Look on The Hill's Healthcare Blog under Psychologist lawmaker: Congress should study shooting, then act....
It says, Jared Loughner was made to leave Pima Community College and his parents were suppose to see that he got some evaluation by a mental health expert before they'd let him back in.............it "appears" he wasn't evaluated or treated.
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lol...parents were not involved as it is a violation of the student's rights for a college to contact parents w/o permission. Yes, he was not evaluated or treated.
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I honestly think that the military should be obligated to notify law enforcement when someone fails the enlistment process because of illegal actions, or mental health issues.
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shakey56, I was simply reading The Hill Healthcare Blog the other day when I remembered this question had been asked, by you.
I then returned here to see if it had been answered by anyone.
It was your question in response to MerryA trying to make a point for it now being time for reasonable gun control, and, she attempted to do so thru her use of a 'picture' for us to try to see why she believes so.
How do you know he didn't or couldn't get treatment? <-------was your question.
I read what I read and posted as such. You turned around and answered your question with the same: Yes, he was not evaluated or treated.
So I have to wonder if you had a question there at all. I don't know.
I didn't realize this was funny, but if your point was to laugh & play 'one-upman-ship' on my posting what I did, then............ship ahoy, son.
*son...being an expression and not meant to be taken on a demeaning note as one has mistakenly done, before.
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I was lol @ a supposed lawmaker psychologist who seems to have no knowledge of confidentiality.
I had a question...the one I asked. The AZ Daily Star reported yesterday that he had never received services through CPSA which is the agency that oversees mental health services in Pima county. BTW services were available (he could have and chose not to get them). \
Pima Community College did all they could since he was not displaying threatening behavior. The sheriff did mention him having made threats in the past. Without knowing the nature of the threats, can't say whether or not he should have petitioned (evaluated for court ordered treatment) at the time.
I believe he does have the knowledge of confidentiality.
The AZ Daily you read is after the fact of your questioning Merry's posting and also is after my The Hill response. The lawmaker you refer to and whose voice is made there (in my posting) said that they were trying to make decisions on the boy before they even had his history.
And he wants the caucus to sit with the lawmakers and hammer out questions to provide for better system than we have now, and he indicates we have a better one than previous in history.
I cant' make the call on if PCC did all they could do. A person displaying threatening behavior shouldn't be the all or nothing that could nudge another student or teacher to notify a college over mental health issues possible. Or is it? Guess that's the question...one of em.
I'd like to see them pour state money into mental health (county) while all this downsizing of classrooms and lay-offs of teachers persists. Should really make for some......cents. Not to mention the countless mental health care-facilities that have closed...guess somebody needs a job. Maybe instead, the mental health professionals (the so-called ones) could pick up a shovel and hit the streets. Our roads, least around where I live, are still in dire need of repairs.
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If he does know confidentiality, he was asleep in class the day they covered adult students.
Actually danger to self or others are accompanied by persistently and acutely disabled (PAD) as the reasons a person can be petitioned for evaluation or emergency petitioned into the county psych ward. PAD is seldom used and much harder to prove. So, yes, threat to others or themselves are the only way PCC could have had him evaluated against his will. In AZ anyone can file a petition...a good thing I think, but allowing anyone to file means the criteria for filing needs to be very narrow to prevent abuses. See Newt Gingrich for an example of abusing the metal health system.
