#196893 - 01/12/11 02:37 PM
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starlight.2
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Westboro Baptist Church Won't Protest Funeral Of 9-Year-Old In Exchange For Airtime
The Huffington Post Nick Wing First Posted: 01/12/11 02:29 PM Updated: 01/12/11 02:37 PM
Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church has decided to back down from their plans to picket the funeral of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, the young girl who was gunned down over the weekend in Tucson, Arizona, in a shooting that claimed the lives of 5 others. In return, they have been promised airtime by two radio stations.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, a spokeswoman for Westboro, told The Topeka Capital-Journal that KXXT-AM, a 50,000-watt station out of in Tolleson, Arizona, and Toronto-based CFNY-FM, 102.1 "The Edge," have both offered to host the church to talk about its views, on the condition that the congregation would reverse their decision to protest Green's funeral.
According to Phelps-Roper, however, Westboro still plans to go through with their demonstrations at the funeral service for slain U.S. District Judge John Roll, and at the original site of the rampage in Tucson.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/westboro-baptist-church-arizona-funerals_n_808088.html
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#196897 - 01/12/11 02:44 PM
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Screw those people! Nobody should make deals with them.
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#196914 - 01/12/11 03:28 PM
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Greg
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they don't need a deal, from that same article:
On Tuesday, the Arizona legislature proposed a piece of legislation designed to block the church's followers from disrupting the ceremonies of the victims. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer later signed the bill, which bars protests within 300 feet of a funeral and within an hour from its beginning or end.
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#196919 - 01/12/11 03:36 PM
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Greg
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It's like the lesson is out there but no one is listening.
That 9 year old girl was born on 9/11/01
Just got elected in her school elections
Her goal in life was to be part of politics and serve others
Was shot and killed standing next to Gabrielle Giffords
While Gabrielle Giffords' life was spared.
Some good has to come from this, it just has to.
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#196923 - 01/12/11 03:57 PM
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I'm afraid the only thing that will happen is another debate on gun laws. I hope a new approach to mental illness in the community is a result. That would be a good thing.
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#196925 - 01/12/11 04:01 PM
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Greg
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if guns are the issue watch for a shift from "gun control" to "gun safety". it is the only way to get around the NRA.
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#196995 - 01/13/11 05:58 PM
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the only thing that will happen is another debate on gun laws.
I AGREE, MANY LIBERALS WILL B SCREAMING FOR MORE GUN CONTROL
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#196999 - 01/13/11 06:29 PM
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Why does a civilian need a Glock with an extended clip?
It is time for reasonable gun control.
This guy couldn't get the mental health care he needed but had no trouble getting a Glock. What is wrong with this picture?
Edited by MerryA (01/13/11 06:30 PM)
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#197000 - 01/13/11 06:34 PM
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Johnboy 64
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outlawing them wont stop them from getting them
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#197002 - 01/13/11 06:51 PM
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It's kind of like the ammo law here in California. Starting Feb. 1st, one must show ID & leave a thumb print when buying ammo. It's billed as a way to keep people from supplying gangs & such with ammo. No criminals will be stopped by this law. It's crazy. I do agree that no one needs a huge clip for anything.
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#197004 - 01/13/11 07:01 PM
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mcveigh used all legal stuff to kill how many, 170? AND take down 1/2 of a federal building.
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#197016 - 01/14/11 09:22 AM
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Greg
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It really has become laughable, to the rest of the civilized world, the laws and attitude towards firearms within the USA.
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#197017 - 01/14/11 10:05 AM
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outlawing them wont stop them from getting them
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#197018 - 01/14/11 10:16 AM
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Greg
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Other countries have realistic gun control laws that work, why can't we?
NRA
The last time someone (Clinton) tried it cost him the house of rep.
eta and then the assault weapons ban the democrats sacrificed themselves for was let expire in 2004. the same ban that would have made the extended clip used in Tuscon illegal.
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#197020 - 01/14/11 10:40 AM
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Greg
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mcveigh used all legal stuff to kill how many, 170? AND take down 1/2 of a federal building.
you do realize that number of deaths is equivalent to just 2 days of death by guns in the USA?
eta plus over 500 non-fatal gun injuries per day, that is 500 per day
Edited by Greg (01/14/11 10:46 AM)
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#197022 - 01/14/11 11:09 AM
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#197024 - 01/14/11 11:14 AM
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Why does a civilian need a Glock with an extended clip?
