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#197146 - 01/23/11 10:40 AM What's your view of the afterlife?
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I'm pretty sure nobody really believes we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps (LOL). Different faiths have a variety of views of what (if anything) happens to us after death.

If you've given it any thought, what do you think the afterlife will actually be like?
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#197148 - 01/23/11 02:43 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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I think, when the brain dies, there is absolutely nothing. And what is so bad or frightening about that. I consider myself a Christian, but am perplexed about an afterlife, perhaps my Faith is weak.
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#197149 - 01/23/11 03:47 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: boogerman]
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My view is that we each have some driving force or spark inside us that was placed there by the creator. It makes the difference between a living organism and just a collection of dead chemicals. IMO that spark returns to the creator when we die and we are reunited with him in that way.

I also feel that we make that spark stronger or weaker depending on how we have lived our lives, and that plays into how we are evaluated. The main body of the energy force making up the creator is either strengthened or diminished depending on each of us.

Just my personal opinion, of course, and most will certainly disagree.
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#197151 - 01/23/11 06:32 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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My idea of the afterlife is similar to ghoti's but we differ on a few thoughts.

I think that our spark is negative or positive depending on how we have lived our lives, and that plays into what energy our spark is attracted toward. I don't think the main body of the energy force making up the Almighty Power(s) is either strengthened or diminished depending on each of us. I think it is our energy that is rejuvinated, or sapped of strength.
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#197152 - 01/23/11 06:46 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: boogerman]
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Originally Posted By: boogerman
I think, when the brain dies, there is absolutely nothing. And what is so bad or frightening about that.

I don't know why people are afraid of there being nothingness. I am not worried about this possibility in the least.
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#197153 - 01/23/11 06:55 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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This is from an article in the current Wired online.

"In the weird world of quantum physics, two linked particles can share a single fate, even when they’re miles apart.

Now, two physicists have mathematically described how this spooky effect, called entanglement, could also bind particles across time.

If their proposal can be tested, it could help process information in quantum computers and test physicists’ basic understanding of the universe.
You can send your quantum state into the future without traversing the middle time,” said quantum physicist S. Jay Olson of Australia’s University of Queensland, lead author of the new study."

My belief in the afterlife centers around these concepts which allows the energy or "soul" of our life too exist across time and space. What the nature of that life would be like is pretty unexplainable. It does make me wonder if we will exist in a different state or in a different physical location.

Check out the article on wired.com.


Edited by Paul I (01/23/11 07:36 PM)
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#197160 - 01/24/11 08:49 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paul I]
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The afterlife is for judgment.


We are appointed 1 death. And after that there's judgment.


Ecclesiastes:3:17: I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.


Ecclesiastes:11:9: Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

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#197164 - 01/24/11 01:09 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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I think we are "born again" and again until we reach a state of knowing and move to the next plain. Yep, I'm mixing modern Christianity with reincarnation. And if I'm wrong, no big deal. I have been sealed as Christ's own forever so whatever is on the other side will be good.

I used to think about it a great deal now I'm kinda zen-ish.
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#197166 - 01/24/11 01:18 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: MerryA]
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Ronnie, what happens after the judgement? What do you see as existence once that has taken place?

Eternity is a long time - what will it be like?
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#197167 - 01/24/11 01:18 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paul I]
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
My belief in the afterlife centers around these concepts which allows the energy or "soul" of our life too exist across time and space. What the nature of that life would be like is pretty unexplainable. It does make me wonder if we will exist in a different state or in a different physical location.


There is a book trilogy that deals specifically with this that I love - The Oversoul Seven Trilogy by Jane Roberts.
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#197170 - 01/24/11 01:25 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: MerryA]
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Originally Posted By: MerryA
I think we are "born again" and again until we reach a state of knowing and move to the next plain. Yep, I'm mixing modern Christianity with reincarnation. And if I'm wrong, no big deal. I have been sealed as Christ's own forever so whatever is on the other side will be good.

I used to think about it a great deal now I'm kinda zen-ish.



What you are is confused. And it is a big deal if you are wrong about the true faith.

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#197171 - 01/24/11 01:27 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Ronnie, what happens after the judgement? What do you see as existence once that has taken place?

Eternity is a long time - what will it be like?



I don't know these answers, ghoti. Only God, and those who have gone on before us know the answers to those questions.

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#197174 - 01/24/11 02:24 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Ronnie, do you believe the description of heaven in the bible, or do you think it is just an analogy
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#197177 - 01/24/11 03:17 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Nature is the ultimate recycler since nothing ever "goes away" but rather is just converted into other forms. The same thing is true of energy as well as matter.

