#195031 - 11/03/10 03:44 PM
Re: "Works"
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ævory
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I find it curious that people who claim the Bible is the inerrant word of God always dodge the question when shown quotes from the Bible that contradict statements they make.
But it's baffling that you would use it as a debate throwout To anyone. Don't you see why?
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#195032 - 11/03/10 03:45 PM
Re: "Works"
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ævory
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that is, regardless of the situation...you come from one place yet debate using another..
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#195036 - 11/03/10 03:58 PM
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ghoti
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I find it curious that people who claim the Bible is the inerrant word of God always dodge the question when shown quotes from the Bible that contradict statements they make. But it's baffling that you would use it as a debate throwout To anyone. Don't you see why?
That's a ridiculous statement. If your side is going to use the Bible as the source and support for your beliefs, then it's absolutely necessary that I use it to prove that there are contradictions. How else can I possibly discuss those things with you?
By the same token, if I use the fossil record to support my viewpoint, you would have to disprove the fossil record to successfully counter me. That's the way debate and discussion takes place.
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#195037 - 11/03/10 04:02 PM
Re: "Works"
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ghoti
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Off-topic question to Ronda: You probably didn't see where I posted this question to you at PQ - just curious as to whether your screen name has any connection to Brian Campbell? No, ghoti, why the thought? what connection were you thinking of?
He's the lead singer for a group called Aevory Nash. I thought maybe that was the inspiration for your name.
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#195041 - 11/03/10 04:34 PM
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ævory
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Off-topic question to Ronda: You probably didn't see where I posted this question to you at PQ - just curious as to whether your screen name has any connection to Brian Campbell? No, ghoti, why the thought? what connection were you thinking of? He's the lead singer for a group called Aevory Nash. I thought maybe that was the inspiration for your name. interesting, no, when i dubbed the name it was in search of a name from the eternal list of names and their descriptives....avory had an artsy, witty, etc etc etc description and I was interested in being more artsy myself. so i felt it fit me or what i wanted to be.
Edited by ævory (11/03/10 04:35 PM)
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#195046 - 11/03/10 06:02 PM
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Jesus tells you that if you don't help others in need you are doomed:
Matthew 25:41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
As does James:
James 2:[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. [25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? [26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
No response to this? Are these just more of those passages that you can choose to ignore when they don't fit your mind-set?
Edited by ghoti (11/03/10 06:03 PM)
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#195089 - 11/05/10 05:33 AM
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ævory
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So do you think you need faith, ghoti?
Do you think everyone needs it (faith) in order to get that drive to be a better person?
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#195091 - 11/05/10 06:30 AM
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Are these just more of those passages that you can choose to ignore when they don't fit your mind-set?
Sounds like politics and education.
Edited by corlorde (11/05/10 06:30 AM)
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#195100 - 11/05/10 11:15 AM
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ghoti
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So do you think you need faith, ghoti?
Do you think everyone needs it (faith) in order to get that drive to be a better person?
Eveeryone has faith in something. Since we all have different life experiences we just see the world differently. I'm just asking whether your faith or ethical philosophy inspires you to take actions in your life.
IMO the passage from Matthew 25 is clearly a mandate from Jesus to his followers that they are required to help those in need. How else can you interpret it?
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#195113 - 11/05/10 01:32 PM
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ronniechoate34
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Ghoti, you are insane.
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#195115 - 11/05/10 02:15 PM
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ghoti
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Ronnie, why do you feel the need to condemn everyone who has different beliefs than yours? Can't you just accept that we have all had different life experiences and therefore have each reached a position that we are perfectly comfortable with and aren't likely to change?
I'm trying to emphasize ways that our faith has inspired us to reach out to others in positive ways in our lives. Do you have anything to share other than negativism?
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#195121 - 11/05/10 05:10 PM
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ævory
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So do you think you need faith, ghoti?
Do you think everyone needs it (faith) in order to get that drive to be a better person? Eveeryone has faith in something. Since we all have different life experiences we just see the world differently. I'm just asking whether your faith or ethical philosophy inspires you to take actions in your life. IMO the passage from Matthew 25 is clearly a mandate from Jesus to his followers that they are required to help those in need. How else can you interpret it?
