#197196 - 01/24/11 08:11 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Yoda, the question wasn't whether you believe in an afterlife, it was this:
What do you think the afterlife will be like?
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#197208 - 01/25/11 08:34 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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ronniechoate34
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Ronnie, do you believe the description of heaven in the bible, or do you think it is just an analogy
Where is a description of heaven in the Bible?
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#197212 - 01/25/11 10:21 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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#197218 - 01/25/11 11:44 AM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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yoda
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Yoda, the question wasn't whether you believe in an afterlife, it was this: What do you think the afterlife will be like?
Ghoti, I really believe the afterlife for believers in Jesus is going to be amazing. From my understanding of scripture and books I’ve read, it will be glorious beyond human comprehension…
1 Cor 2:9
"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"b—
John 14:2-4
2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
I am sure a house or room God builds will make our earthly homes seem shabby! First, scripture teaches when we die our spirit is instantly with the Lord. And also says in His presence is fullness of joy, peace, security. The city (heaven) described in revelations is 1,400 miles squared.
Rev 21:15-21
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.* 17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick* (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. 19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:* the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.
It talks about music, eating food, wearing robes. From questions martyrs asked, it appears they are aware and interested in things happening on earth. We will retain memories and our distinct recognizable personalities. God placed creativity in us that I believe will be expressed for all eternity. It will be ongoing revelations and discoveries about God and creation. It will be interesting to interact with persons who live thousands of years ago.
And of course to actually see and stand in the presence of creator God and millions of angels.. descriptions of colors sights, sounds, fragrance and such. Each person will have a position and purpose in the kingdom!
Of course, for those who reject the gospel of Jesus will be excluded from God’s presence and kingdom to what is described as an eternal afterlife of ‘outer darkness,’ torment, regret, loneliness, unquenchable thirst, fire, etc. (created for satan and the angels who rebelled).
No human needs to suffer that fate and God doesn’t want any of us to be there. That’s why HE made a way for us through his own blood to be brought back to the original place He intended for us. It is my understanding the afterlife when we die ‘in Christ’ will go to that place called heaven or new Jerusalem which will at some point after resurrection come down and be joined with the new earth.
In short, I expect the afterlife to be exciting, challenging, and a transformation and continuation of what we are now!
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#197221 - 01/25/11 12:30 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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Deo
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You die and that's it.
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#197224 - 01/25/11 03:20 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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For moral and good unbelievers in Jesus Christ you are probably right Deo.
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#197225 - 01/25/11 03:30 PM
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Greg
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What? No 40 virgins?
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#197226 - 01/25/11 04:15 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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soda
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russell, steve (ghoti) asked what you think the afterlife is and not what scriptures says it is--if you believe the word then say i believe what the bible says.
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#197228 - 01/25/11 04:59 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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ronniechoate34
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For moral and good unbelievers in Jesus Christ you are probably right Deo.
Paul
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#197229 - 01/25/11 05:01 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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ronniechoate34
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I do believe in the new Jerusalem.
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#197231 - 01/25/11 05:31 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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I believe and see the afterlife will be a kingdom rule by God who is Jesus Christ. He will also be everyman's judge. Afterlife now when you pass on (as a believing christian) is to go instantly to be with all other believers in Paradise. At this time Paradise is a spiritual place for its inhabitants. Paradise is a wonderful peaceful place whether a physical place or not is not known for sure but it has been made a part of God's heaven when Jesus took te inhabitants from a place called the bosom of Abraham seperated from hades by an impassable gulf. When Jesus died and was in the grave He free'd believers and moved them to Parsadise. But I haven't described the afterlife yet. I fdon't know what lifre is like in Paradise, only that it is a peaceful place to wait for the end of the age of Grace.
