#194583 - 10/21/10 05:45 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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OK Flicka maybe murders are down from the 60's but what is the difference between murders..in the 60's the majority of killers were robbers and thieves in the last few decades the majority is druggies, mothers and fsathers killing family. Jesus said there would come a day when a mans enemies would be those of his own household. Those days are upon us right now and will only get worse to a point where members of a family will turn in members for being beliefvers and followers of Jesus Christ which makes them hate mongers and worthy of death.It is coming.
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#194590 - 10/21/10 07:02 PM
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shakey56
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So, being religious is a required part of being American? An atheist American is less of an American? That also true for African Americans since they've always been a minority?
Oh and BTW I don't say Beck and Co. are unamerican because they are religious. I say it, cuz they want force their religion on others just like you do. Damn few thing could be further from the principles America represents.
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#194591 - 10/21/10 07:09 PM
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shakey56
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OK Flicka maybe murders are down from the 60's but what is the difference between murders..in the 60's the majority of killers were robbers and thieves in the last few decades the majority is druggies, mothers and fsathers killing family. Jesus said there would come a day when a mans enemies would be those of his own household. Those days are upon us right now and will only get worse to a point where members of a family will turn in members for being beliefvers and followers of Jesus Christ which makes them hate mongers and worthy of death.It is coming.
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lol....murderers have always been most often within the family or close acquaintances. The percentage of stranger killings has gone up not down. Those days were back in the 50's, 60's & 70's.
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#194593 - 10/21/10 07:27 PM
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Jesus said there would come a day when a mans enemies would be those of his own household.
Paul, it honestly is difficult for me to get too excited about what you are saying when you & I both know that the very first family on earth included a fratricide. It has been a problem as long as man as been around.
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#194601 - 10/22/10 11:16 AM
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Noted economist Stephen J Levitt in his book "Freakonomics" has indicated that legalization of abortion in the US (Roe vs Wade) as the main factor responsible for the drop in crime rate.
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#194606 - 10/22/10 12:32 PM
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Deleted because I posted on the wrong thread by mistake. I just moved it to "A Valid Question" thread.
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#195822 - 11/30/10 07:28 AM
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ævory
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I know many Christians who make an effort to live up to the model of Jesus, but I've also met many who fit this quote perfectly. It's the main reason why, even though I have deep respect for Jesus and try to use him as my role model, I refuse to call myself a Christian.
I don't see that you do have that respect for Jesus.
I do not blame Christianity (THE FAITH) for the actions of Christians (people who practise Christianity....why? because every one of us are fallable), and to call oneself a Christian, he or she would naturally be of the faith of Christianity.
You refuse to call yourself a Christian because you do not believe in the faith of Christianity.
You don't believe in Jesus.
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#195828 - 11/30/10 03:01 PM
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If you say Jesus is not of God and is god Himself in human form then your view of Jesus is worthless to your salvation. If you view Him as just a human man then He is no better than anyone of us and there is no hope for anyone just spiritual confusion. But we all will trod a path to the end, and only christans have faith in where ther path leads for sure. What other way filled with such truths leads you to such a grand conclusion as christianity and is supported over the ages wiith such proof as Christianity? Koran? No I don't think there is any salvation there and as far as I can see it is the same for all the other world religions. There is no surety in any of them. If you see there is please share it with us here as to why you see the end outcome and the life you live to reach that end. Inkblister how do you see Buddhism in that respect? Ghoti what is the end outcome for your view? Any others of other faiths such as Wiccan and witchcraft, what is that end for eternity and who do you serve?
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#195842 - 11/30/10 06:59 PM
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For me, the fact that Buddah was "just a man" that was able to find peace and spiritual enlightenment is the heart of the inspiration and salvation one seeks in Buddhism... If he is able to reach such a venerable state of being, then so can we all... It shows and proves that it is achievable and possible within all of us... Because we all posess this capability, we are all sacred and worthy to be treated with respect and humility...
With Jesus being portrayed as "God" or as a divine extention of god, how can one as a meer mortal even hope to compare?... No matter what one does, no matter how hard one tries, no one will never even come close to Jesus... It seems (to me) as if this belief automatically sets one up for failure... It will always be an uphill battle to achieve the unachievable... The best one can hope for is to be seen favorably and loved as a parent loves a child, but never to be received or respected as an equal... If in "the end" all one will ever be looked at is "down upon" (with either love or distain) no matter what one does, then where is the motivation to even try besides fear of punishment?...