If our "life force" is a form of energy then it would make sense that it would be recycled in some way, too. That gives support to the idea of some form of reincarnation.
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#197195 - 01/24/11 07:29 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: MerryA]
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I LOVE this subject! I just finished a 3 month study with some friends at my house on the subject of heaven. Using Randy Alcorn's book titled "Heaven."
Job 14:14
If a man dies, shall he live again?


Anyway, the resurrection from the dead is the pure hope of the gospel of JESUS Christ. I fully expect to walk again in this body on this earth for at least a 1000 years at the return of CHRIST. This hope makes living in a paralyzed body just a temporay inconveinence.

Thats what I beleive and I'm sticking to it!

yoda

Job 14:14
14 If a man dies, shall he live again?
All the days of my hard service I will wait,
Till my change comes.

Job 19:25-27
25 I know that my Redeemerc lives,
and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.d
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yete inf my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes — I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

John 3:16-17
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,f that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:36
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

John 10:28-29
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Acts 13:48
48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

2 Cor 5:1-5
5 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

1 Tim 6:12-13
ake hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Acts 23:6
"My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead."

Acts 24:15
5 and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

1 Cor 15:13-23
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Cor 15:55-57
55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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#197196 - 01/24/11 08:11 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: MerryA]
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Yoda, the question wasn't whether you believe in an afterlife, it was this:

Quote:
What do you think the afterlife will be like?
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#197208 - 01/25/11 08:34 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Ronnie, do you believe the description of heaven in the bible, or do you think it is just an analogy



Where is a description of heaven in the Bible?

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#197212 - 01/25/11 10:21 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Revelation 21
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#197218 - 01/25/11 11:44 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Yoda, the question wasn't whether you believe in an afterlife, it was this:

Quote:
What do you think the afterlife will be like?


Ghoti, I really believe the afterlife for believers in Jesus is going to be amazing. From my understanding of scripture and books I’ve read, it will be glorious beyond human comprehension…

1 Cor 2:9
"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"b—

John 14:2-4
2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
I am sure a house or room God builds will make our earthly homes seem shabby! First, scripture teaches when we die our spirit is instantly with the Lord. And also says in His presence is fullness of joy, peace, security. The city (heaven) described in revelations is 1,400 miles squared.

Rev 21:15-21
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.* 17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick* (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. 19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:* the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.
It talks about music, eating food, wearing robes. From questions martyrs asked, it appears they are aware and interested in things happening on earth. We will retain memories and our distinct recognizable personalities. God placed creativity in us that I believe will be expressed for all eternity. It will be ongoing revelations and discoveries about God and creation. It will be interesting to interact with persons who live thousands of years ago.
And of course to actually see and stand in the presence of creator God and millions of angels.. descriptions of colors sights, sounds, fragrance and such. Each person will have a position and purpose in the kingdom!
Of course, for those who reject the gospel of Jesus will be excluded from God’s presence and kingdom to what is described as an eternal afterlife of ‘outer darkness,’ torment, regret, loneliness, unquenchable thirst, fire, etc. (created for satan and the angels who rebelled).
No human needs to suffer that fate and God doesn’t want any of us to be there. That’s why HE made a way for us through his own blood to be brought back to the original place He intended for us. It is my understanding the afterlife when we die ‘in Christ’ will go to that place called heaven or new Jerusalem which will at some point after resurrection come down and be joined with the new earth.
In short, I expect the afterlife to be exciting, challenging, and a transformation and continuation of what we are now!

yoda

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#197221 - 01/25/11 12:30 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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You die and that's it.
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#197224 - 01/25/11 03:20 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Deo]
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For moral and good unbelievers in Jesus Christ you are probably right Deo.
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#197225 - 01/25/11 03:30 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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What? No 40 virgins?
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#197226 - 01/25/11 04:15 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Greg]
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russell, steve (ghoti) asked what you think the afterlife is and not what scriptures says it is--if you believe the word then say i believe what the bible says.
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#197228 - 01/25/11 04:59 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
For moral and good unbelievers in Jesus Christ you are probably right Deo.
Paul



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#197229 - 01/25/11 05:01 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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I do believe in the new Jerusalem.
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#197231 - 01/25/11 05:31 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: soda]
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I believe and see the afterlife will be a kingdom rule by God who is Jesus Christ. He will also be everyman's judge. Afterlife now when you pass on (as a believing christian) is to go instantly to be with all other believers in Paradise. At this time Paradise is a spiritual place for its inhabitants. Paradise is a wonderful peaceful place whether a physical place or not is not known for sure but it has been made a part of God's heaven when Jesus took te inhabitants from a place called the bosom of Abraham seperated from hades by an impassable gulf. When Jesus died and was in the grave He free'd believers and moved them to Parsadise. But I haven't described the afterlife yet. I fdon't know what lifre is like in Paradise, only that it is a peaceful place to wait for the end of the age of Grace.

