There ain't NO fear, liberals.

It is you 'using' the fear label. simple...because your liberal minds 'see' your view as being just and 'fair' you imPose the labeling=FEAR. over & again

There ain't NO fear, liberals.

CONQUERED AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!

OK I won't be here but go ahead and let them build their damned mosque and then you can sit back biting your lips in pain with a breaking heart when sharia law is finally brought across this once free land.

Oh yeah, there is. But the fear is based on ignorance and lies, so I can understand why you're afraid. It's common to hate and fear that which you don't understand.

Read the source of the title 'Cordova' in spain.

Read the source of the title 'Cordova' in spain. That is what the radicals are trying to achieve in America using our own constitution to do it under our noses. Ain't we stupid to be helping them!

Ignorance is so rampant amongst Islamist supporters but truth will out even for Flicka and MerryA. :-)
Paul

Ignorance is so rampant amongst Islamist supporters but truth will out even for Flicka and MerryA. :-)

What do you suppose Native Americans said about these different colored people bringing a strange religion with them and trying to make them follow it eventually.

That is what I have heard and I think it is true that this is what it means to Muslims and that s why they want toput up a Cordova Mossque or building in New ork City where they took down our symbol of commerce and capitalism as such, the Twin Towers.

The Mosque better disappear with the hub bub too!

Cordova to Muslims means putting up a Mosque where they defeated Spanish catholic population in Spain as a proof of conquest. That is what I have heard and I think it is true

You don't have to be a christian to be American

Bush and your gov't did you guys no favour in painting 9/11 as a holy war against Islam.

I still think the mosque is a nefarious Islamist scheme at one upping America. Very most likley.

To GW's credit, his only close call was one use of the word "crusade". Other than that, he did a remarkable job not pushing the 'God' factor.

From a Bush speech:

Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism. Whatever it's called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam. This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment, by terrorism and subversion and insurgency, of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against Christians and Jews and Hindus -- and also against Muslims from other traditions, who they regard as heretics.

Third, the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia. With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation.

oh and btw since we're discussing Bushisms how do win a war on terrorism? since the US can't stand losing how do you define the victory? (paraphrased from a Bill Msher interview)

Muslims would know so my answer is yes, most certainly!

Read the speech again...

Bush and your gov't did you guys no favour in painting 9/11 as a holy war against Islam.

you can parse Bush's words all you like but he painted this a religous conflict

If only the "war on terror" could be discussed in a more objective manner. So the US is completely blameless and has clean hands and was attacked without provocation of anyone or any group?

So the US is completely blameless

I'm not sure where you got that from in these forums and I sincerely hope you are not projecting.

Islam has some major PR problems as of late. Look at what is going on in Europe, and get back to me. The "Western mind" doesn't understand removing the clitoris, honor killings, draping your females in the family from head to toe in a tent as to not "excite" other Muslims males, I get that.

But why should we? We either remove ourselves from the world stage and shrug our shoulders when it comes to global women's rights, freedom, and the like, or try to do something else. What that something else should be, is of much debate...I get that. The US has a tendency to overreach.

A question then, Iran is a problem for Israel, other ME countries, India and if you believe the rhetoric a problem for many more countries around the world.

Since sanctions have not slowed down Iran and Israel threats have made little difference could you support unilateral action (either direct military strikes or miltary enforced blockade) being taken by the USA?

Different Gods and no 1 up for you.:-)

If it makes you happy Flicka, but note I totally disagree.

They left the God of the bible when they took on the Koran and the moon god of Islam.

Mohammed took them away from the God of the bible substituting the moon god as the god of the koran.

I have never called Islam's allah a sun god. Everyone knows he is the moon god of the Arabs and that is why there is a crescent moon on top of every mosque in the world. Better look again.

God chose the Jews as His people and He wrote the bible through His people. True they don't recognize Jesus as Messiah yet(they are under covenant to God Himself) but they will in time.

Exactly, Jesus fills the bill in every way. They are looking for a Messiah, they just don't realize that they will look on Him whom they pierced as their Messiah.

It is just the way I feel and see it by the word of God. Along with multitudinous others of the same frame of mind.

As long as they build away from ground zero it is ok.

Well, guess what, Paul... The 'mosque' is already operating. According to 60 Minutes, the prayer room has been open for months and hundreds of Muslims use the building for prayers everyday.

HAHA!

Pray wherever they like as long as they don't put up that huge building with the crescent moon on top. Yes a part of the airplane did crash into this building tying it to ground zero forever! They can pray wherever they like as long as they don't prey on America!
Paul

wherever did you get the idea that it was going to be a "huge building with the crescent moon on top"?