For me, this would be a perfect formula for defiance and rebellion... But however you choose to percieve your faith, and it gives you solace, security, and peace, then wonderful!... Keep it up!... It just would not and does not for me...
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I do not understand this obsession with "the end"... To me, there is just the now, this moment... The future doesn't even exist yet... Until it happens, then it becomes now and then you deal with it... Before you know it, it's past... I'm not saying one shouldn't plan for the future... Just don't count on it as it is reliably unpredictable...
If one spends all their time focusing on what may or may not happen in the future, how can one appreciate the now?... If all you think about is the cheesecake, how can you enjoy the steak?... Can you really get into the story of a movie if someone tells you the end before you see it?... Is a joke funny or make any sense if you tell the punchline first?... Not for me...
"The end", in and of itself, is ultimately unimportant... It is the journey that gives it purpose and meaning... If Jesus was born and just "hung out" until his crucifixion, would it have meant anything?... No, he would just have been another faceless corpse in the crowd... It was his life, his journey, and his story that gives his death meaning and importance...
To quote a Buddhist teaching (from "Kung-Fu Panda" of all places, but truth and meaning can be found everywhere);
"The past is history, the future is a mystery, but this moment is a gift... that's why it's called the present."...
[edited for spelling corrections]
Edited by inkblister (11/30/10 07:02 PM)
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#195844 - 11/30/10 10:02 PM
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Thanks Inkblister I will respond when I have more time available. Wife is after me for a chore to be done right now.:-)
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#195846 - 12/01/10 06:46 AM
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ævory
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I know many Christians who make an effort to live up to the model of Jesus, but I've also met many who fit this quote perfectly. It's the main reason why, even though I have deep respect for Jesus and try to use him as my role model, I refuse to call myself a Christian. I don't see that you do have that respect for Jesus. I do not blame Christianity (THE FAITH) for the actions of Christians (people who practise Christianity....why? because every one of us are fallable), and to call oneself a Christian, he or she would naturally be of the faith of Christianity. You refuse to call yourself a Christian because you do not believe in the faith of Christianity. You don't believe in Jesus.
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#195847 - 12/01/10 08:16 AM
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With Jesus being portrayed as "God" or as a divine extention of god, how can one as a meer mortal even hope to compare?...
This was probably directed to Paulwa but I would like to respond (as he and I have very different views on Christianity :))
Jesus is God incarnate as man. The Trinity (central to Christianity) - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Three separate beings yet all one God. When Jesus died, was resurrected and ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit became present for all. Salvation is freely given through faith.
IMO Jesus brought the message that love is our purpose - to love God and to love one another. I am not meant to be equal to God but I am to be the best me I can be with God's help.
Unfortunately many Evangelicals focus on the fire and brimstone "punishment" - not the message of Jesus. Also the "End of Times" IMO is evangelical invention.
Buddhism and Christianity are not so different in philosophies - Buddha is your inspiration, Christ is mine. Christ the man showed us, just as Buddha did, that we all have the capacity to love. And love is the most powerful force in the world. 
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#195848 - 12/01/10 08:20 AM
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ævory
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So why say 'Rest in Peace' to anyone who has passed away, ink? If not for belief in the afterlife --- those words, spoken by a human, are just words. They don't hold any meaning whatsoever, do they? Well...maybe they comfort those who hear them and such but Is there a human being who can make that happen? no, so why say it?
Man ...as evidenced by capitalism, and yada yada (the search to have a more scientific plan/outcome to something) is programmed to outdo each other, to try to be better than another. So if you think that believing in Jesus as Son of God and the only way to eternal peace is something that makes us lesser and never able to attain then you're right...God does not expect that we be Jesus...to get the closest of all possibilities to the morality of Jesus, etc, we would have to BE Jesus. How any thought could result in a feeling of failure (of being set up for failure) by BELIEVING in God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is beyond my understanding. As Ronnie says, we all are sinful and we all lack that which is perfect. Sure, if you feel more comfortable thinking that by putting everyone and everything on a mere mortal ground for comparison, then you can maybe think it comforting that YOU can compete with another, can work toward perfection and not failure (in your mind, that failure coming from --->setting the stakes too high in Jesus) BUT you Still are looking at someone or some thing...some ideal that is your mentor, your instruction...something that gives your life structure. But that doesn't sound like peace to me. Peace to me is in Letting Go...in believing in a higher power and knowing that all of what is earthly comes to a point of the unreachable...except thru faith. We are always in sin until the end of time. We are always trying to achieve the better...or should be. My take.
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#195849 - 12/01/10 08:26 AM
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