When the rapture occurs all believers will receive eternal bodies like Christ's made of flesh and bone but whereas the blood was the life giving part of man it will no longer be a part of man because all life will come from God Himself. The fdead will receive their bodies first and then those who are alive and remain will be caught up and receive theirs. At the end of the seven years of great tribulation Jesus and His people will return and every eye shall see His return. He will destroy all those who are coming against Israel to destroy them. He will set up His kingdom and rule from the Temple and throne of David in Jerusalem. The land will be divided for the temple, the twelve tribes of Israel and their imigrants who live peacefully with them. The remaining nations will have the lands they have come from and peace, security and productivity will reign supreme. There will be food for all and special jobs for all that will perfectly satisfy their abilities and desires. The people raptured with Jesus will reign and rule with Christ running the worl which is being totally renewed. The heavens will be restored to stability. So their will to two types of people on the earth for 1000 years. The human races who live through the tribulation and the eternal church of Jesus in the ruling class. What does Jesus say about that? He says those who desire to rule must be servants to all. It will be love for all that will drive tthis kingdom and economy. The lands and oceans will flourish with foods grown and life in the seas. People will live to more than 100 years of age. 100 will be a very early age to die and people will wonder at early deaths.

Every year peoples of the nations will be required to come to Jerusalem to worship and learn about God. If they dont come the blessings of God that gives rain and weather to their crops will be withheld till the have a change of heart and repent. Not all humans will be saved in that 1000 years. Some will be drawn to satan who is released for a time and gathers an army to attack Jesus and His kingdom. They will all be destroyed and that age will end. At that time all humans will be brought before the heavenly white throne for judgement where they will be judged from the books of heaven and receive the punishment they have chosen by their lives.

God brings the New Jerusalem to earth and dwells with mankind who are saved. The streetgs of the New Jerusalem will be paved with pure gold like glass. The city will be 1500 mile wide and 1500 miles long. It will be either in the shape of a pyramid or a square box shape. The river of life will flow out of the city and be lined with the tree's of life. Their will be a high wall completely encircling the city and there will be three gates on each side, one for every tribe of Israel and it will be made of one pearl. The wall will be made of precious stones. The new earth and heavens will be beautiful. To me it still looks as if there will be humans still bearing children, and Jesus' church who will be as the angels and not bare children nor be married. There will be several types of Angels who live there and are known as messengers of God. We know it will be more beatiful than we can imagine and life there will be totally unbelievable in it's happiness and life with our creator who will be the total light of that holy domain.

Paul

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#197232 - 01/25/11 05:33 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
russell, steve (ghoti) asked what you think the afterlife is and not what scriptures says it is--if you believe the word then say i believe what the bible says.


Hi Rob

I just took for granted it would be understood that I believed what I wrote. Yes, I BELIEVE what the bible says about the afterlife.
Just saying 'I believe the bible' doesn't let anyone know exactly what I believe. Confused yet?

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#197233 - 01/25/11 06:14 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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i got you, but my guess is steve knows the most-pertinent parts of the bible that deal w/the incorporeal.

enjoying the snow? hey i got 6,000+ miles already. nice to 'see' you!
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#197234 - 01/25/11 06:28 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
i got you, but my guess is steve knows the most-pertinent parts of the bible that deal w/the incorporeal.

enjoying the snow? hey i got 6,000+ miles already. nice to 'see' you!


I was told years ago by one of my teachers not to take for granted that he knows what i'm talking about. I think about heaven / afterlife a lot these days, sounds better all the time!

Hey, congrats on the van! It must be working well to rack up 6,000 miles. I just turned 11,000 on my '09

Snow looks pretty, i'm ready for spring. Forecast is 4 - 6 inches of snow here again tomorrow. see ya!

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#197235 - 01/25/11 08:58 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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There are over 6 billion people alive in the world right now and roughly 2 billion consider themselves Christians of one denomination or other. That leaves 4 billion others, most of whom live in countries where another religion other than Christianity dominates. Those people are indoctrinated into those religions from a very early age and often have little or no exposure to Christian teachings.

