#195705 - 11/26/10 09:15 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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History channel on tv has for the last year been putting out loads of prophecy and end time scenarios from the bible and other religions. It is like a flood compared to what has been shown previously. Wonder why so much emphasis on religion in the last year..maybe the big sunami and volcano's and earthquakes? And all the people being killed by these disasters and the furor in and around Jerusalem, Israel. The bible does say a lot about that. People must be getting interested or they wouldn't show it on tv. Many religions have an end time scenario including many indian tribes such as Navajo and Hopi's. Art Bell called it what he perceived as 'the Quickening', and wrote a book about it. Something has to be up with so many people gaining interest and science talking about devastating earth catastrophe's. Right?
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#195706 - 11/26/10 09:32 PM
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Just producing what people want to see. All the nonsense out there has created interest.
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#195707 - 11/26/10 10:09 PM
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flicka
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Something has to be up with so many people gaining interest and science talking about devastating earth catastrophe's. Right?
Do you believe that the Mayan Calendar is prophecy? People have been counting on 2012 for years.
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#195708 - 11/26/10 11:34 PM
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Paul I
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Not really. I believe it was started with Raiders of the Lost Ark followed by the Da Vinci Code. It all generated interest in the mysticism of religion. Along came 9/11 and we all began to learn quickly and sometimes inaccurately about Islam. It had to be compared with
Christianity out of need. This is all parallel to rise and occasional fall of tele-evangelists and the Christian right. It's been hard to escape it all here in the US. It seems like a natural progression of a field of study. There has been a lot about Nostrademus. Do you believe his prophecies?
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#195714 - 11/27/10 12:57 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Others may have an inkling of the truth in these prophecys but I personally place the bible far above these other sources such as Nostradomes, the Mayans and others. I kind of think they may have come about from the dark side and that the pyramids and all these other great stone edifices were aided by Lucifers legions using great technology of higher beings created by God. Lucifer was supposed to be one of Gods crowning achievements and was said to be a very beautiful creature and highly intelligent before he fell from Grace and was expelled from heaven.
I have been entertaining other ideas that can be found biblically but not out and out truth that maybe science may be on the right track about some of their aging of the dinosaurs and cave peoples era's being millions of years old. I thnk there is the possiblity that Lucifer also known as the covering cherub, may have been responsible for designing these creatures and early cave men and God gave them the breath of life. Maybe when Lucifer began abusing them and making himself a god to them...God said enough and destroyed that creation by flooding the earth and making it dark and removing Lucifer from His domain to live in that darkness for his sin of wanting to usurp God's throne and position. Maybe God not wanting creation to end on a sour note Got the Godhead to re-establish the earth as a home for mankind and animals that they would create and they would create man astep higher than the caveman who was just at the top of the animal chain with rudimentary intelligence. Instead God created His first man and woman in the image of the Godhead with higher intelligence levels and with body, soul and spirit. When mankind enticed by satan fell into sin and disobedience, man's spirit that communed wth God died that day and communication with God became blind and the only communication that existed could only be brought about by God interjecting Himself. Man's natural communication with God had died with their spirit. And we have been caught between heaven and hell ever since till God's plan of redempton of mankind came by begotting a son from God to live as a man on earth and be sinless and die and pay for mankinds sin. Well that is what I have been thinking..and I know I am far from the first to think this way but it does line up the facts of science somewhat with the words of the bible.
Paul
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#195722 - 11/27/10 04:07 PM
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Paul I
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Indeed it does.
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#195726 - 11/27/10 04:40 PM
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ævory
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The Proof of Fulfilled Prophecies:
The Messianic Prophecies:
These are the prophecies about the anointed one (‘Messiah’ in Hebrew) who was to arrive in the
future. The number of these prophecies is more than 300, all of them very accurately fulfilled in the person
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Just as an example we mention Psalm 22 in which King David describes the crucifixion of the Lord
almost 1000 years before it happened, he said:
• “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (Ps 22:1)
• “All those who see Me ridicule Me; They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He
trusted in the Lord, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver, since He delights in Him!” (Ps 22:7-8)
• “My tongue clings to my Jaws” (Ps 22:16)
• “They pierced My hand and My feet” (Ps 22:16)
• “They divided My garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots” (Ps 22:18)
Prophecies dealing with nations:
Archeologists have evidence that these prophecies were written down many years before they were
fulfilled; proving that they were not falsified documents claiming to be prophecies that came true. Actually,
the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls stopped the majority of that talk. Although an entire lecture is needed
to cover this part we will provide only one example that should be relevant to the majority of us:
Everyone of you has proof of a fulfilled prophecy on his/her ID card; the fact that your last name
is not ‘Mohamed’, or any other Muslim name, is a fulfillment of the word of Isaiah about Egypt, “In that day
there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its
border…Then the Lord will be known to Egypt and the Egyptians will know the Lord” (Is 19:19-21)
IV) The Proof of people living at the time of our Lord:
A special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the
Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have
produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this ‘sect’. None exists. Further, the New Testament
writings circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen our Lord’s miracles
and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as fairy tales.
V) The Proof of Historians:
Secular history supports the Holy Bible. For example, in The Antiquities of the Jews, book 18,
chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:
“ Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of
wonderful works – a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many
of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the
principle men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did no forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten
thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not
extinct at this day.”
VI) The Proof of Science:
The Holy Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. In order to get an idea about the
difference between the Holy Bible and science books you may want to try to read a 50-year-old scientific
book. Science is like a baby that is still growing but the Holy Bible is like a distinguished elder full of
knowledge and wisdom. The following are statements that are consistent with known scientific facts. Many
of them were listed in the Holy Bible hundreds or even thousands of years before being recorded elsewhere.
