#195939 - 12/03/10 07:26 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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Why the obsession with me?
I was only expecting (should have known better...i know) to hear how my thoughts with this post, which was at least a week and a half after Everyone was finished with the thread here:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I know many Christians who make an effort to live up to the model of Jesus, but I've also met many who fit this quote perfectly. It's the main reason why, even though I have deep respect for Jesus and try to use him as my role model, I refuse to call myself a Christian. I don't see that you do have that respect for Jesus. I do not blame Christianity (THE FAITH) for the actions of Christians (people who practise Christianity....why? because every one of us are fallable), and to call oneself a Christian, he or she would naturally be of the faith of Christianity. You refuse to call yourself a Christian because you do not believe in the faith of Christianity. You don't believe in Jesus.
that is....How the original poster considered my thoughts to his thread starter. But I should have known that after a week and a half of EVERYone else being thru with it, that aevory would stir up a hornet full of others' remarks with her own. NOT because it was so controversial or jackass-i-ness a response, but rather JUST BECAUSE IT WAS AEVORY and there has always been so many with a bug up their ass about aevory's posts.  talk about freaking obsessed. so don't give me that bullshit cus i can blow it over the top of your head and find it on your backside before you can say: ahhh...whas up [WTF]. alright?
Now, since the one whose skin is so tough....as is mentioned in His signature line, failed to address or take up the thoughts of debate there that I had in quoted post here....And is accepted by the lemmings as being ultra wise and respectable with his :well, ah, that's why I won't call myself a christian...and yuck, those christians, they're such an example of greed, hate, bigotry, egoists, hypocrits, liars, cheaters, Indian-givers...yada yada ---only having an issue with MY posts you see why I really don't take you, ink, as 'for real'. And it shows just how unable the original poster is able to take on a challenge.
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#195940 - 12/03/10 07:27 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I know many Christians who make an effort to live up to the model of Jesus, but I've also met many who fit this quote perfectly. It's the main reason why, even though I have deep respect for Jesus and try to use him as my role model, I refuse to call myself a Christian. I don't see that you do have that respect for Jesus. I do not blame Christianity (THE FAITH) for the actions of Christians (people who practise Christianity....why? because every one of us are fallable), and to call oneself a Christian, he or she would naturally be of the faith of Christianity. You refuse to call yourself a Christian because you do not believe in the faith of Christianity. You don't believe in Jesus.
Great post, avory, really! kudos, girl! 
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#195942 - 12/03/10 08:05 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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Paulwa_dup1
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Great post, Ronda, Kudos...but I think Ghoti is on his own path and the bible is only one book of many on his library shelf. :-)
Paul
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#195945 - 12/03/10 11:06 PM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ronniechoate34
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I know many Christians who make an effort to live up to the model of Jesus, but I've also met many who fit this quote perfectly. It's the main reason why, even though I have deep respect for Jesus and try to use him as my role model, I refuse to call myself a Christian. I don't see that you do have that respect for Jesus. I do not blame Christianity (THE FAITH) for the actions of Christians (people who practise Christianity....why? because every one of us are fallable), and to call oneself a Christian, he or she would naturally be of the faith of Christianity. You refuse to call yourself a Christian because you do not believe in the faith of Christianity. You don't believe in Jesus. Great post, avory, really! kudos, girl!
Yes, it was a good post.
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#195946 - 12/04/10 06:16 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ghoti
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Ronda, I don't understand what exactly you find confusing about my position. I believe in ONE creator, not a trinity of gods. I believe Jesus was a man who was given an important message to us from the creator, and I have great respect for him and that message.
IMO that message was that we should show kindness and compassion to each other instead of pursuing revenge and greed. I do my poor best to try to follow that, since I believe it's the key to making the world a better place.
I consider myself an admirer and follower of Jesus as a bearer of that message but I don't worship him as a god. What's so hard to understand about that?
Yours very truly,
Snide old bastard
Ronda, if that doesn't explain my beliefs adequately to you then IMO you're just being obtuse. I'm not affiliated with any group but if I had to make a choice I'd probably fit in most closely with these folks::
http://www.deism.com/deism_defined.htm
Or maybe these:
http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/welcome_home/
Take the time to look over these two websites and maybe you'll finally get where I'm coming from.