With all due respect to all Christian believers here, I find it hard to believe that those 4 billion and all who came before them are shut out from the glories of the afterlife. I've read the Bible quite thoroughly and know exactly what it says, but the holy books of other religions tell their followers very different things and they believe them just as strongly as Christians believe in the Bible.

My personal belief is that the creator will judge us by what we have done in life and not which religion we follow, but of course others disagree.
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#197236 - 01/25/11 09:00 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Yoda, your writing style seems familiar somehow. Have you been a member here under a different name in the past?
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#197239 - 01/26/11 04:14 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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When you go to sleep you know nothing, unless you are dreaming. Death will be like that, nothingness. The bible was written by men, how can you accept word for word everything that is written in it as total truth. A lot of it was passed around by word of mouth before it was written down. If you start a story at one end of your street and get all your neighbours to pass it on each one will add something to story. When you reach the end of the street the story will have evolved and changed beyond recognition from the original.

I would agree with Ghoti about us having a spark inside us, and were it not for the fact that we sleep and no nothing about it or the time that has passed while we were asleep, I would hope that this spark would continue in some form after death.

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#197240 - 01/26/11 04:17 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: christine6]
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Everyone has the capability to do good or evil in their lives, I think religious beliefs are ways of promoting good behaviour and giving order to life. Everyone knows right from wrong, it is down to the individual to live accordingly. Kindness and love come from within and you do not need a book to tell you to say help an elderly neighbour or not steal or kill etc.
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#197244 - 01/26/11 09:52 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: christine6]
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People who don't believe in judgment are silly, not only that they are in for a rude awakening.


I'm astonied by these people.


I can't wrap my mind around it. It's just too unbelievable for words.

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#197246 - 01/26/11 10:37 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.

If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?
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#197248 - 01/26/11 11:29 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Ain't you just itching to save us Ronnie.
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#197249 - 01/26/11 12:24 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Deo]
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Originally Posted By: Deo
Ain't you just itching to save us Ronnie.
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Now how in the world could I do that?

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#197252 - 01/26/11 12:29 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.

If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?



Yup.


God is sovereign, He curses who he will and He dispenses His blessings the same way.


Sorry if that makes you mad but God isn't affected by that. You either love God or you hate Him and there's no real middle ground to stand on. We can't change the truth of God one iota with our own thoughts about how we believe that God should be.

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#197254 - 01/26/11 12:34 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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The gospel will be preached to every creature around the world, then the end of the age will come. Everyone will have a chance to hear the gospel and those whom the spirit of God calls will be saved. There are many who will not listen to His voice and will go their own way and thus chose their own final destination.
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#197255 - 01/26/11 01:08 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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We were raised in a culture where Christianity dominates and most of us were widely exposed to it from an early age. If someone is raised in a culture where some other religion is dominant and Christianity is violently suppressed, what is the likelihood that they would ever accept Jesus?

If belief in Jesus is truly the ONLY pathway to heaven, then God has enormously stacked the deck in our favor and against most of the rest of the world. If that's the way things really work then heaven is going to be jammed full with folks from North and South America and Europe with damned few from the Middle East, Africa, or Asia.

I refuse to believe that the creator would be that unfair and capricious.



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#197258 - 01/26/11 01:36 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Well, I have often said that God is just and who knows how He will deal with those who never had a chance. God will do as He pleases in judgment, and He will also be fair about it. No other judge could be more fair than God Himself.
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#197261 - 01/26/11 03:02 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Yoda, your writing style seems familiar somehow. Have you been a member here under a different name in the past?


ghoti, I had originally signed on under my first name before 2003 but posted very few times. Couldn't get back in '03 so just rejoined. Haven't changed since, never posted much but pop occasionaly to see whats going on. Just thought i'd jump in on this subject.

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#197262 - 01/26/11 04:12 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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God will save those He intended to save. None of them will escape their salvatioin and Jesus Christ will never fail. He will never look into hell and say how he had tried to save any and failed.


The Bible is clear about this.

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#197263 - 01/26/11 04:17 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
What about all the people raised in a culture dominated by Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.? They mostly have no chance to learn positive things about Christianity or even have access to a Bible to find out on their own. Christianity is even violently suppressed in many places.

If one of those people grow up to live a life full of giving and caring about others but follows some other religion, do you really believe they will be denied access to a positive afterlife?


Ghoti, before I got ‘saved,’ ‘born again,’ ‘saw the light,’ or whatever you want to call it, I came to the realization God could heal me or ‘save’ me and people would say ‘isn’t God good!” or if I killed myself and went to hell people might say, ‘poor guy, got what he deserved.’ Both would be correct. I am just glad it is God’s desire that no one perish or go to hell. He made a way so we don’t have to!

