#192557 - 09/13/10 05:57 AM
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ævory
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Fundamentalists – Islamic and Christian – they all fear vaginas
April 20th, 2010 by VinceWade1
The war against Al Qaeda, the war against the Taliban, the war against an alphbet soup of Islamic terrorists who view Christians as Infidels…why is there this Big Struggle between the fundamentalists of Islam and Christianity? They are a lot alike. Both fear vaginas.
In case you haven’t noticed, religious fundamentalists of all stripes tend to be more alike than different. Their bedrock belief that their religion is the only true faith is a trait they have in common. The notion that a Supreme Being might accept homage from a infinite number of earthly religions is an alien concept to them. By the reasoning of some Christian fundamentalists Mohandas Ghandi (Mohandas was his given name, Mahatma was a title of respect), one of the most morally principled and spiritual men of modern history, is doomed to hell because he wasn’t “saved” by being “born again.” But as someone noted, what should we expect from people who vehemently dismiss the idea that we evolved from a lower life form yet accept without question the biblical assertion that we came from dirt?
Something else religious fundamentalists have in common is fear of the mysterious power of vaginas to threaten male dominance and control. Virtually every major religion in the world is ruled by men. Mythology and folk tales through history and throughout the world feature magical or virgin births. It’s a way to deny that the belief systems’ principal character was conceived through the carnal penetration of a penis into a vagina.
It’s no secret that men crave the delight and powerfully intense satisfaction of those warm, moist, tantalizing crevices. Just ask Tiger Woods. Or Bill Clinton. Or Jimmy Swaggart. But that’s precisely the issue. Men both famous and not-so-famous have lost control when succumbing to womanly charms. Earthly organized religion – not to be confused with real spiritual belief – is largely about control through unquestioned obedience. Since countless males throughout human history have been known to succumb to the temptations of the tender trap, it makes a certain kind of sense that behavior control freaks such as religious fundamentalists would want to degrade and marginalize something that has such powerful control over the population with external plumbing. The business of religion is controlling the souls and wallets of men. Sex is competition for that control, and for the contents of the wallet, so a man’s pubic pursuits must be purified through the prism of the pulpit.
The sex abuse scandals rocking the Roman Catholic Church are partly the result of the hierarchy’s stubborn insistence on priestly celibacy and perpetual secondary roles for women in the organization’s decision-making machinery. Nowhere in the Gospels does Jesus demand priestly celibacy – or male rule. His disciple Peter was a married man. Think Da Vinci Code. Priestly celibacy didn’t become mandatory until centuries after Jesus’ death. A case can be made that the ordained clergy of the Roman Catholic Church is the world’s most powerfrul and enduring males-only club that will fight to the bitter end to keep it that way.
It’s not just a Catholic thing. In a series of investigative TV news stories I did some years ago called “Preying from the Pulpit” I reported the late Baptist fundamentalist preacher Jack Hyles of Indiana was obsessed with the evils of sex in his Sunday sermons, even as his longtime mistress sat behind his pulpit on one side while his wife sat on the other. Moreover, Hyles’ school for young fundamentalists used to put extraordinary focus on pleasures of the flesh by insisting some of the more well-endowed female students must wear Band-Aids over their nipples to avoid inflaming the passions of their fellow “saved” male Christians. Apparently Hyles understood being “saved” is a transitory proposition no matter what you proclaim from the pews on Sunday.
For those who doubt the similarity of sex control urges between fundamentalist Muslims and Christians, I’d invite you to explore their views in the own words. On the Christian side of fundamentalism there is a treatise on The Sumission of the Christian Wife or Submission Is Not a Foul Word or simply, Submit to your Husband.
As for vagina-fearing Muslims, an organization called MEMRI TV is an excellent source of from-the-horse’s-mouth-or-some-other-body-part video clips about the Islamic compulsion to keep women in their place. The clips are culled from Middle East TV so you’ll have to read the subtitles, but reading television has seldom been so interesting.
Echoing Christian fundamentalism, there is the Islamic preacher who says a woman should serve her husband like a maid; a woman’s “strength” (quotes added) lies in her weakness. Then there’s the video to be envied by Christian wife beaters everywhere in which faithful Muslims are advised that if your wife bothers you or annoys you or you simply “suspect something” then beat her - break her head.
