#195200 - 11/08/10 02:45 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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Skylark
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Yes I do believe that dinosaurs existed alongside one another.
And the proof is that YOU are existing alongside us humans.
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#195201 - 11/08/10 05:03 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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MerryA
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Yes I do believe that dinosaurs existed alongside one another.
And the proof is that YOU are existing alongside us humans.  
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#195202 - 11/08/10 06:16 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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ronniechoate34
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Has anyone ever heard tell of a dragon?
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#195205 - 11/08/10 09:12 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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flicka
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The 66 million-year-old dragon-like monster has been given the title Dracorex hogwartsia because it resembles the kind of fantastical creature encountered by the teenage wizard.
I suppose you don't believe the age cited?
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#195206 - 11/08/10 09:51 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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ronniechoate34
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Dragons and dinosaurs are the same thing. Are their accounts of people who have encountered dragons? Does the Bible mention dragons? The word dinosaur isn't a very old word. And please drop the sixty six million year old crapola. This thing can't be that old. In fact there's evidence that so called extinct dinosaurs may actually live among us.
I agree with Paul. There are too many factors that make scientific dating methods extremely unreliable.
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#195207 - 11/08/10 10:28 PM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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flicka
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And please drop the sixty six million year old crapola.
It's from your link...the one you are using as proof of dinosaurs & man 'co-existing'.
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#195208 - 11/09/10 12:23 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
This from the Old Testament and affirmed in the New. So Paul and Ronnie, would you have done this if you encountered the same situation? (This is the word of the Lord)
Layers of rock exist with most simple fossils at the bottom and most complex at the top. Since they supposedly all existed together why are they not found together?
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#195210 - 11/09/10 07:11 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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MerryA
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If men and dinosaurs co-existed, why is there no written or oral tradition of encounters with dinosaurs?
When did dinosaurs die and why? If man was here, surely people would have noticed when dinosaurs weren't here anymore.
Did they die before Noah's time or were they all on the ark?
There is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible or any literature I am aware of co-existence. If there is, would someone please give me a specific quote?
ETA - I am not talking about the "sea monster" described in Job. Or the times Satan is described as a dragon.
Edited by MerryA (11/09/10 07:35 AM)
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#195211 - 11/09/10 07:34 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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ævory
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If men and dinosaurs co-existed, why is there no written or oral tradition of encounters with dinosaurs?
When did dinosaurs die and why? If man was here, surely people would have noticed when dinosaurs weren't here anymore.
Did they die before Noah's time or were they all on the ark?
There is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible or any literature I am aware of co-existence. If there is, would someone please give me a specific quote?
Are Dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible?
What must the handsome prince fight in his effort to save the princess? A dragon! What is one of the central symbols of eastern culture and found in every parade? A dragon! What animal do you find pictured in every Chinese food restaurant? A dragon! Prior to the discovery of dinosaur fossils in the 18th century, these creatures were referred to in many cultures as "dragons". Now we view dragons as mythical when in reality they are real cultural memories of dinosaurs now extinct. It would be very hard to believe that so many people from so many different places could have come up with such similar stories and similar descriptions if dragons never existed. According to ancient stories, dragons cam in many shapes and sizes. Some could fly, some could swim and they even laid eggs just like dinosaurs!
The Bible mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. "Behemoth" (Job 40:15-24) and "Leviathan" (Job 41:1-34) From the description found in Job, scientists have attempted to identify these animals. They believe "Behemoth" is a Hippo and "Leviathan" is a Crocodile. But these scientists limited their choices to non-extinct species and did not consider the possibility of dinosaurs because man and dinosaur never coexisted. Oh really? Even in my own personal Bible a footnote suggests these two animals were a hippo and a crock! But there are some obvious reasons why this conclusion is wrong.
First, "Behemoth" cannot be a Hippo because of Job 40:17 "He bends his tail like a cedar". A hippo has a short tail like a pig. Behemoth, had a large tail shaped like a cedar tree (large and tapered). I believe a better choice is that Behemoth is a Brachiosaurus type of large land dwelling dinosaur. It fits the description perfect.