When it comes to people of other countries who haven’t heard I just rest in the fact that God is ‘just.’ There a verse that says, “shall not the judge of all the earth do what is right?” I am confident that He will.

I have a muslim friend who lives in Turkey. I started writing to him back in 1985 when he was still in high school. He has since did his required time in the military, married, has two children and is a Judge/lawyer. We still keep in contact by e-mail and video chat, his children sent me drawings to ‘their American uncle.’ He is a devout muslim and gave me a copy of the Koran written in english. I have sent him some books of the new testament printed in Turkish. We have exchanged gifts, and thoughts about our faiths, He is a good man. But I think lost.

The bible teaches Jesus DIED for our sins and rose from the dead. The Koran teaches Jesus was born of a virgin, was a good man and a prophet but he wasn’t crucified nor die for our sins. The Koran says God made Judas to look like Jesus, and Judas was the one who was crucified. Which is true? The bible teaches us to give our lives for others, the Koran teaches to kill others for God. Many religions teach many things but there is only one truth. But which one? My bible says ‘you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free.’ Jesus said, “when the spirit of truth comes, (Holy Spirit) he will lead you into all truth.” I stake my eternal destiny on what Jesus said and did. I don’t think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend. I still pray and believe for my muslim friend’s salvation and hope to see him and his family in heaven. My understanding is, there is only one way to be saved, but it is inclusive. Who soever will may come, only believe. 

p.s. Ghoti, I have heard so many people are becoming believers in china, it may soon be the largest Christian nation. Many coming to faith in Africa, Brazil, Argentina as well!

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#197264 - 01/26/11 04:18 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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1Kings:19:16: And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
1Kings:19:17: And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
1Kings:19:18: Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.


What does verse 19:18 say to you about our salvation , Paul?

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#197267 - 01/26/11 04:42 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend.

Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?
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#197271 - 01/26/11 07:12 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: yoda
I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend.

Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?


NO

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#197273 - 01/26/11 08:25 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti

If belief in Jesus is truly the ONLY pathway to heaven, then God has enormously stacked the deck in our favor and against most of the rest of the world.

Ghoti, just finished a book by Daniel Everett-"Don't sleep there are snakes" about an amazing tribe in the Amazon called the Piraha who resisted all efforts by missionaries to convert them. Here is a synopsis: A riveting account of the astonishing experiences and discoveries made by linguist Daniel Everett while he lived with the Pirahã, a small tribe of Amazonian Indians in central Brazil. Daniel Everett arrived among the Pirahã with his wife and three young children hoping to convert the tribe to Christianity. Everett quickly became obsessed with their language and its cultural and linguistic implications. The Pirahã have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property. Everett was so impressed with their peaceful way of life that he eventually lost faith in the God he'd hoped to introduce to them, and instead devoted his life to the science of linguistics. Part passionate memoir, part scientific exploration, Everett's life-changing tale is riveting look into the nature of language, thought, and life itself.
Really interesting reading.
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#197275 - 01/26/11 09:02 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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Originally Posted By: flicka
Originally Posted By: yoda
I don't think I’m smarter, better, or more loved by God than my muslim friend.

Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?


NO

Does he believe Allah is the same deity as your God?
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#197276 - 01/26/11 09:04 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Deo]
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Ghoti from what I understand Africa is the largest christian nation in the world today. America has dropped away from being the largest christian nation.

Ronnie 19:18 took place in my opinion way back in old testament days, however God will always have a remnant who have never bowed to satans idols. Jesus took all our sins upon Himself if we turn to Him and no one can snatch them out of His hand of those God has given Him.

Allah is a figment of Islam imagination offered by Mohammed.
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#197277 - 01/26/11 09:08 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Deo]
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The Pirahã have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property.

It's funny, I was talking with my husband about this a few days ago after spending time outside watching the creatures.

Humans are such funny creatures in that we have created all this 'stuff' and an entire industry around what we perceive as 'purposes in life'.
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#197295 - 01/27/11 01:39 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Personally, I find the idea of an afterlife where we will be restored to our actual bodies and minds and spend eternity walking around and interacting with others infinitely boring. There are quite frankly a whole bunch of people I've met in life that I hope to never see again in life, let alone spend eternity with.

It might take many thousands of years to meet and talk to every saved person who had ever lived in the history of the earth, but then what? Most people talk about their families, jobs, places they've been and things they've done, and that's about it. Most people really aren't all that interesting after about the first 5-10 minutes of conversation anyway.

