#194159 - 10/16/10 03:16 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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inkblister
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The problem in your analogy is that the robots have no free will... they just walk straight ahead and have no free will to decide to turn or stop... They are destined to walk off the table on the path predetermined by where the creator placed them, thus they have no other choice to than to fall where the creator decided...
bad analogy from my perspective...
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#194160 - 10/16/10 03:19 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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shakey56
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Lol...it is no way analogous. Robots can't reason, and therefore have no free will. Any deviation off path is explained by mechanical or terrain variances. Leave it to you two to mess it up...lol
Edited by shakey56 (10/16/10 03:19 PM)
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#194167 - 10/16/10 06:57 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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Paulwa_dup1
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The variances are directly analogous of the terrain and the energy expended with navigating that terrain with its variances to the direction the little robot would go. Nearly random as the group of thinking people being biased so many different ways of viewing input because of variances in past thought and experiences to the direction they will take. You guys just want to see things your way, it is a fair analogy.
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#194168 - 10/16/10 07:10 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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shakey56
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Damn! You're dumb! lol It, like most of your thinking, is off base.
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#194169 - 10/16/10 07:43 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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Paulwa_dup1
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And human variances is explained by brain, memory and such variances. Boy you Evolutionary guys are dumb! LOL
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#194198 - 10/17/10 02:19 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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starlight.2
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The variances are directly analogous of the terrain and the energy expended with navigating that terrain with its variances to the direction the little robot would go. Nearly random as the group of thinking people being biased so many different ways of viewing input because of variances in past thought and experiences to the direction they will take. You guys just want to see things your way, it is a fair analogy.
Paul
that doesn't even make sense grammatically.
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#194200 - 10/17/10 03:50 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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inkblister
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The variances are directly analogous of the terrain and the energy expended with navigating that terrain with its variances to the direction the little robot would go. Nearly random as the group of thinking people being biased so many different ways of viewing input because of variances in past thought and experiences to the direction they will take. You guys just want to see things your way, it is a fair analogy.
Paul
No, it's a really stupid analogy and getting dumber...
Even if your robots are subject to variations based on terrain, they still have no free will to avoid undesirable paths or choose desireable ones... They still have to follow a path they have no choice in altering and are given no option to change... They are left at the mercy random happenstance and luck... No choosing, deciding, or reasoning... Your arguement is actually the antithesis of free will and promotes the belief in an uncontrolled and unavoidable fate...
We are just seeing what you are presenting to us and it makes no sense to your arguement...
You want an analogy, how about this one:
Religion is like a penis...
It's okay to have one, and it's okay if you don't... If you do, and you're proud of it, great... But, keep it to yourself...
If you decide to take it out in public and start waving it around, don't be surprised when people get offended... And definantly don't go and start shoving it down someone's throat unless they ask you to and you at least buy them dinner first...
Edited by inkblister (10/17/10 03:56 PM)
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#194206 - 10/17/10 04:49 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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Paulwa_dup1
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Sorry, I meant Evilutionary. I think you guys are getting hardening of the brain, really limits your reasoning power. But I could care less or maybe even couldn't care less wheether you understand or not.:-)
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#194221 - 10/18/10 06:47 AM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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corlorde
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And I see you as arrogantly disrespectful toward everyone who disagrees with you.
Seriously? You of all people pointing out others hypocrisy and disrespect? Will we get another polemic about how Paul is "dissing" your parents by posting his beliefs? You have no problem letting everyone know your opinion, and you are never challenged on it. I, for one, am about sick, of your blatant hypocrisy. A question: If one isn't a bible purist, why would they care if a bible fundamentalist speaks of hell and salvation?
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#194246 - 10/18/10 01:11 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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The only posters who consistently condemn others for not conforming with their beliefs are fundamentalists like Paulwa and Ronnie. The only thing I've ever asked of them is to respect the fact that others have come to different spiritual decisions and to back off on their preaching and judging others.
Tolerance of religious diversity is written prominently into our constitution, and IMO it was done because the founding fathers had seen that it was a vital part of individual liberty. Christian fundamentalists have pretty openly advocated taking control of the US government so they can impose their religious philoshophy on the rest of us, and I see that as a danger that has to be opposed.
I've expressed my religious beliefs many times, but I've also said many times that I believe each person has to find a religious pathway that works for them as an indiviual and not to blindly follow anyone, me included.
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#194258 - 10/18/10 02:35 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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Paul I
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Maybe I'm out of mainline thinking but all the variety of posts from different points of view don't really affect me or raise my dander. If it is something unique and personal to that person I do find it interesting. Paulwa's experience with gambling and the
ensuing liberation from it and Ghoti's actual encounter with
the Holy Spirit are both fascinating recollections. Taken collectively they simply reaffirm to me that the "true rules" of
Christianity are nowhere as obvious as men may think they are
and experiences any individual may have are not based on any set of beliefs that a given individual may have. To confine any
omnipotent being to a set of rules recorded by man is to degrade
that being's powers or ability to a human level. I'd just prefer that they be a little above that level.
The problem here as I see it is to grade each person's religious
philosophy and beliefs against another's. Rather they should be regarded as all being facets of the same experience.
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#194260 - 10/18/10 02:50 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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shakey56
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And I see you as arrogantly disrespectful toward everyone who disagrees with you. Seriously? You of all people pointing out others hypocrisy and disrespect? Will we get another polemic about how Paul is "dissing" your parents by posting his beliefs? You have no problem letting everyone know your opinion, and you are never challenged on it. I, for one, am about sick, of your blatant hypocrisy. A question: If one isn't a bible purist, why would they care if a bible fundamentalist speaks of hell and salvation?
Almost as far off base as Paulwa...lol Ghoti has never disrespected another belief system. At least not that I can recall. He also has never claimed his beliefs are the only way to God. He, unlike Paulwa and his ilk, approaches belief humbly with the knowledge that he may not have all the answers.
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#194262 - 10/18/10 04:53 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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ævory
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I bit my tongue twice ...the first time Ghoti used his parents as a tactic to get Paulwa to feel badly for what he posted. The second time, in this thread where he repeats it, I also kept quiet. Good to see another who might think *even a little bit like I do. I see this and I think: in bashing another's post, or degrading and slamming them with personal insult it's always been the rule around here that we don't bring family into the mix. So, Ghoti, you bring family into the mix. I know it is a tactic or else you would not have brought it up each time (were there other times too)when you were sick and tired of reading Paulwa.
And How aBout Ronnie there. I posted about my father being a Masonic Lodge member and he said masonry was a cult...robbie, I already knew from way long ago about His view...he stayed true to it, and slammed my post...so did many, saying my dad worked on the devil's side. I let everyone speak without the personal putdowns. Yas got your voice and I have mine. I didn't even need to say anything to know how I felt in my heart and though things didn't go as I had wanted to see...it Always reassures me of my *ass-sumptions about another when they are seen as having to resort to slamming on a personal level.
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#194265 - 10/18/10 05:10 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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ævory
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I think ronnie and paulwa deserve respect.
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#194266 - 10/18/10 05:12 PM
Re: Hitchens Brothers Agree To Disagree Over God
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shakey56
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What a buncha bull Ronda! Ghoti didn't attack anybody or there parents. If Paul doesn't feel badly for condemning others, there is no hope for him, and anything anyone says won't faze him.
Everybody knows Ronnie is a fool, and his words carry no weight here. Which is why your post surprises me, I don't recall the thread you refer to. Can you post a link to it.
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