That is not what I asked you.
I'd like an answer.
But, to go on with my own thoughts, you use 'faith' in a manner of which it is meant to be the driving force in what makes people do good things. Insulting to an atheist or not?
Since you are not an atheist, then if others could answer that, please do.
Ghoti, I am very tired of your never answering directly. One has to come at you over and again with what they want answered. You never do.
You also say in your latest posting that you are just 'asking': does your faith or ethical philosophy inspire you to take actions in your life? yet, the beginning of this thread is not a questioning of others. It is you saying that 'faith' is suppose to inspire (my word is, drive) one to do good deeds to better their lives.
I don't need ronnie to tell us what he does in his life. Do you? I tell ya, the reason I called you and merry an ass is because you, as well as starlightangel have asked and asked him to say. Who cares? What will it prove, anything? And, maybe he doesn't feel comfortable answering, for one reason or another. Is it your call to see that he does?
The only thing this thread does, is say that since you do things which are good for others you exemplify the better person than, say, someone who doesn't post everything they do in life for the benefit of others. And I think I'm smart enough to know how these threads have gone in the past....it's damned if you do and damned if you don't: if ronnie answered you here, it's possible that it would come back to bite him by someone down the road. If he does not answer you, then all the posters with a bug up their butt about him will unanimously agree and post that he is some kind of troll...only here for himself.
You know what you all can do with that kind of attitude. Go ... ... ...yeah, that's right. I've been called a troll by shakey over and again in the past...that shit does not fly. it is extremely weak response to someone with a voice who simply ...for what they believe or think...has Gotton under your skin. Screw that, because we all are alike in that regard.
YOuse do the same things over and over again. Wabi,....you had to know what he did for a living. we all know how it went after that. for allll these years. he's gone now. and you can run the likes of anyone else Off this board with you guys' damned tactics....but just know that THAT is what makes for piss poor participation here.
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#195124 - 11/05/10 05:22 PM
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ævory
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Jesus tells you that if you don't help others in need you are doomed:
Matthew 25:41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
As does James:
James 2:[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. [25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? [26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
No response to this? Are these just more of those passages that you can choose to ignore when they don't fit your mind-set?
and below this posting you mention Matthew. Well....I specifically remember you saying that only Matthew, Luke, Mark & John were of any worth from the Bible. I do not smoke to get high, or come onto the board stoned or drunk...i don't copy/paste anything for remembering anything. I just remember clearly this from you. So, you were coming at me with parts of the Bible that you weren't interested in nor gave credence to. I also thought, this was not directly meant for me and me alone to answer. I love all parts of the Bible. I wish I understood it all. The other day, a man told a neighbor of mine that he wished he knew the Bible like she did. She is blind. She said, "Well, it is easy to read. It is meant to be easy." I wrote that here...on another thread because it sounded so magnificent when I heard her say it. We all go at the Bible with good intent...to understand. So why do we need this here...where we toot our own horns? I AM interested in what you posted. And YES, I immediately clicked on your three links over on PQ ...the one of your website for helping disadvantaged single mothers w/ kids and low-income...yup! We have that right where I live. The other day, a group of the workers (volunteers) were leaving this place i live...and one of the residents said some disparaging things about it...and I said I thought it was nice for this and that reason. No matter whether you do something good for another or not, there are always those who just aren't satisfied, aren't there?! And THAT leads me to think....how much, ghoti.....how much does it take of these good deeds to please God? I asked before here...this is why. It's all IRRELEVANT W/O what I have already posted here. ...which, also is why i did not answer you, again. i had answered you.
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#195125 - 11/05/10 05:26 PM
Re: "Works"
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ævory
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We worry or debate or alllll these different things, hell...who cares if a day in God's eye is 24 hours or 24 X 24? Who cares about all these little things? Without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and saying that God allowed Him to die on the cross for our salvation...the rest is ...
And NO, that doesn't mean that Hey, anyone can get into heaven and be a horrible person who sins their life away at the same time. no...we all have to better our lives and try to be the best that we can be....and if we read the Bible, to read it with good intent, because the Lord knows..He knows. Can't fool him.
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#195126 - 11/05/10 05:32 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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Amen to that, Ronda. Paul
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