So you'd probably develop a small circle of friends out of the whole bunch that were worth talking to for an extended time, but even that would get old eventually since you wouldn't have much new to say. Seems awful dull to me.

That's why IMO it just isn't going to be that way. My view is that our individual life force is going to be reunited with that of the creator and we will lose our individual identity and become a part of him (her/it).

I suspect that's where we were before we were born except we have no memory of it, and we simply return there when we die.
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#197301 - 01/27/11 07:08 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Originally Posted By: flicka [/quote

Is your God & his Allah the same deity ?


NO[/quote]
Does he believe Allah is the same deity as your God?[/quote]

He would consider allah to be the same God as of the bible, but deny the teaching about God having a son or about the Holy Spirit. He was taught that Mohammed (the last prophet) was given the Koran to correct all the errors and changes of the bible.

At one time I thought their allah was the same as the God of the bible and they just didn’t have things ‘right’ concerning Jesus. But allah clearly is not the God of the bible. The teaching in the Koran about Jesus is totally anti-christ , denying the incarnation, death and resurrection.

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#197302 - 01/27/11 07:56 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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I imagine Allah is more like G-d of the Hebrew Bible.
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#197304 - 01/27/11 08:20 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Flicka I just don't know how you can say that. Allah makes believers to be warriors doing his work. The God of the bible came to earth as a man to die for mans sins and spreads love not hate and killing. The earlyIsrael days of war are the exception and one day I will ask God about that though I think I understand it well enough. God is love allah is not the hebrew God and never will be. I think having a Muslim as a family member clouds your judgement and I can understand how that would be but you need to read both books and compare the character of the God of the bible and of the Koran. They are very different and Jesus is stripped of his deity and placed under the righteous glory that is His in order to favor the god of the koran.
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#197306 - 01/27/11 08:39 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Ghoti your view of people interaction in heaven does not sound like you attribute God's influence on everyone in any way. Being with the creator lifts human life into a whole new dimension and it will be nothing like what you are describing. You need to take the saviour Jesus Christ and God the Father and the HolySpirit and the Holy sangels into account. Human joy will rise towards infinity in that realm. Humanity of secular nature would not take this all into account. Since you relegate the bible as equal to all other supposed holy books of the nations you relegate the creator to an unknown and not really knowable and I can see how boredom would arise out of that viewpoint in time.
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#197307 - 01/27/11 08:43 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Also God is perfection and doesn't need to be added too, regardless of a mans worth or goodness. He needs nothing in His perfection. Adding a man back to the Godhead seems pretty new age and of faulty logic. Not many things that are logical are true.
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#197308 - 01/27/11 09:22 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
God is love allah is not the hebrew God and never will be. I think having a Muslim as a family member clouds your judgement and I can understand how that would be but you need to read both books and compare the character of the God of the bible and of the Koran.

My statement was meant to say that Allah & G-d are similar in respect to their POV of Jesus Christ as deity.

What makes you think my judgement is clouded, Paul? I do not follow either the Jewish, or Muslim religions.
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#197309 - 01/27/11 09:31 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:

Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence

Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence

Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence

Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?


Edited by ghoti (01/27/11 09:33 PM)
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#197310 - 01/27/11 09:34 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people and I didn't think they considered Him to be deity in that He did not die for mans sins as the bible declares and also declares Him as God.

Flicka don't you have a family member who is Muslim? If so you would be lenient in that direction as I probably woud be also maybe.
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#197313 - 01/27/11 09:44 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people and I didn't think they considered Him to be deity in that He did not die for mans sins as the bible declares and also declares Him as God.

Muslims do believe Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of God. Most Jews don't even consider him. Muslims do believe Jesus will defeat the 'antichrist'.
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Flicka don't you have a family member who is Muslim? If so you would be lenient in that direction as I probably woud be also maybe.

Our niece & nephew are Muslim. But, lenient in what regard, Paul? Like I said, I don't follow either the Muslim, or Jewish faith, so I don't care who they believe in.


Edited by flicka (01/27/11 09:46 PM)
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#197314 - 01/27/11 09:46 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Islam sees Jesus as a prophet on par with those of the Old Testament, and sees Mohammed as the final prophet. Of course Mormons see Joseph Smith as a modern prophet as well. Neither of them really view Jesus as equal to God or believe in the Trinity.

ETA: I see that Flicka was posting while I was writing this.


Edited by ghoti (01/27/11 09:49 PM)
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#197315 - 01/27/11 09:55 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?

Some things I've read about Middle East history lately are giving me a sick feeling that the warring between the Arabs & Jews started over a water source.
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#197316 - 01/27/11 10:32 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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Two more things...
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
Not many things that are logical are true.