Yours very truly,
Snide old bastard
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#195947 - 12/04/10 06:44 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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Thank you, ronnie. I'm my own judge of what I think I've ever posted on this board as being good and I think they are few and far between. I get tired just thinking. Just thinking. Let alone trying to communicate this way..thru internet. But then, thru conversation off the net, I have trouble putting things into sense for others, too. I unashamedly admit that.
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#195948 - 12/04/10 06:58 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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Ghoti, I have often come upon both those links here that you posted. Yes, both I have gone to and on more than one occasion. I don't mind you posting those links as often as you do, either. I don't find that I like what I read on them...parts possibly, but some things for sure I dont'. They give me a bad vibe. JMO
I'd rather understand you from right here with what you post. For instance:
What makes science great is that it's self-correcting. How do you suppose all the fakers got revealed?
No individual scientific report or theory is ever fully accepted until it has been checked and duplicated by a large number of fellow researchers. Only things that have been thoroughly corroborated are accepted, otherwise it's rejected.
Someone can try to get away with submitting falsified data or a bogus theory, but they will quickly be revealed and outed, and that person's reputation within the scientific community will be destroyed forever. Creationists find that out whenever they try to submmit bogus reports supporting the completely disproven "young earth" concept.
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I have this to say:
The theory that there could be intelligent life on Mars started with the lines drawn which were accepted as being canals…
The theory was accepted for decades by men/women who placed their faith in those who were more knowledgable in those areas…scientists, researchers, astronomers, etc. Of course not everyone accepted it but by and large a great number of people did.
Did the authorities of those theories and theories like them all get outted or revealed? I dunno. But I do know that this statement that only things that have been thoroughly corroborated are accepted, otherwise it’s rejected is incorrect.
People accept things by authority and without absolute evidence all the time. That’s what they did back then with the Mars theory, for just one. Theories today are accepted all the time…..they are corroborated and accepted not necessarily by proof but on authority.
My thoughts are that those who can’t let others express their opinions about the Bible do so because they basically cannot believe that the Bible is Written. It is Done. It is the authority and that is what is hard for those types of people to accept; in my opinion, especially those of scientific mind. It’s like a ‘closed’ book to them because it IS the Written Word. That makes some people uncomfortable. And that is “why” they dig around and try to find something in it that doesn’t jive with it. Humans should have authority, not a book! Is their idea.
You would never have any peace if people all went around dissing what is found to be true by scientists from the moment they claim a find. Would you? Something gets corroborated either by the evidence or by a union of acceptance that some authority knows what they are talking about. It would be chaos, otherwise, and nothing and no one would ever be satisfied. People change their eating habits for decades because of some scientific evidence/research that gets accepted (or scares people into changing) is presented to them………………..and later, it turns out not to be the case.
With the Bible, it is the Word. And either you believe or you don’t. People don’t accept things from the Bible all the time but the reasons ….that is where you have to look at yourself….the “reasons” for going to the Bible or to any place that is open to discussion of the Bible….should be for understanding of the Bible. To know it better, not to find corruption in it. Not to try to use what you find to destroy another’s faith. That is just chaos.
I guess maybe I don’t understand. But those are my thoughts. And I think they are valid. Express your own, everyone, and I’ll read them. Or don’t. ~ronda
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#195949 - 12/04/10 07:06 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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I, also, am not affiliated with any group. I've never thought *of myself* as being a Christian. I never thought that it was a dirty word or anything...but to think about calling myself one gave thoughts of being too severe. Maybe I DID use to have some thoughts about Christians as being too pushy or too strong a thing there....
I went thru the stage in highschool (very short stage) of hanging with the Bible thumpers, going to church with them, etc. Didn't take me anywhere of permanence, faith-wise, but I still remember vividly what took place for me when I did.
I drank, lots....lots...end of highschool and thru my early 20's. Prayed to God for change. Prayed for drastic change. At 23 broke my neck playing around on a cliff and water one weekend. Still no real change in my faith.
