#193846 - 10/09/10 03:03 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ronniechoate34
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so, Ronnie, is EVERYONE insane if they don't believe exactly like you? If that's what you think, then you are not only saying that about the followers of every other religion in the world, but the vast majority of Christians, too.
One major characteristic of insane people is that they often think they're the only normal ones and everyone else is crazy. Sound familiar?
Proverbs:14:12: There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs:16:25: There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
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#193848 - 10/09/10 03:51 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Peaches
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Gods sieve of knowledge misses no one and we all fall on one side or the other by choice or circumstance.
Paul, are you saying people who have grown up on the other side of the world following different religions are doomed to the fires of hell simply through circumstances?
Peace, peach
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#193852 - 10/09/10 05:02 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Paulwa_dup1
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There are some who see in the scriptures that those who have never heard of Jesus will be judged by their own conscience on judgement day when they meet Jesus, Peaches. Judgement will be totally fair. I believe this too.
Starlight, Imagination can be hell...just ask John Lennon. I say this because of what JL lived by. He was an atheist..maybe agnostic..but today..far too late I know he is a 1200 per cent believer!
Have you herd the news about Northern Exposure country today? In Roslyn, Wa. Mostly girl partiers were drugged and sexually assaulted? Around 14 of them all under age. Watch the news.
Paul
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#193853 - 10/09/10 05:49 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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flicka
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..but today..far too late I know he is a 1200 per cent believer!
You do not know that it was "far too late". You cannot know that. You are human and can only think human things. You do not know how others will be judged no matter how much you think you do.
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#193857 - 10/09/10 08:18 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Lola
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paul, as i have seen, you believe the only way to heaven is accepting jesus as saviour and lord... sooooooooooo... a person can be an asshole, jerk their whole life but if in their death bed they accept jesus, they are going to heaven?
a buddhist, muslim, wiccan who have been very nice their whole life, helped others, etc is doomed to go to hell. is that what you believe?
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#193858 - 10/09/10 08:25 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Deo
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Believe it, Ghandi was posessed by demons who used him up and then tossed him out like yesterday's garbage.
If you think that the devil does not use "humane acts" and seemingly Christ like ideals to promote his agenda then you must also be insane.
Why is it that persons of strong faith tend to be the first to judge?
Isn't that going against the central tenet of the sermon of the mount.
Good grief man do you know anything about Ghandi?
A visit to a psychiatrist might be in order.
Deo
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#193859 - 10/10/10 07:19 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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This implies that there is only one kind of gnosis (knowing) - the religious kind. That's one person's opinion,'and if it brings you true peace and serenity then I'm glad for you. But knowing the creator can take another form entirely - studying his creation; the glories of the entire universe. This means that your mindset is that the best way to know the creator is to become as knowledgeable about nature and science as possible. Unfortunately this approach to gnosis is difficult and requires constant study, while the religious gnosis is very simple and nearly effortless. IMO that's the reason it's more popular and forms the basis of most religions, while scientific gnosis is far less common. Given a choice, most folks take the easy way out. I like this approach to religion and try to follow it myself: http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/welcome_home/
Implies?
I posted the poem because it reached a part of my core beliefs while reading it and i think it most beautiful and serene and I didn't consider that anyone would take it as a means of debating/arguing gnostism or gnostic this or that, but clearly you have effectively confused me with your post and I believe you've dismissed it's implication meant by me. I'm not even sure that I have an understanding of the word gnostic....I thought all readers of my post would enjoy what was there so by implying the original poem or the internet poster before me who shared the poem was implying anything is beyond me. You've lost its meaning on me with your scientific gnosis mentioning ( nature/naturalistic gnosis?). But since you are deliniating between forms of knowledge then explain your understanding of the word gnostic and/or gnostism for me, please.
Edited by ævory (10/10/10 07:21 AM)
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#193860 - 10/10/10 10:20 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
[Re: Deo]
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ronniechoate34
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Believe it, Ghandi was posessed by demons who used him up and then tossed him out like yesterday's garbage.
If you think that the devil does not use "humane acts" and seemingly Christ like ideals to promote his agenda then you must also be insane.
Why is it that persons of strong faith tend to be the first to judge?
Isn't that going against the central tenet of the sermon of the mount.
Good grief man do you know anything about Ghandi?
A visit to a psychiatrist might be in order.
Deo
John:7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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#193863 - 10/10/10 01:37 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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flicka
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Matthew 7:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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#193865 - 10/10/10 02:53 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Paulwa_dup1
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No Lola. I think if a person has been bad all their lives or done tremendous sins and harmed other people they will not have any thoughts about Jesus or salvation even on their death bed. Just my opinion, but God says if you harden your heart for too long a time then you cannot even feel the drawing of the Holy Spirit, which is required for salvation. Many atheists and such attempt to use the argument you posed to discredit christianity and Gods' morality. Not true!
Paul
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#193866 - 10/10/10 02:56 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Paulwa_dup1
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The bible, Flicka, says if you reject the deity and salvation of Jesus you will go to hades. John Lennon by his own words did this and I can not think he went anywhere but hades on his death. I would be happy to find out otherwise though.
Paul
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#193868 - 10/10/10 03:13 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ronniechoate34
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Luke:12:54: And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.
Luke:12:55: And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
Luke:12:56: Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
Luke:12:57: Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?
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#193870 - 10/10/10 03:29 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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flicka
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Luke 6:
37 ¶ Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
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#193871 - 10/10/10 03:31 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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flicka
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The bible, Flicka, says if you reject the deity and salvation of Jesus you will go to hades.
May I see that in context?
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#193873 - 10/10/10 03:38 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Paulwa_dup1
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Jesus is the only name under heaven whereby men may be saved. Without Him there is only death and the grave..or hades. You can find the scriptures if you are interested Flicka.
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