It is time for reasonable gun control.
This guy couldn't get the mental health care he needed but had no trouble getting a Glock. What is wrong with this picture?
How do you know he didn't or couldn't get treatment?
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#197038 - 01/15/11 07:43 PM
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Look on The Hill's Healthcare Blog under Psychologist lawmaker: Congress should study shooting, then act....
It says, Jared Loughner was made to leave Pima Community College and his parents were suppose to see that he got some evaluation by a mental health expert before they'd let him back in.............it "appears" he wasn't evaluated or treated.
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#197048 - 01/16/11 08:24 PM
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lol...parents were not involved as it is a violation of the student's rights for a college to contact parents w/o permission. Yes, he was not evaluated or treated.
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#197052 - 01/16/11 11:32 PM
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I honestly think that the military should be obligated to notify law enforcement when someone fails the enlistment process because of illegal actions, or mental health issues.
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#197059 - 01/17/11 10:35 AM
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shakey56, I was simply reading The Hill Healthcare Blog the other day when I remembered this question had been asked, by you.
I then returned here to see if it had been answered by anyone.
It was your question in response to MerryA trying to make a point for it now being time for reasonable gun control, and, she attempted to do so thru her use of a 'picture' for us to try to see why she believes so.
How do you know he didn't or couldn't get treatment? <-------was your question.
I read what I read and posted as such. You turned around and answered your question with the same: Yes, he was not evaluated or treated.
So I have to wonder if you had a question there at all. I don't know.
I didn't realize this was funny, but if your point was to laugh & play 'one-upman-ship' on my posting what I did, then............ship ahoy, son.
*son...being an expression and not meant to be taken on a demeaning note as one has mistakenly done, before.
Edited by ævory (01/17/11 10:39 AM)
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#197065 - 01/17/11 06:31 PM
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I was lol @ a supposed lawmaker psychologist who seems to have no knowledge of confidentiality.
I had a question...the one I asked. The AZ Daily Star reported yesterday that he had never received services through CPSA which is the agency that oversees mental health services in Pima county. BTW services were available (he could have and chose not to get them). \
Pima Community College did all they could since he was not displaying threatening behavior. The sheriff did mention him having made threats in the past. Without knowing the nature of the threats, can't say whether or not he should have petitioned (evaluated for court ordered treatment) at the time.
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#197067 - 01/18/11 07:22 AM
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I believe he does have the knowledge of confidentiality.
The AZ Daily you read is after the fact of your questioning Merry's posting and also is after my The Hill response. The lawmaker you refer to and whose voice is made there (in my posting) said that they were trying to make decisions on the boy before they even had his history.
And he wants the caucus to sit with the lawmakers and hammer out questions to provide for better system than we have now, and he indicates we have a better one than previous in history.
I cant' make the call on if PCC did all they could do. A person displaying threatening behavior shouldn't be the all or nothing that could nudge another student or teacher to notify a college over mental health issues possible. Or is it? Guess that's the question...one of em.
I'd like to see them pour state money into mental health (county) while all this downsizing of classrooms and lay-offs of teachers persists. Should really make for some......cents. Not to mention the countless mental health care-facilities that have closed...guess somebody needs a job. Maybe instead, the mental health professionals (the so-called ones) could pick up a shovel and hit the streets. Our roads, least around where I live, are still in dire need of repairs.
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#197069 - 01/18/11 02:53 PM
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If he does know confidentiality, he was asleep in class the day they covered adult students.
Actually danger to self or others are accompanied by persistently and acutely disabled (PAD) as the reasons a person can be petitioned for evaluation or emergency petitioned into the county psych ward. PAD is seldom used and much harder to prove. So, yes, threat to others or themselves are the only way PCC could have had him evaluated against his will. In AZ anyone can file a petition...a good thing I think, but allowing anyone to file means the criteria for filing needs to be very narrow to prevent abuses. See Newt Gingrich for an example of abusing the metal health system.
Edited by shakey56 (01/18/11 02:53 PM)
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