Second, "Leviathan" cannot be a Crocodile but is probably a Elasmosaurus type of large water-dwelling dinosaur. Here is what Job 41 says with my comments in brackets, "v9 you be laid low even at the sight of him? (This was a large animal) v10 No one is so fierce that he dares to arouse him; v25 When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; (crocs don't raise up at all but are always low) Because of the crashing they are bewildered. v26 (This animal was large! This animal made seismic thunder as it walked. You know...that slow, low, terrifying thud that Jurassic park portrayed so well.) v26 The sword that reaches him cannot avail; (crocs are quite easy to kill with a good spear) Nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin. (Croc wrestling is a sport, the croc usually looses) v31 He makes the depths boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a jar of ointment. v32 Behind him he makes a wake to shine; (crocs make little wake if any) v34 He looks on everything that is high" (again it was a tall animal with a long neck).
What is significant about this is that if "Behemoth" and "Leviathan" are dinosaurs, then is it crystal clear that Job had either seen them personally, or there was a recent memory of them. This of course flies in the face of current evolutionary theory.
The Paluxy River in Texas is the home of Dinosaur National Park with hundreds of fossil dinosaur tracks. Right beside the dinosaur tracks are three sets of human fossil footprints and a large cat track. The most famous track is the Taylor Trail which consists of a series of 14 footprints in a left-right pattern. The stride and foot length is consistent throughout. The evidence is so convincing that several university students recently presented with all the data accepted that the human footprints were real, but doubted the dinosaur footprints were real. All the fossil footprints in the Park are genuine. No informed person would ever suggest that the human footprints were carved as was irresponsibly rumored 50 years ago. It is clear that man and dinosaur live together and co-existed at the same time. With this both science and the Bible agree!
So next time you order your favorite Chinese food dish, take a second look at the mural of the dragon on restaurant wall or on the take out container. Then go home an re-read Job 40-41!
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-dinosaurs-mentioned-in-bible.htm
http://WWW.BIBLE.CA
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#195212 - 11/09/10 07:52 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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MerryA
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Leviathan was not referenced in the Bible as a dinosaur - Leviathan, serpent and Satan are used interchangable. Most people understand Leviathan of Job 41 to be a whale.
Both the behemoth and leviathan are given as examples in Job of evil that only God can overcome.
Word Origin & History
behemoth
late 14c., huge biblical beast (Job xl.15), from L. behemoth , from Heb. b'hemoth, usually taken as plural of intensity of b'hemah "beast." But the Heb. word is perhaps a folk etymology of Egyptian pehemau , lit. "water-ox," the name for the hippopotamus.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
Bible Dictionary
Behemoth definition
(Job 40:15-24). Some have supposed this to be an Egyptian word meaning a "water-ox." The Revised Version has here in the margin "hippopotamus," which is probably the correct rendering of the word. The word occurs frequently in Scripture, but, except here, always as a common name, and translated "beast" or "cattle." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/behemoth
So we have the hippo and the whale - neither of which are dinosaurs.
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#195215 - 11/09/10 08:13 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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Deo
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aevory you are assuming that dinosaur fossils were only discovered in the 18th century. Early people finding fossils assumed these creatures were still alive and featured them in their legends etc. Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World is a retelling of a similar story. At that time people thought that all creatures that god created were still alive and unchanged and that dinosaurs (which were discovered in the French Basin at that time) probably existed on some lost land like the tepuis in Venezuela.
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#195216 - 11/09/10 08:16 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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Deo
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Dragons and dinosaurs are the same thing. Are their accounts of people who have encountered dragons?
They encountered fossils
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#195217 - 11/09/10 08:25 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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ghoti
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There are several hundreds of thousands of stars and galaxies visible to us that are far more than 6000 light years away. That means the light we are seeing from them now that has been traveling for more than 6000 years to get here.
How is that possible if the universe is only 6000 years old?
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#195218 - 11/09/10 09:12 AM
Re: Well He Couldn't Have Been Too Smart in His Person
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ghoti
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Here are all the facts on exactly how we know the age of the earth from multiple methods, along with complete refutation of all the creationist arguments against them:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
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