never had a chance. God will do as He pleases in judgment, and He will also be fair about it. No other judge could be more fair than God Himself.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197261 - 01/26/11 03:02 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
yoda
Member
Registered: 06/21/03
Posts: 36
Loc: PA
|
Yoda, your writing style seems familiar somehow. Have you been a member here under a different name in the past?
ghoti, I had originally signed on under my first name before 2003 but posted very few times. Couldn't get back in '03 so just rejoined. Haven't changed since, never posted much but pop occasionaly to see whats going on. Just thought i'd jump in on this subject.
russ / yoda
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197262 - 01/26/11 04:12 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: Paulwa_dup1]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
God will save those He intended to save. None of them will escape their salvatioin and Jesus Christ will never fail. He will never look into hell and say how he had tried to save any and failed.
The Bible is clear about this.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197263 - 01/26/11 04:17 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ghoti]
|
yoda
Member
Registered: 06/21/03
Posts: 36
Loc: PA
|
What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.
If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?
Ghoti, before I got ‘saved,’ ‘born again,’ ‘saw the light,’ or whatever you want to call it, I came to the realization God could heal me or ‘save’ me and people would say ‘isn’t God good!” or if I killed myself and went to hell people might say, ‘poor guy, got what he deserved.’ Both would be correct. I am just glad it is God’s desire that no one perish or go to hell. He made a way so we don’t have to!
When it comes to people of other countries who haven’t heard I just rest in the fact that God is ‘just.’ There a verse that says, “shall not the judge of all the earth do what is right?” I am confident that He will.
I have a muslim friend who lives in Turkey. I started writing to him back in 1985 when he was still in high school. He has since did his required time in the military, married, has two children and is a Judge/lawyer. We still keep in contact by e-mail and video chat, his children sent me drawings to ‘their American uncle.’ He is a devout muslim and gave me a copy of the Koran written in english. I have sent him some books of the new testament printed in Turkish. We have exchanged gifts, and thoughts about our faiths, He is a good man. But I think lost.
The bible teaches Jesus DIED for our sins and rose from the dead. The Koran teaches Jesus was born of a virgin, was a good man and a prophet but he wasn’t crucified nor die for our sins. The Koran says God made Judas to look like Jesus, and Judas was the one who was crucified. Which is true? The bible teaches us to give our lives for others, the Koran teaches to kill others for God. Many religions teach many things but there is only one truth. But which one? My bible says ‘you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free.’ Jesus said, “when the spirit of truth comes, (Holy Spirit) he will lead you into all truth.” I stake my eternal destiny on what Jesus said and did. I don’t think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend. I still pray and believe for my muslim friend’s salvation and hope to see him and his family in heaven. My understanding is, there is only one way to be saved, but it is inclusive. Who soever will may come, only believe.
p.s. Ghoti, I have heard so many people are becoming believers in china, it may soon be the largest Christian nation. Many coming to faith in Africa, Brazil, Argentina as well!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#197264 - 01/26/11 04:18 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
[Re: ronniechoate34]
|
ronniechoate34
Member
Registered: 02/06/10
Posts: 540
Loc: tennerida
|
1Kings:19:16: And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
1Kings:19:17: And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
1Kings:19:18: Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
What does verse 19:18 say to you about our salvation , Paul?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