I call foul!
Originally Posted By: Paulwa_dup1
From what I understand about Jesus in the Koran, He is placed lower than Muslim holy people

Just an FYI, "Muslim holy people" are the exact same people we see as our 'founders'. Adam, Moses, etc...


Edited by flicka (01/27/11 10:32 PM)
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#197318 - 01/28/11 07:02 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: flicka]
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nevermind


Edited by ronniechoate34 (01/28/11 07:05 AM)

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#197324 - 01/28/11 12:22 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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Ghoti from what I understand Africa is the largest christian nation in the world today. America has dropped away from being the largest christian nation.


erm, africa is a continent, not a nation.
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#197326 - 01/28/11 01:07 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti
Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:

Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence

Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence

Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence

Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?


i think gods evolve according to the needs of the societies they serve.
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#197331 - 01/28/11 01:27 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: starlight.2]
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Too much arguing here for me. I know what the bible says and it is the only words I will follow. Carry on without me.
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#197334 - 01/28/11 02:22 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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I actually don't see any argument here...just everyone's opinions.
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#197335 - 01/28/11 02:25 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: starlight.2]
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Originally Posted By: starlight.2
Originally Posted By: ghoti
Seems like God changes and then changes back accoring to the faith/book:

Judaism/Torah (Old Testament) - angry God who condones violence

Christianity/New Testament - loving God who condemns violence

Islam/Koran - angry God who again condones violence

Is God changing or it just that the people who wrote each of the books visualized a different God?


i think gods evolve according to the needs of the societies they serve.

ain't that convenient?
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#197523 - 02/08/11 07:47 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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I think we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps.

In reality, we'll probably just die and nothing happens...But I like identifying with Christianity as I understand it and I like the Christian Church community. I guess that's enough for me. I'm sure the deep thinkers like PaulI and Ghoti will laugh and pontificate on how uneducated I am as they are the cat's ass deep thinkers and academics, but it is what is and I hold my own, in any venue.


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#197525 - 02/08/11 09:03 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: corlorde
I think we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps.

In reality, we'll probably just die and nothing happens...But I like identifying with Christianity as I understand it and I like the Christian Church community.



Then you should be aware that the only thing that we know about heaven is that we will be as the angels there. We can also be sure that we don't have a clue what that will be like. It's highly unlikely that we will be sitting around strumming a harp for the LORD all of the time. But if we are asked to make music for God that's a good thing.


Most likely there will be important business for us to attend to. I am not sure what that work will be, but I'll gurantee that you'll love your job, and your LORD even more. There'll be no sick days, and you will always find that God has granted you the power to perform your mighty tasks.




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#197529 - 02/08/11 12:01 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Also there has probably been a tremendous amount of energy that has been bestowed upon the angels. I am sure that the feeling an angel has is like no drug on earth.

People want to equate the here after with earthly things and that's a terrible mistake. Things like that are the reason people like ghoti think that the heavenly realm might be a boring place to spend eternity. That's all a lot of rubbish of course, and heaven will be anything but idle and dull.

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#197530 - 02/08/11 12:11 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Well just my opinion from what I read in the bible and how I view it. First as for being like angels the scriptures only mention that in respect to marriage and husbands and wives. We will be unmarried except to a covenant with Jesus our king who will be the most important person in our lives. We will all be creatyors at somelevel just as our God is the master creator. (Our creativity will be in making things, whether crops and farming or creating and designing some items. Commerce will be carried on at the perfect level in that it will not be done to aquire riches but will be used for beauty and or trading worth. No one will go hungry or be sick and will live forever in perfect harmony as God originally for us. Every person will bet 100 percent appy and satisfied pleasing God with our activities and loving Him and all people. I think all races will be onthe new heavens and new eartt. During the 1000 year millenium it will be much the same way but not perfectly as there will still be some evil encroaching the earth but much less than it is now because jesus will reign over the earth with a mission to do the final purging of evil at the end of that age. The new Jerusalem will have streets paved in gold with the appearance of glass as will the walls of the city all around. I don't know if there will be money but there might be for exchange. One thinjg for sure every person will feel fulfilled and be doing what they prefer to do according to their own special abilities. Whatever needs there is God will take care of them. One thing I believe is that tere will be no wastes anywhere. Toilets, garbage cans etc. will be unknown because our bodies will be perfect and absorb foods totally and there will be no need for packaging because each person will have what they need or desire and commodities needed will go to the individual. Sounds like heaven doesn't it? :-)
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#197533 - 02/08/11 02:50 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paulwa_dup1]
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That shot was below the belt, Corey. I recall years ago when you first posted I was in awe of the breadth of your life experiences.I recall urging you, probably out of line, to take your unique military experience and somehow enlighten we armchair generals. You have corrected many of my military/international
affairs/solutions posts and I have nearly always yielded to
your boots on the ground experience. Insofar as religion is concerned I am still pretty much in search mode so if I come across
as a know-it-all it's either being a devil's advocate or convincing my self as well.
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#197538 - 02/08/11 05:10 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Originally Posted By: ronniechoate34
People want to equate the here after with earthly things and that's a terrible mistake.

