#192964 - 09/22/10 12:33 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Paulwa_dup1
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No I did not but this Cordova Mosque is a deliberate gleeful point for Islamists. It is not just a place for them to worship.
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#192967 - 09/22/10 12:45 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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The Mosque better disappear with the hub bub too!
Is this meant to be a threat? Islamic people would very likely take it that way.
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#192978 - 09/22/10 01:28 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Paulwa_dup1
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So the way Americans take their slap doesn't matter? Foreign religion of our enemy extremists is more important than Christianity? Where is your loyalties, Ghoti? You don't have to be a christian to be American but Islam is the religion of our enemies,is that more important than Americanism?
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#192980 - 09/22/10 01:50 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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Cordova to Muslims means putting up a Mosque where they defeated Spanish catholic population in Spain as a proof of conquest. That is what I have heard and I think it is true
Alright, I've done a little research into this and now know where you 'heard' it. Sorry, Paul, I think this woman is a dangerous fruitcake.
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#192981 - 09/22/10 01:53 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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You don't have to be a christian to be American
Correct. In fact, 7 million of our citizens are Muslim.
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#192984 - 09/22/10 02:10 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Greg
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Bush and your gov't did you guys no favour in painting 9/11 as a holy war against Islam. It was a terrorist attack by a bunch of Saudis, whose leader was pissed off about American intervention in the middle east. The Islamist angle was a recruitment rallying cry that the US bought into and as a result elevated Al Qada to a another level.
Just look at what your stuck with now!
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#192985 - 09/22/10 02:21 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Paulwa_dup1
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I still think the mosque is a nefarious Islamist scheme at one upping America. Very most likley.
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#192987 - 09/22/10 02:25 PM
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Greg
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And I think you believe that because you watch way too much unfair and unbalanced Fox News.
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#192989 - 09/22/10 02:34 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Paulwa_dup1
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I can see why you would see Fox as unfair and unbalanced but I see it as the most accurate of all of them. You have an opposing view. I don't.
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#192995 - 09/22/10 03:34 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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Bush and your gov't did you guys no favour in painting 9/11 as a holy war against Islam.
To GW's credit, his only close call was one use of the word "crusade". Other than that, he did a remarkable job not pushing the 'God' factor.
Rumsfeld was a different matter.
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#192997 - 09/22/10 03:38 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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I still think the mosque is a nefarious Islamist scheme at one upping America. Very most likley.
If no one knew about this Cordoba conspiracy symbolism, would it still mean they "one-upped" US?
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#192998 - 09/22/10 04:01 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Greg
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Bush and your gov't did you guys no favour in painting 9/11 as a holy war against Islam. To GW's credit, his only close call was one use of the word "crusade". Other than that, he did a remarkable job not pushing the 'God' factor.
Unless you're talking to foreign leaders. No wonder you guys ended up in Iraq.
Bush 2003:
WASHINGTON–George W. Bush comes to Toronto today bedevilled by fresh questions about whether the former U.S. president felt the hand of God driving his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bush, a born-again Christian since age 40, arrives for today's paid speaking engagement at Metro Toronto Convention Centre with fellow former president Bill Clinton amid a series of stranger-than-fiction disclosures, one of which suggests that apocalyptic fervour may have held sway within the walls of his White House.
Bush, who turns 63 in July and was 54 when first sworn into office in 2001, has yet to comment on the reports. They include last week's GQ magazine exposé into the hawkish use of scripture in 2003, when then-defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld forwarded secret intelligence memos to Bush embroidered with biblical passages.
"Therefore, put on the full armour of God," a verse from Ephesians, and "Open the gates that the righteous nation may enter," from Isaiah, are among the messages that adorn reports prepared for Bush by Rumsfeld's Pentagon.
Stranger still are new accounts emerging from France describing how former president Jacques Chirac was utterly baffled by a 2003 telephone conversation in which Bush reportedly invoked fanatical Old Testament prophecy – including the Earth-ending battle with forces of evil, Gog and Magog – in his arguments to enlist France in the Coalition of the Willing.
"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins," Bush said to Chirac, according to Thomas Romer, a University of Lausanne theology professor who was later approached by French officials anxious to understand the biblical reference. Romer first revealed his account in a 2007 article for the university review, Allez savoir, which passed largely unnoticed.
Chirac, in a new book by French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, is quoted as confirming the surreal conversation, saying he was stupefied by Bush's reference to biblical prophecy and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs."
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/642352
Paul can probably gives us the low down on Gog and Magog
Edited by Greg (09/22/10 04:05 PM)
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#192999 - 09/22/10 04:11 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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Incredibly, I am not willing to believe former French President Chirac over GW Bush. Hard to believe, I know...
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#193000 - 09/22/10 04:18 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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Greg
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From a Bush speech:
Presented this "murderous ideology" of Islamic radicals "the great challenge of our new century."
Distinguished it from the religion of Islam.
Drew parallels between radical Islam and communism (both are elitist, cold-blooded, totalitarian, disdainful of free peoples, and fatefully contradictory), then noted in how many ways the
U.S. war on radical Islam "resembles the struggle against communism in the last century."
Pointed out the three-step Islamist drive to power: ending Western influence in the Muslim world, gaining control of Muslim governments, and establishing "a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia."
Explained the "violent, political vision" of radical Islam as comprising an agenda "to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation."
Defined its ultimate goal: "to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world."
Observed that Muslims themselves have the burden of doing the "most vital work" to fight Islamism.
Called on "all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing" this ideology and taking steps against it.
the speech:
http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/speeches/10.06.05.html
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#193001 - 09/22/10 04:23 PM
Re: GZM ...Elsewhere, Not Here!
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flicka
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I'd like to read the speech. Do you know which one it was?
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