All of this may make some wonder if we couldn’t solve the Muslim/Christian conflict that is driving so much military action in today’s world by pushing the politicians aside and having fundamentalist imams and preachers and priests get together to find common ground in denigrating and demeaning women. After, all it is written that it is Somebody-or-Other’s will.
http://www.vincewadeusa.com/?p=74
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#192558 - 09/13/10 06:41 AM
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Ronda I was thinking about this just this morning. Solving the Christian/Muslim conflict bypushing the politicians aside and having fundamentalist imams and preachers and priests get together to find common ground in denigrating and demeaning women
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#192562 - 09/13/10 11:07 AM
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Martin Luther was a chauvinist pig.
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#192565 - 09/13/10 12:40 PM
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Paulwa_dup1
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He was also a bad racist if my facts are right.
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#192570 - 09/13/10 01:18 PM
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ævory
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hmm, rather interesting. I almost Always read all that I post...this one I HAD to read all the way thru. Must be the love of psychology in me. Thanks for reading.
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#192571 - 09/13/10 01:23 PM
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He was also a bad racist if my facts are right.
Father of the holocaust...
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#192596 - 09/13/10 07:18 PM
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I can't understand how any woman could be a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. Have any of you ever read what Paul of Tarsus had to say about the role of women in the New Testament?
Many of the most extreme Christian fundamentalists believe women should be totally subservient to men, and they can produce plenty of Bible passages to support their beliefs.
Edited by ghoti (09/13/10 07:19 PM)
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#192602 - 09/13/10 07:38 PM
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My father pretty much felt that way...at least until all his daughters had a divorce under their belts (two for me). He realized if I had been subservient to my husbands, my children would have starved to death. lol
I honestly do believe, that to a certain extent, a wife should defer to her husband's authority. In my mind, it is better to discuss most differences in private than to argue most things with ones' spouse in public (I have done so, however, depending on the importance of the subject). If I bite my tongue with some things my husband says, I generally understand where he is coming from and the wisdom of his decision. Course...if I don't...we do discuss it later. 
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#192609 - 09/14/10 06:59 AM
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gender is irrelevant to authority, wisdom, understanding. life partners should aim for speedy recognition of who has made the best call...like when vicki says, 'drop it;' she's usually right.
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#192610 - 09/14/10 07:17 AM
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I can't understand how any woman could be a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.
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#192630 - 09/14/10 08:16 PM
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The only way women can prevent being forced into a subservient role in society is if the government intervenes to protect their rights. Women are totally marginalized in pretty much every nation in the world that lacks that protection.
Interesting that the holy books of the Christians, Jews, and Muslims all have a male deity and all disparage the role of women. It's no wonder that Wicca is the fastest growing religion in the US, especially among younger women, since its main deity is female and it heavily emphasizes gender equality.
Edited by ghoti (09/14/10 08:18 PM)
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#192651 - 09/15/10 01:08 PM
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Modern christians view women as equals in rights. In marriage situations men be come head of households but women are equal in everfy respect. Their job is different from man because of child besaring and raising while man takes the role of provider anjd protector, but both are equal in rights. Easrlier cultures such as the Apostle Paul was reared in caused different views in many cases. Christians believe God created women to be help mates to mankind and with real love it works out fine..with sin intrusion you have sharia law and ancient Jewish viewpoints which God abhorred also. There is much we don't understand about ancient cultures but Muslims and others have dragged those sick ways into modern times for us to deal with. Peopler who follow those old ways need to be eliminated from the human race if they cannot be reeducated to moral humannitys ways.
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#192656 - 09/15/10 01:51 PM
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So if "modern" christians can change their views from the bible to see women as equals, why can't the do the same for homosexuals?... Especially since there is significantly more about the degradation and subjugation of women in the bible than there is about homosexuality?...
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#192657 - 09/15/10 01:53 PM
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with sin intrusion you have sharia law and ancient Jewish viewpoints which God abhorred also.
Why did He give such faulty laws to them?
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#192658 - 09/15/10 03:32 PM
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I can't understand how any woman could be a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.
Depends on the way they were brought up as children, I'd guess...
If that's all they know, then that's their comfort zone.
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