As long as they build away from ground zero it is ok. They say ground zero is not hallowed ground because of strip clubs and such but our strip clubs are more hallowed than any Muslim religion or mosque IMO.

Pray wherever they like as long as they don't put up that huge building with the crescent moon on top.

Maybe up to now they have been covert in their operation but when they feel they have gained enough ground guess what?

But that is not likely to happen as as God says they are ferocious wild donkeys! The descendants of Ishmael.

Ferocious wild donkeys believe in anything but the God Israel believes in else there would be no anmosity or fighting between them.

Why do you make it your mission to try and discredit another person's beliefs and faith?

Why do you make it your mission to try and discredit another person's beliefs and faith?

I'm defending my own.

Like you did with Michelle?

Impressive, wasn't it? =)

It had nothing to do with defense of your beliefs though which impeaches you.

by explaining how the religon of your parents decide whether or not a person can be considered a "real Jew"?

an understandable defense of YOUR Jewish faith and beliefs?

The line you remember was me pointing out to Michele that only children who have a Jewish mother are born with a "birthright".

Your comments I suspect had more to do with payback for mic's claiming your dimished capacity due to your past lifestyle rather than a defense of your beliefs.

Unless you can find the thread I'll stick with my original opinion.

Also in terms of the matriarcal claim, originally patriarcal descent was the dominating "birthright".

Interesting in your discussion with Michelle this was never mentioned. Afterall if it had been the ambush, gotcha or 1-uping as you call it wouldn't have worked. But since when is an informed opinion important?

There are those who see Judaism uniquely as maternal in descent, "matriarchal descent" as you noted. This follows Jewish law of the past 2000 years. It does seem that before then it was "patriarchal descent" and we don't really know why there was a change.

Rabbis of the first 200 years of the Common Era (0-200 CE or AD) saw how many children were being born of rape, slavery and all forms of sexual abuse of Jewish women. In an act of compassion, and working within the Roman concept of citizenship, they made the law accept the child of a Jewish mother as a Jew by birth. So, what began as compassion and inclusiveness and leniency "then" has made a situation today that they could never contemplate - an open society in which Jews could marry non-Jews - a complicated situation if not a crisis for the family.

So, what began as compassion and inclusiveness and leniency...

Why do you make it your mission to try and discredit another person's beliefs and faith?

Impressive, wasn't it? =)

All that mumbo jumbo is secondary to the issue I raised. When you start going after someone's core beliefs you might as well go after their family.

You frame it as an intellectual exchanging of ideas and maybe in your mind you remember it that way. If that is what it had been then it would not have stuck with me.

After this long it isn't difficult to see when you’re setting someone up and in the case of that discussion it was aimed squarely at Michelle's pride in being Jewish. Just like your signature once you clamped onto her throat and started shaking you weren’t about to stop. I guess you saw it as a righteous kill.

That discussion was from:
Ask Rabbi Lerner
Daughter of Jewish Father and Catholic Mother

"There are Jews who feel that it is a blood issue, and they refuse to accept converts to Judaism because they weren't "born" into the Jewish People. Similarly, your father believes that he has given you Jewish blood and no one can take it away. In both cases, I respectfully disagree; Judaism is a religion, a community of faith and identity, and it has nothing to do with "Jewish blood."

If your daughters are truly searching to become Jewish, you and they need to have the above facts and information in hand and consider it seriously. We would welcome you. If you wish to be Jewish and identified as a Jew, I'd urge you to speak with a Rabbi directly and deal with the details with him/her. Please let me know the closest communities/cities to you and I am certain to know the right Rabbi to whom to refer you for a personal relationship.

Whenever I dealt with such a circumstance - and by the 80's and 90's it was very frequent - I would urge a visit to the mikveh, the Jewish equivalent of "immersion" or full body baptism; it is the ancestor of what Christianity created as baptism. In this fashion, there could be no question in the minds of anyone as to the authenticity of identity as a Jew. It isn't as much a conversion as a confirmation of Jewish identity. "

Wow! You were impressed. I just had no idea how much.

certain moments connect with me and if weren't for the a-holes here who choose to use personal comments against a person I might explain further

You were the a-hole that brought this very old personal comment of mine back to life. Are you trying to use it against me?

you call your discussion with michelle personal comment?

No, my discussion with Michele was a discussion. Your memory of one line in that discussion, taken completely out of context, is obviously something you consider a "personal comment" of some sort since it "connected" with you...even though you didn't remember the discussion at all.

one line? it went on and on, if it had just been one line or described in the way you are now trying to portray it would have just been another silly religious discussion,

I retained what was importent.

The line here at NM between politics and religon is crossed so often that labelling a discussion one type or another is laughable especially when you get into something like Jewish birthright.