My faith, though, I know, HAS grown...right along, thru every day I've lived. And I love the Lord with all my heart. This forum is disheartening. Not to read the things which Are debated but the things which are not debate-worthy stuff. anyway...someone else post, I will back off a bit.
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#195950 - 12/04/10 07:13 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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It's better to observe than to be observed. That's why we all hate to have another express what they observe about us. ha! No, ghoti...I am not being obtuse. Have not been obtuse with you.
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#195951 - 12/04/10 07:51 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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LOL... Wow aevory, obsess much?...
The only thing you left out is that you want him to take you over his knee and spank you while telling you how much of a bad girl you've been... or maybe the other way around?...
If it had not occured to you before, this is an OPEN FORUM... This means ANYONE (you, me, them) is free to post what they feel compelled to (freedom of speech, yay!)... The whole point to this is to have a dialogue share and discuss our differences... These differences are what challenge us to see our world and, pehaps, ourselves from a different point of view... Just as your signature says, "Know MORE --it's harder for others to lie to you / Know LITTLE - it's easier for others to lie to you"... Which again talks the talk, but your reactions prove you won't, don't, or can't walk the walk... Not my ego, just a blatant observation for all to see...
Inevitably anyone who posts is going to write something that may offend or disagree with another's opinion, that's just the nature of the beast... If you don't wish to risk having your perspective challenged by outside observers, then don't post, stay away, and stick to private emails with those who are likeminded... Not really that hard to do...
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IMO Merry, flicka and ghoti are among the most even keeled, moderate, and secure in their beliefs on this board... You may be different in "real life", but based purely on your posts, you most definantly come across as a fundamentalist (as do Paulwa and ronnie), as you three are always much too eager to "prove" your faith rather than able to speak of it with ease... But that's okay!... As long as it works for you, cool... It just doesn't for others (obviously)...
Again, just my opinion and observation...
I come across as a fundamentalist? Do I really? I can say that I sure didn't care for porno on the Relationships & Wheels forum...which is why I'd sometimes give a hoot and hollar when matissee would post or sometimes even the devo stuff..their pics, which, were'nt necessarily bare butts or such but scantily dressed...so I'd express myself (ashamedly) in the manner in which those on This forum express themselves with their outbursts of 'nondebateable' words...you know, stuff like 'idiot thing to say you bigot!" or a picture of Jesus in some grotesque manner of computer-digitized-manipulated manner fit for fun for those with no taste for religion or faith, whatsoever. It's bad form and doesn't make yourself feel good doing it but it is freedom of expression.
And how about that freedom of expression, inkie (I'm not sure who you were here before you became inkblister on PQ) but even Wabi would say that he realized later that my hounding him on the whole devo stuff was cus I wanted to know in an intellectual manner how it all came about and why it exists. BUT,...now, we all know how that went. A bunch of those old posters, here, got together and made a pact about not saying anything more about the devo stuff. That was while I was making my move to CA. So when I got around to making it back to the site...already a done deal. Dont talk to me about freedom of expression cus I know how it works in these parts.
In many ways I HAVE seen myself align myself with the fundamentalists -of the board- in several ways....but the differences? ---> I don't think I could articulate ...just know, I am not a fundamentalist. I've told my family in real life that I've been called that on this board...oh the laugh! And how I detest another poster who use to always say "Well, I know so-and-so in my real life, so he/she can vouch for me on that!" ----which is also why I disliked the whole thread starter thing about "ARE YOU REAL" by matissee. Who gives a crap, on a board, if you have been seen in the flesh by another on this board. ...........but I'm gonna pull that card now and say that if you spoke with one of the VERY well respected old posters of this board about whether or not I was a fundamentalist, well, that idea would be nipped in the bud.
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#195952 - 12/04/10 08:02 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ghoti
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Ronda, you are confusing what the MEDIA reports about science with the attitude that scientists themselves take. The media (newspapers, TV, movies, novels, etc.) often seizes on something a scientists says and splashes it all over the place when it's far from accepted professionally by other scientists.
The canals of Mars are a perfect example. Percival Lowell wrote a book about his observations of Mars and he had maps showing canals. I actually read his original book many years ago. He speculated in that book that this might be evidence of intelligent life there.