When the rapture occurs all believers will receive eternal bodies like Christ's made of flesh and bone but whereas the blood was the life giving part of man it will no longer be a part of man because all life will come from God Himself. The fdead will receive their bodies first and then those who are alive and remain will be caught up and receive theirs. At the end of the seven years of great tribulation Jesus and His people will return and every eye shall see His return. He will destroy all those who are coming against Israel to destroy them. He will set up His kingdom and rule from the Temple and throne of David in Jerusalem. The land will be divided for the temple, the twelve tribes of Israel and their imigrants who live peacefully with them. The remaining nations will have the lands they have come from and peace, security and productivity will reign supreme. There will be food for all and special jobs for all that will perfectly satisfy their abilities and desires. The people raptured with Jesus will reign and rule with Christ running the worl which is being totally renewed. The heavens will be restored to stability. So their will to two types of people on the earth for 1000 years. The human races who live through the tribulation and the eternal church of Jesus in the ruling class. What does Jesus say about that? He says those who desire to rule must be servants to all. It will be love for all that will drive tthis kingdom and economy. The lands and oceans will flourish with foods grown and life in the seas. People will live to more than 100 years of age. 100 will be a very early age to die and people will wonder at early deaths.
Every year peoples of the nations will be required to come to Jerusalem to worship and learn about God. If they dont come the blessings of God that gives rain and weather to their crops will be withheld till the have a change of heart and repent. Not all humans will be saved in that 1000 years. Some will be drawn to satan who is released for a time and gathers an army to attack Jesus and His kingdom. They will all be destroyed and that age will end. At that time all humans will be brought before the heavenly white throne for judgement where they will be judged from the books of heaven and receive the punishment they have chosen by their lives.
God brings the New Jerusalem to earth and dwells with mankind who are saved. The streetgs of the New Jerusalem will be paved with pure gold like glass. The city will be 1500 mile wide and 1500 miles long. It will be either in the shape of a pyramid or a square box shape. The river of life will flow out of the city and be lined with the tree's of life. Their will be a high wall completely encircling the city and there will be three gates on each side, one for every tribe of Israel and it will be made of one pearl. The wall will be made of precious stones. The new earth and heavens will be beautiful. To me it still looks as if there will be humans still bearing children, and Jesus' church who will be as the angels and not bare children nor be married. There will be several types of Angels who live there and are known as messengers of God. We know it will be more beatiful than we can imagine and life there will be totally unbelievable in it's happiness and life with our creator who will be the total light of that holy domain.
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#197232 - 01/25/11 05:33 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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yoda
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russell, steve (ghoti) asked what you think the afterlife is and not what scriptures says it is--if you believe the word then say i believe what the bible says.
Hi Rob
I just took for granted it would be understood that I believed what I wrote. Yes, I BELIEVE what the bible says about the afterlife.
Just saying 'I believe the bible' doesn't let anyone know exactly what I believe. Confused yet?
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#197233 - 01/25/11 06:14 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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soda
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i got you, but my guess is steve knows the most-pertinent parts of the bible that deal w/the incorporeal.
enjoying the snow? hey i got 6,000+ miles already. nice to 'see' you!
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#197234 - 01/25/11 06:28 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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yoda
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i got you, but my guess is steve knows the most-pertinent parts of the bible that deal w/the incorporeal.
enjoying the snow? hey i got 6,000+ miles already. nice to 'see' you!
I was told years ago by one of my teachers not to take for granted that he knows what i'm talking about.  I think about heaven / afterlife a lot these days, sounds better all the time!
Hey, congrats on the van! It must be working well to rack up 6,000 miles. I just turned 11,000 on my '09
Snow looks pretty, i'm ready for spring. Forecast is 4 - 6 inches of snow here again tomorrow. see ya!
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#197235 - 01/25/11 08:58 PM
Re: What's your view of the afterlife?
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ghoti
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There are over 6 billion people alive in the world right now and roughly 2 billion consider themselves Christians of one denomination or other. That leaves 4 billion others, most of whom live in countries where another religion other than Christianity dominates. Those people are indoctrinated into those religions from a very early age and often have little or no exposure to Christian teachings.
With all due respect to all Christian believers here, I find it hard to believe that those 4 billion and all who came before them are shut out from the glories of the afterlife. I've read the Bible quite thoroughly and know exactly what it says, but the holy books of other religions tell their followers very different things and they believe them just as strongly as Christians believe in the Bible.
My personal belief is that the creator will judge us by what we have done in life and not which religion we follow, but of course others disagree.
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