Statement consistent with Geology:
• “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth” (Is 40:22), the Holy Book of Isaiah was written
hundreds of years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere.
Statements consistent with Hydrology:
• “He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain; He
brings the wind out of His treasuries” (Ps 135:7)
• “When He utters His voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens: And He causes the vapors
to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for33
to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His
treasuries” (Jer 10:13)
In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle – the worldwide process of
evaporation, circulation, condensation with electrical discharge and precipitation.
• Also the Holy Bible describes the re-circulation of water: “All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea
is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again” (Ecc 1:7)
Statements consistent with Anthropology:
• “They were driven out from among men, they shouted at them as at a thief. They had to live in the
clefts of the valleys, in caves of the earth and the rocks.” (Job 30:5-6)
The Holy Bible is describing cave men; note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who
scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for
the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and
spiritually. If you go into a bad part of your town you may see this concept in action today.
Statements consistent with Astronomy:
• “He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing” (Job 26:7)
Here the Holy Bible describes the suspension of the earth in space during a time where ‘scientists’
believed the earth rest between the horns of a great animal.
Statements consistent with Psychology:
• “A merry heart does good, like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones” (Prov 17:22)
It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.
Statements consistent with Biology:
The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly in the Holy Book of Genesis, stressing the
reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these
reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.
Statements consistent with Physics:
“You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish,
but You will endure; yes they will all grow old like a garment” (Ps 102:25-26). The words of King David
describe the concept of Entropy.
http://suscopts.org/messages/lectures/scriptureslecture1.pdf
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#195736 - 11/27/10 08:32 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Ronda I think those peoples gven over to deep sin begat children of lower intellgence that kind of paralleled the ancient cave dwellers of Lucifers earlier creation, maybe.. God's blessing I think tended to increase intelligence.Just some thoughts.
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#195737 - 11/27/10 09:58 PM
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flicka
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I seriously wonder what the hell this means:
Everyone of you has proof of a fulfilled prophecy on his/her ID card; the fact that your last name
is not ‘Mohamed’, or any other Muslim name, is a fulfillment of the word of Isaiah about Egypt, “In that day
there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its
border…Then the Lord will be known to Egypt and the Egyptians will know the Lord” (Is 19:19-21)
My niece & her husband are visiting for Thanksgiving and their last name is Muhammad and they are Muslim. Is this honestly saying that there are no people in Egypt who have a Muslim name? I doubt that is a fact.
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#195739 - 11/28/10 06:34 AM
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ævory
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19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border. 20 It will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Champion, and He will deliver them. 21 Thus the LORD will make Himself known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the LORD in that day. They will even worship with sacrifice and offering, and will make a vow to the LORD and perform it. 22 The LORD will strike Egypt, striking but healing; so they will return to the LORD, and He will respond to them and will heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, 25 whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
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#195740 - 11/28/10 08:03 AM
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ronniechoate34
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Paul, you'd better gird up the loins of your mind because you have a tendancy to live in the land of make believe as far as the Bible is concerned.
The Word of God means what it says and it says what it means. It's that simple. There is no longer any special provision for the Jews except for God's mercy ands long suffering. There is no truth to evolution, and smack-dab in the Bible, right in the Book of Job there's a description of a fire breathing dinosaur. And you discount it. What kind of a believer are you? It's obvious that you aren't a believer of the Word.
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#195741 - 11/28/10 08:07 AM
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ronniechoate34
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Paul, Jesus is coming again, but He is coming not again and again.
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#195742 - 11/28/10 11:46 AM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Ronnie are you a believer that the day of Gods choice of His people has shifted from the Jews to the christian church?That the jews have lost out to God? Replacement theology?
No I don't discount anythng from the word of God in the bible. So what if there was fire breathing creatures in Jobs day? I don't doubt that at all.
Jesus canme to earth the first time to die for mankind. He is coming back to gather His church in the rapture but will not come to earth but will gather us up to Him. His second coming He will stand on the Mt. of Olives and the earth will split with a mighty earthquake and lay the land level for the sectioning of the land to the children of Israel and to prepare for the new temple and residence of Jesus Christ our Lord and King. onnie II think you need to dive into the scriptures for yourself and leave these false religious leaders alone.They will take you where you don't really want to go. God is love but He is also Judgement to those who put wrong words in His mouth and do not give their all to Him. He will not guide you wrong but there aremany religious teachers out in the world who will. Stick to the bible and search out Gods meaning and not what man teachers try to palm off on the people as God's word. Satan is everywhere and ready to take any who is not firmly in the word of God.
Peace to you and stick with the bible for your truths.
Paul
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#195746 - 11/28/10 01:29 PM
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ævory
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Ronnie has dropped his manners. least he didn't drop his pants! 
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#195751 - 11/28/10 06:02 PM
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flicka
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I honestly don't know how this Bible text can be considered fulfilled prophecy as claimed here. Israel, Eqypt & Assyria never entered into a partnership. In fact, since Assyria has disappeared as an entity, it cannot be fulfilled in the future.
IMO, this prophecy was entirely false.
Everyone of you has proof of a fulfilled prophecy on his/her ID card; the fact that your last name
is not ‘Mohamed’, or any other Muslim name, is a fulfillment of the word of Isaiah about Egypt, “In that day
there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its
border…Then the Lord will be known to Egypt and the Egyptians will know the Lord” (Is 19:19-21) ”
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