Other astronomers turned their telescopes toward Mars in an attempt to confirm his observations but the images were too fuzzy to be sure so there were immediate doubts. As telescopes got better and better through the early and middle twentieth century no one could see canals and by the time I read Lowell's book in the early 1960's no serious astronomer still believed there were canals there.
Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on Lowell:
His works include a detailed description of what he termed the 'non-natural features' of the planet's surface, including especially a full account of the 'canals,' single and double; the 'oases,' as he termed the dark spots at their intersections; and the varying visibility of both, depending partly on the Martian seasons. He theorized that an advanced but desperate culture had built the canals to tap Mars' polar ice caps, the last source of water on an inexorably drying planet.[8]
While this idea excited the public, the astronomical community was skeptical. Many astronomers could not see these markings, and few believed that they were as extensive as Lowell claimed. As a result, Lowell and his observatory were largely ostracized.[9] Although the consensus was that some actual features did exist which would account for these markings,[10] in 1909 the sixty-inch Mount Wilson Observatory telescope in Southern California allowed closer observation of the structures Lowell had interpreted as canals, and revealed irregular geological features, probably the result of natural erosion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival_Lowell
Unfortunately, the media kept hyping the idea of life on Mars but never reported about how skeptical most serious scientists were about this. That's happened with lots of other things, and is why a person shouldn't trust the popular media to report accurately on scientific findings. It's FAR better to look at what publications like National Geographic, Scientific American, or textbooks on the subject have to say instead.
You see the same things today in movies about people traveling through hyperspace, black holes, and wormholes. These things are EXTREMELY speculative and serious scientists have major doubts that such things are possible, but if you get your science from movies you might think they were proven facts.
Sorry for such a long post, but I think your question deserved a thorough reply.
Very truly yours,
Snide old bastard
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#195953 - 12/04/10 08:41 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ghoti
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BTW, Ronda, you say you've "often" seen the links I posted about Deism and the Church of Reality. Maybe so, but not from me.
I was having a discussion with Dayvd a few years back. He wanted to know more details about my beliefs so I posted that link about Deism, but that was the only time I recall.
I've probably posted the link to the Church of reality 2-3 times before, but it was almost certainly in discussions I was having with others. I'm pretty sure I've never put those links in a post directly to you ever before.
I guess I should be flattered that you've been reading my posts so thoroughly over the years that you remember those links, but it's annoying when you then compain about it back to me.
Very truly yours,
Snide old bastard
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#195954 - 12/04/10 08:41 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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Long before the book, I was talking about earlier in history. The 'word' channels was changed to canals. That gave a whole different spin on things and for a long time it was acceptable to believe that there could be, and many thought were, intelligent life on Mars.
With the changing of a 'word'...is, if you read my post of recent, is what I emphasized. Just as you would debate over the Bible being a book and not acceptable for belief because so many had changed a word or words and yada yada.....i used the same method of 'scratching my head and saying....' to that of which the authorities of the day had to say....I used equal debate tactic in attacking (if you want to use that word) science and astronomy, etc..... You can blame media if you'd like. I don't see it that way.
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#195955 - 12/04/10 08:59 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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I was having a discussion with Dayvd a few years back. He wanted to know more details about my beliefs so I posted that link about Deism, but that was the only time I recall.
Very truly yours,
Snide old bastard
You recall incorrectly. But then I won't argue it and I'm sure others will back you up on it. Something, I've never backed down on before, either, is the numbers of posters who piled on another. I simply tired of it - most games played get tiring. Numbers don't mean anything to me when it comes to this board stuff.
Nope, it's been recently and scattered along the times of my reading you...which, is years. Did I read you religiously, no. You are correct to say that you did not direct a post to me in my name with your links. You could argue that I read you religiously, now...and why not --> I said I was bugged. it happens...it happened with you (and others) because of constantly coming here to read the harping on 'one' individual. so....yeah, i came to their defense..plus, I've read them from the way way way back and was always a friend.
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#195956 - 12/04/10 08:59 AM
Re: Gandhi quote
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ævory
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done for while
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