That is why I asked you if you literally believed the Bible description of streets of gold, etc. I am surprised that you do.
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#197541 - 02/08/11 08:26 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paul I]
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John:5:2: Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
John:5:3: In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
John:5:4: For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.


Luke:1:18: And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
Luke:1:19: And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luke:1:20: And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
Luke:1:21: And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.

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#197545 - 02/09/11 12:02 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ronniechoate34]
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Is this your answer to my mention of streets of gold???
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#197547 - 02/09/11 08:50 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: corlorde]
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Originally Posted By: corlorde
I think we'll all sprout wings and spend eternity sitting on clouds strumming harps.

In reality, we'll probably just die and nothing happens...But I like identifying with Christianity as I understand it and I like the Christian Church community. I guess that's enough for me. I'm sure the deep thinkers like PaulI and Ghoti will laugh and pontificate on how uneducated I am as they are the cat's ass deep thinkers and academics, but it is what is and I hold my own, in any venue.

Liked your answer corlorde

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#197553 - 02/10/11 12:05 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Deo]
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IMO, anyone who "pontificates" about the afterlife or any aspect of religion is an arrogant fool. Everything is just speculation since no one knows the answers to any of this stuff. The mere fact that there is so much disagreement between the world's major religions is clear proof of this.

I enjoy hearing everyone's views as long as we can have respectful discussions about it, and this discussion has been a good example of that.
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#197559 - 02/10/11 02:50 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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I believe we all have a very personalized view of "God" -- as God speaks to us in a very personalized way. Obviously, He doesn't speak to me as He does to, say, ronniechoate or Paulwa.

That said, it only follows that the "afterlife" is similarly personalized.

One Size Fits All isn't my idea of Heaven. Nor, truly, my idea of God.

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#197629 - 02/19/11 12:26 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Skylark]
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Here is a 4 year old's view of the afterlife...

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-after-near...0,2566980.story

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#198090 - 03/26/11 04:18 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: yoda]
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http://www.godvine.com/Boy-Reveals-Jesus-in-Every-Book-of-the-Bible-201.html

I've heard some pretty personal views of what the afterlife is like and never laughed at a single one. Whatever gives people peace of mind and is said out of love is alright by me. I'd never ridicule it.

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#200454 - 09/04/11 07:28 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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Originally Posted By: ghoti


With all due respect to all Christian believers here, ... I've read the Bible quite thoroughly and know exactly what it says.


BEAUTIFUL!

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#200463 - 09/04/11 10:48 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ævory]
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Interesting that with all the near death experiences we still have only one person who has reported on the afterlife experience and not much was said.
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#200465 - 09/05/11 01:40 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ghoti]
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I don't know what happens after we die, but I am not laying awake at night worrying about it.
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#200466 - 09/05/11 05:38 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: Paul I]
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Originally Posted By: Paul I
Interesting that with all the near death experiences we still have only one person who has reported on the afterlife experience and not much was said.



I know when I was dying in the ER, I don't remember seeing any lights, dead relatives, or recall floating above myself. I remember dark, blackness, and quiet. Maybe when people say hell is the absence of God, that is what they mean. I was never a believer in the fiery pits of hell stuff, anyway.


Edited by corlorde (09/05/11 05:38 AM)
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#200483 - 09/11/11 05:23 AM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: corlorde]
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"Woe to him that is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up."

Ecclesiastes 4:10

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#200980 - 12/27/11 11:26 PM Re: What's your view of the afterlife? [Re: ævory]
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Colorde, I personally believe that those who don't accept Jesus as the son of God, at death, will just go into blackness and know nothing in death kind of like deep sleep without dreams or imagery of anykind. The bible says they will remain in that condition until the final resurrection and judgement. Then some will go into outer darkness and some will go into the fires of hell with satan and his angels. I think murderers and others of equal evil will wind up in hellfire for punishment though we probably don't understand actually what that is exactly.
Paul

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